WhipTheHip
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ORIGINAL: CrappyDom
Whip,
Your understanding of the ME is so shallow, it boggles the mind. Do you understand the difference between Shia and Sunni?
Can you name a significant Middle East country where we HAVEN'T overthrown a legitimate government?
Can you explain why people should be happy to live under dictators?
Can you explain why they attack us rather than those same dictators if all they want to do is wallow in their own religion?
Can you explain why you consider Muslims so barbaric but give Christians a pass for wiping out entire ethnic groups in Africa and South America?
Lastly as to Iran and the bomb. Explain this...
Atomic bombs are great as threats, if Iran gets one and doesn't use it, we are unlikely to ever invade them. However if they use one on us and wipe out a city or two but leave us essentially intact, later that same day, every square inch of Iran would be radioactive for the next thousand years.
You think they would because THEY are irrational? So seeing that we didn't attack NK who DOES have nuclear weapons, but instead attack Iraq which had nothing to do with 9/11and DIDN'T have nuclear weapons all while calling Saudi Arabia and Pakistan allies, the two countries who funded, manned, and planned 9/11 we are not exactly poster children for rationality. Combine that with the fact that Iran's double agent, Ahmed Chalabi, was able to get us not only stuck in Iraq but to do it in such a way as to launch Iran back into a position of power and influence in the ME, they do seem to have a bit more going for them in the way of rationality.
YMMV
Actually, I have quite a bit of knowledge of the MIddle East. I understand very well the difference between
Shia and Sunni. It was scism that started very early in Islam. Shia Muslims believe in the holiness of
Muhammed's wife and his cousin. There descendents are Imams. Sunni Muslims believe in a succession
of Caliphs that started teaching Islam after Muhammed died. They place different values on different hadiths.
Today's Iraqi Sunnis are more nationalistic than religious. Then of course you have Wahhabi Islam which is
a Sunni fundamentalist type religion. It tries to remove a lot of outside influences from Sunni Islam, and is
very hostile to those who do not accept Allah. Bin Ladin is a Wahabbi Muslim.
Few Middle-East countries have legitimate governments, and to the best of my knowledge the only ME
government we have overthrown belonged to Sadam Hussein.
I never said people should be happy living under dictators. But it is better for us that they do, since they
are filled with nothing but contempt and anger for Israel and the US, and would blindly wage a war
against us both if they were in power.
They do attack their own leaders. Saddat was killed by them. And bin Ladin would kill the King and
princes of Saudi Arabia if he could. They are his main enemies. But he attacks us because he
believe correctly that we support them.
I think Christians have been much more barbaric than Muslim. But today must Western democracies
have gone through 2,000 of relgious wars, and the Christian fanatics have mostly been beaten back.
> Atomic bombs are great as threats, if Iran gets one and doesn't use it, we are unlikely to ever invade them.
But they will use the threat to intimidate other countries in the Middle-East, they will have the power to influence US
elections, they will be able sponsor more terrorism with impugnity, they will be able to minipulate the price of oil,
they will continue their spread of radical Shia Islam where gays are slowly hung, and young grils are lashed to
death for having sex outside of marriage. The spread of fanatical Shia Islam is not a good thing.
They don't have to attack us with nuclear bombs. They can let terrorist steal them and anonymously use them against us.
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