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lxsv21 -> strap on questions (12/27/2004 7:00:08 PM)

i am just wondering how Mistress feel about a male sub that is willing to take a strap on and that thinks hell enjoy it




alwayzron -> RE: strap on questions (12/27/2004 7:07:53 PM)

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that thinks hell enjoy it


Most Dommes I've known could care less if the sub enjoys it or not .... it's not about what the sub enjoys (typically). And now that I've answered a question directed to the Ladies ... I'll quietly go sit in the corner and shut up. [sm=rolleyes.gif]




GoddessJules -> RE: strap on questions (12/27/2004 7:08:30 PM)

Strap-on desires
subs Craving Strap ons and "forced" bi scenes

For starters. . .I'm sure there are more.




noireman -> RE: strap on questions (1/1/2005 1:39:18 PM)

I think anyone involved with a domme/dom who feels that the domme/dom does not care about the subs needs - should go seek another domme/dom. In my years in the lifesyle, I have only come across a few that did not care - those I stayed away from.




BeachMystress -> RE: strap on questions (1/2/2005 1:23:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: noireman

I think anyone involved with a domme/dom who feels that the domme/dom does not care about the subs needs - should go seek another domme/dom. In my years in the lifesyle, I have only come across a few that did not care - those I stayed away from.



I think you misunderstand what ron meant. There is a difference between not caring about a sub and not caring if they like an activity. I adore my sub. His safety and well being mean as much to me as my own does. He is my precious treasure. Let me give you an example from yesterday. I got a large finger of ginger. Due to the way I cut it, I managed to end up with a finger 1 1/4ths inch in diameter and 5 inches long. I shoved a skewer through one end to act as an anchor. My sub is fairly new to anal play. I did have him wear a butt plug for a while prior to this, so he would be a bit prepared. (You can not use lube when inserting ginger, or you stop the effect you're seeking.) I had a wonderful time inserting it and making him keep it up inside of him. Did he like it.. Hell NO. Did I? Hell YES! :-D Do I care he didn't like it? No. I didn't damage him or cause him more than temporary discomfort. Part of being a sub is being used for the pleasure of your Dominant. I used his body how it pleased me. If I am in the mood, I will use ginger again, even knowing he doesn't like it. He will endure it for me. To me that is the nature of the Dom/me and sub relationship.




alwayzron -> RE: strap on questions (1/2/2005 6:15:52 PM)

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Part of being a sub is being used for the pleasure of your Dominant. I used his body how it pleased me.

Beach,

Thank you. You stated exactly what I was trying to say.







nella -> RE: strap on questions (1/3/2005 3:40:22 AM)

Still, there is a difference between acepting whatever a Dom want and never get what you want yourself, it is just that is it not the submissive`s call.

For exmaple, i like anal sex, it might hurt a bit but i still like it, and i can go to my Dom and say, Master, i would realy like some anal sex now, if you dont mind. And he can say yes or no, but often i do get what i want.




ProtagonistLily -> RE: strap on questions (1/3/2005 5:21:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: nella

Still, there is a difference between acepting whatever a Dom want and never get what you want yourself, it is just that is it not the submissive`s call.

For exmaple, i like anal sex, it might hurt a bit but i still like it, and i can go to my Dom and say, Master, i would realy like some anal sex now, if you dont mind. And he can say yes or no, but often i do get what i want.


I agree with this Nella, however, that's where communication comes in. If your Dom/me is doing something that you aren't enjoying, or conversely not enough of what you enjoy, then communicate it. Talk about what you aren't enjoying, why you aren't enjoying it....what ever it takes to make the relationship better. D/s couplings take a lot of communication to work.

There's a big differance for me between a submissive who shows up in my mail box talking about how much he wants me to use a strap on with him, and a submissive I'm playing with who has desires. The submissive who I'm playing with, I have a relationship with, at least on some level. We will have discussed what we both like and frankly, it's absolutely no fun for me if the sub is not enjoying at least some of what I do. However, sometimes wires get crossed in the best of situations. I want a submissive to be able to communicate dislikes with me so that we can talk about the issues. I may have a reason I'm using a particular toy or method, and if a submissive questions these things, then we can talk about why. I may not be eager to change, but at least it will be discussed.

BDSM is ultimately about trust and communication. Without both, you open yourself up to a world of problems. A submissive who trusts selectively is a submissive that's half assed. And I'm not interested in half assed.

Lily




SEPAsubmale -> RE: strap on questions (1/4/2005 11:02:14 AM)

i agree, i do not think it matters if the sub does not like it. If the Mistress does and wants the sub to accept it, he should without question. When i first began to be trained years ago by a Mistress, i had very little experience with strapons. My Mistress enjoyed and believed strap-on training was a part of a subs training, conditioning and sexual behavior modification training. Over time She trained me to enjoy and even grave Her strap-on. She accomplished this through punishment/reward and conditioning. She associated humiliation, punishment and pain with my penis, erections, masturbation and ejaculations. Thinks like, wearing of Kalis cage,, whipping of my penis were my punishment for allowing myself to become excited. When i was permitted to jerk off She required me to eat my cum. i also had to use creams like Ben Gay when masturbating. She would also require me to repeatedly jerk off till i begged to be allowed to stop. This was then followed by weeks of no masturbation, instead She would have me orally serve Her Strapon and then beg Her to please me annally. At first She would allow me to masterbate and stroke my penis while she pumped me with Her strapon. Over time She forbid me to masturbate and even kept my penis a chasitity tube. One day She informed me that from this day forth, i would only be permitted to cum by prostate massaging. At first it was difficult but over time i have learned to like, no love prostate massaging, i now cum this way. And i have come to love my Mistress's strapon because it brings Her and me pleasure. So, as i indicated earlier, through proper training, conditioning and sexual behavior modification, a Mistress can reoriente a sub to enjoy Her strapon.




pantera -> RE: strap on questions (1/17/2005 1:10:07 PM)

I would fall in love - ha! ha!

no, seriously...if I ever got to have a sub in real life, not taking it in the ass from a strap on would NOT be an option...he has to- end of story-


about bi scenarios: I don't know- I would love him to be open to it, but I've never had any gay tendencies and I'm thinking the guy may just be the same way....I would ask him upfront...I would need to know where he stands on it: yes, no, maybe, i hate it but the thought excites me, never...





ProtagonistLily -> RE: strap on questions (1/17/2005 1:56:08 PM)

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Most Dommes I've known could care less if the sub enjoys it or not .... it's not about what the sub enjoys (typically). And now that I've answered a question directed to the Ladies ... I'll quietly go sit in the corner and shut up.


Upfront, your milage may very on what I have to say....

Ok, I wasn't going to say anything on this thread but generalizations just get my dander up.

I, for One, DO care if a sub enjoys something or not. For me, to be playing with a submissive who has no reaction, or isn't enjoying the play on some level, doesn't give anything back to me. I might as well flog my closet door if that's the case....would be more convenient and less maintenence, that's for sure.

I am a real, living, breathing, working, socializing woman. I happen to be a Dominant woman in the sexuality department. However, I am not a sterotypical Domme in the sense that I have no interest in a submissive's feelings or wants/desires. I start with their kink lists, I look them over, and what I'm looking for is not matching kinks...I'm looking for comfort levels. "Where can I push them?" "What could I, down the line, introduce into our play that this person might not be comfortable with now?" etc.

To assume that a Dominant Woman (or Man) isn't interested in anything the submissive has to say or offer, is not what I am about. I'm not denying that there are those out there that are comfortable in this, but to generalize us all into a catagory irritates me to no end.

I met a very suitable submissive yesterday in person. He approached me on another site, we exchanged mail and phone calls for 2 weeks, and I was ready to meet him yesterday. He's been what I would consider "bedroom kinky" for the most part. I have been in the scene for a long time. In a perfect world I suppose I would have leashed him right there in Starbucks and said "You are mine bitch, lick my boots", but regardless of the reaction to the vanilla patrons, it's not my style. Do I really want to be saddled with someone who, in the first couple meetings seems suitable, but may otherwise not be? Not this Domme.

He comes to the table, so to speak, with Kinks I haven't had much experience with, and a few of them are things that up until now, I had really sort of written off as not for me. However, our kinks are only a fraction of what I'm looking for. He was out of town for work last week, and contacted me every day. It was not a stipulation of any agreement, he simply did it. To me, that shows qualities that I am looking for. Someone who understands that he has to woo me, that he has to make the effort to display himself as attractive to me, and attractiveness for me is only marginally based on physical appearance.

I look at our kink 'mismatches' for a lack of a better term, as useful to me from a growth perspective. It pushes my comfort zone. I am not All Knowing, All Powerful, All experienced. I'm not new to BDSM, however, that which this lifestyle has to offer I consider a buffet. And sometimes, some of the dishes are really good, although they may not appeal to me on a visceral level. Having someone come up and offer me a taste of something, and my being willing to sample it, is really the only way I'll ever grow for myself.

So, maybe I'm not "Most Dommes", and that's perfectly ok with me. You may be asking yourself, "Ok, so what's Lily get out of this if it's all about what they like." Well, it's certainly not all about what they like. But you have to start someplace. And I've found that it's much easier to start with something a submissive (especially one who's only been 'bedroom kinky') likes and be creative, expand on it, bring other things into it. By being creative, you can open worlds up you didn't even know existed....

Lily





CTclay -> RE: strap on questions (1/17/2005 3:20:32 PM)

Wow! What great descriptions from both Beach Mystress and Ms. Lily! I like the way Beach Mystress describes the will of the dominant that the submissive needs in order to be able to submit -- the dominant has to be concerned with the dominant's own desires. If I were only doing what I wanted in a BDSM relationship, I don't think I'd feel the power that I want to feel from the dominant. I want what I don't want, or at least I want some of my desires to be ignored. When I see that the domina is satisfied regardless of my pleasure or despite my pain or discomfort, it's deeply gratifying. (What perverts we are.)

Ms. Lily describes what I also want: The feeling of security within the relationship. The feeling that this powerful person I'm with will both care for me and cherish me. I'd feel neglected or unsafe if I never saw a domina demonstrate some care for me. If I weren't doing anything I wanted, the relationship wouldn't last long. In the real world, most dominas are going to want to know what a valuable submissive wants and seriously consider it.

I didn't see anything that either domina said contradict what the other said. Instead their postings compliment each other. (If I'm wrong about that, please clarify.)

From some of the other posts above, I suppose not all submissives feel the same way, but I need both aspects to the relationship. I don't know why a submissive would get into a BDSM relationship if there wasn't some strong will in the domina to surrender to. I don't understand why anyone would stay in that kind of relationship if there wasn't more to it than simple surrender.





ProtagonistLily -> RE: strap on questions (1/17/2005 3:30:40 PM)

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I didn't see anything that either domina said contradict what the other said. Instead their postings compliment each other. (If I'm wrong about that, please clarify.)


Hi CT,

Thank you for the nice words. I was not contradicting Beach at all, nor do I believe she was me either. I simply was rubbed the wrong way by the generalization and expanded on it.

It's nice to hear the nice words once in a while, thanks.

Lily




victortheo22 -> RE: strap on questions (1/21/2005 11:50:38 PM)

Just curious - but if someone were new to it - nver been penetrated - what size strap on would one start them with - to ensure that it is not too painful - and that no injury occurs ?

Any guesses from the experienced user and usee?




MadameDahlia -> RE: strap on questions (1/22/2005 1:03:37 AM)

You could try using a dilation kit... which is a series of plugs that gradually get bigger. Then you can start off with an average sized strap on.

Otherwise something rather slender probably ought to be used. While the muscle can be expanded an unexperienced behind can easily be torn if the subbie is nervous and unprepared for anal play.




MsHoney2you -> RE: strap on questions (1/22/2005 7:53:52 AM)


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ORIGINAL: victortheo22

Just curious - but if someone were new to it - nver been penetrated - what size strap on would one start them with - to ensure that it is not too painful - and that no injury occurs ?

Any guesses from the experienced user and usee?


I suggest getting a vibrating butt plug to start. Make the learning a pleasant experience, then graduate to the real thing.

IMO strap on play is fabulous! I tend to keep that very private between myself and someone I find to be very special as it's very emotional for me. I LOVE to hear a man making noises like a woman does as he is penetrated. I LOVE the power I feel as I am "doing it" to him. Not to mention the feeling that comes over me as I finally 'get it' as to why men will fuck anything that will let them!

For those reasons, I am picky as to whom I share this with,
Ms Honey




Redb -> RE: strap on questions (1/25/2005 6:38:01 AM)

My submissive playmate and i have been building up to use my Strap-on and next Fridays the night. We've been working with anal play for quite a while, i have made him come through prostate manipulation and as his first time, he was hugely responsive.

I've had a bit of a fantasy about using one for a long time and the first time i tried my new purchase on, i was so incredibly turned on that i had to masturbate... frighteningly intense response to some leather straps and a bit of black rubber but fascinating all the same.

I'm really looking forward to it. I've been asking advice from every male sub and female Dom i can find and have a list or suggestions as long as my arm to consider.





sting516 -> RE: strap on questions (1/25/2005 2:50:02 PM)

Ms Redb,

How great for You and Your sub that You'll be trying something is seems like You will really enjoy (going by Your reaction to wearing Your cock)...best of luck, i hope it's everything You want it to be!


sting




SternMistress -> RE: strap on questions (1/26/2005 1:00:09 PM)

I'll be thinking of you on Friday, Red.
S xx




Redb -> RE: strap on questions (1/28/2005 6:58:24 AM)

Grrrrrrrr.
My lodger was supposed to be going out tonight and my playmate was coming over and now she informs me that she's not going out so i've had to cancel my playmate.
Hugely pissed off.
ah well.
re-arrange for next week.




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