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Josephine - 8/19/2006 6:48:33 AM   
Aneirin


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Hello all,
I have a question which maybe,hopefully someone here may be able to answer;

About ten years ago,I saw a stall at a fair,selling small statuettes,key fobs and other items of one subject,a figure called 'Josephine',it was a nude female in chains.

This to me is one of those questions that sits in your mind awaiting an answer,does anyone here know anything about it?
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RE: Josephine - 8/19/2006 11:04:50 AM   
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I don't think it has any "significance" just someone trying to make money selling kinky dolls is more like it.

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RE: Josephine - 8/19/2006 1:36:07 PM   
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Not sure what the statue was supposed to represent.

St Josephine was a Sudanese girl  who originally had been sold into slavery, was taken to Italy and eventually wound up with the sisters and was later granted her freedom.  She died after a long painful illness and it is said she would cry out for the Lord to please loosen her chains because they were so heavy.

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RE: Josephine - 8/19/2006 1:41:08 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Hello all,
I have a question which maybe,hopefully someone here may be able to answer; About ten years ago,I saw a stall at a fair,selling small statuettes,key fobs and other items of one subject,a figure called 'Josephine',it was a nude female in chains. This to me is one of those questions that sits in your mind awaiting an answer,does anyone here know anything about it?


Josephine Bakhita (18698 February 1947) is a Roman Catholic saint.
Bakhita was born to a locally important family in Olgossa, a village in the southern Sudanese district of Darfur in Africa. Her father was the brother of the village chief. At the age of six or seven she was kidnapped by Arab slave traders and over the course of the next eight years was sold and resold five times in the markets of El Obeid and Khartoum. The trauma of her abduction caused her to forget her own name, and the name we know her by is a compound of the name given her by the slavers (bakhita, the Arabic word for lucky) and the Christian name she took in adulthood.
Bakhita suffered much brutality during her captivity. On one occasion, one of her owner's sons beat her so severely that she spent a month unable to move from a straw bed. She later recalled that her most terrifying memory was of her fourth owner, a Turkish army officer, having her (in common with all his other slaves) marked as 'his' by a process that resembled both scarification and tattooing. Her memoirs, written in Italian many years later, recall that a dish of white flour, a dish of salt and a blade were brought by a woman, who drew patterns on her skin and then cut deeply along the lines before filling the wounds with salt and flour to ensure permanent scarring. More than sixty patterns were cut into her breasts, belly, and arms.
Her final purchaser was an Italian consul, Callisto Legnani, who treated her with kindness and apparently planned to free her, although in 1885 he instead gave the sixteen-year-old Bakhita to his friend Augusto Michieli, and she was taken to Italy and became nanny to the latter's daughter Mimmina. In 1888 or 1889 Bakhita and Mimmina were left in the custody of the Canossian Sisters in Venice while the Michielis moved to the Red Sea on business. In 1890 she was baptised at her own instigation, and took the Christian name Giuseppina Margarita (Josephine Margaret). When the Michielis returned to collect her and their daughter, Bakhita did not want to leave. Mrs Michieli tried to force the issue, but the superior of the school that Bakhita and Mimmina had attended in Venice complained to the authorities. An Italian court ruled that since the Sudan had outlawed slavery before Bakhita's birth, and since in any case Italian law did not recognise slavery, Bakhita had never in fact been a slave. Bakhita had now reached the age of majority, and she found herself in control of her own destiny for the first time in her life. She chose to remain with the Canossians.
In 1896 she joined the sisters permanently, and in 1902 she was assigned to a house in Schio in the northern Italian province of Vicenza, where she spent the rest of her life. Her only extended time away from Schio was between 1935 and 1938, a period she spent in Milan helping prepare young sisters for work in Africa.
During her forty-five years in Schio Giuseppina was usually employed as portress (door keeper) of her house, and so was in frequent contact with the local community. Her gentleness, calming voice, and ever-present smile became well known and Vicenzans still refer to her as la nostra madre moretta ("our little brown mother"). Her special charisma and reputation for sanctity were noticed by her order, and she was instructed to publish her memoirs and to give talks about her experiences; these made her famous throughout Italy. Her last years were marked by pain and sickness, but she retained her cheerfulness, and if asked how she was, would always smile and answer "as the master desires". In the extremity of her last days her mind was driven back to the years of her slavery and in her delirium she would cry out "Please, loosen the chains... they are so heavy".
Giuseppina died on the 8th February 1947. For three days her body lay on display while thousands of people arrived to pay their respects. The calls for her canonization began immediately, and the process began in 1959, only twelve years after her death. On the 1st December 1978 Pope John Paul II declared Giuseppina Venerabilis, the first step towards canonization. On the 17th May 1992 she was declared Blessed and given the 8th February as her feast; and on the 1st October 2000 she was canonized and became Saint Josephine Bakhita. She is venerated as a modern African saint, and as a saint with a special relevance to slavery and oppression. She has been adopted as the patron saint of the Sudan.

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RE: Josephine - 8/19/2006 3:41:40 PM   
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Wow, this was interesting, Whip the Hip. I am a Catholic, and even I didn't know this.

- Susan

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RE: Josephine - 8/19/2006 7:37:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SusanofO
Wow, this was interesting, Whip the Hip. I am a Catholic, and even I didn't know this.
- Susan

 
I wish I could take credit for knowing this, but I just copied it from Wikipedia.

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RE: Josephine - 8/19/2006 9:39:18 PM   
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Copying from any source without proper citation is generally frowned upon.  Plagerism is not a virtue.  

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RE: Josephine - 8/19/2006 10:49:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sunshine119

Copying from any source without proper citation is generally frowned upon.  Plagerism is not a virtue.  


Did you really think he was trying to pass that off as original work?

Point your mouse to any of the highlighted terms in Whip's post. Each is revealed as a link to wikipedia. There are dozens of them.

Then two hours before your post he reposted with an explicit attribution to wikipedia.

What kind of hard core edge-play philologist calls that plagiarism?


Thanks for the kinky hagiography, Whip.

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RE: Josephine - 8/20/2006 3:53:53 AM   
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I gotta agree Noah.  I didn't see him trying to take any credit for that.  In fact, he didn't even change the font on the post...no way anyone should come to the conclusion that he was attempting to take credit for the post.

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RE: Josephine - 8/20/2006 5:13:44 AM   
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Ok,if it helps,they were at a closed(invitation only)pagan festival,these items were in all materials including silver and bronze.It featured a voluptuous nude female with a heavy chain snaking around the body,from the raised manacled wrists to the manacled feet.

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RE: Josephine - 8/20/2006 5:42:23 AM   
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Here's a link to some sculptures.... any of them the one?

http://www.exotic.co.uk/erotica/thumbnails_bondage.html

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RE: Josephine - 8/20/2006 5:45:01 AM   
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Copying from any source without proper citation is generally frowned upon.  Plagerism is not a virtue.  


I thought it was pretty obvious from the heading: "Josephine Bakhita (18698 February 1947) is a Roman Catholic saint "
and the style that it was an enyclopedia entry.   I should have credited Wikipedia, but I have a grudge against Wikipedia.
Their articles can't be trusted on controversial subjects because one or two administrators that have an interest in the
subject control the content of the article.  If you want to know the truth, you have to look on the discussion page of
every article.   A lot of Wikpedia articles are biased.  Bill Gates stole MS-DOS from Professor Gary Kildall, and violated the
Sherman Antitrust Act for ten years by refusing to allow any company to offer his products if they sold a competitor's
product. It is amazing how so few people know the true story.   We all owe Gary Kildall a debt of gratitude, and
should have nothing but contempt for Bill Gates.  Bill Gates engaged in a lot of underhanded, dirty pool to destroy
Gary Kildall.  He sent emails to all his employees asking them to spread false rumors about Gary Kildall's
operating system DR-DOS. He threatened to put manufacturers out of business.  In his e-mails, Bill Gates 
sounds  more like Al Capone than a business executive.  Bill Gates bought second rate computer applications,
then them the defacto business standard by forcing manufacturers to place them on every computer they sell.
Because of this every major computer application offered by Microsoft is second-rate.  Microsoft did not create
anything.  BetaMax was superior to VHS, but VHS won out because it was cheaper and became a standard.
Microsoft used the VHS model to conquer the software industry, but he had to violate the Sherman Antitrust
Act to do it.  

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RE: Josephine - 8/20/2006 9:34:26 AM   
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Thankyou Level for the link,but alas it is not one of those,although I already admire the work of Leigh Heppell.

I think perhaps what I am looking for,may be the work of a talented amateur,although From what I remember,there was nothing unskilled in in the execution of those pieces.

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RE: Josephine - 8/20/2006 10:56:05 AM   
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I think it probably was referencing Saint Josephine.  Catholic Saints have been intermingled with many religions., VooDoo and Santeria are prime examples.  It is not uncommon to find many different things intermingled.

K  

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RE: Josephine - 8/20/2006 12:34:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sunshine119

Plagerism is not a virtue.  


Neither is small minded critisism!


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RE: Josephine - 8/20/2006 1:30:10 PM   
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Didn't the Marquis De Sade write something called Josephine? That was the first thing I thought of after reading the OP's question..

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RE: Josephine - 8/20/2006 4:59:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SleeplessGypsy
Didn't the Marquis De Sade write something called Josephine?
You might be thinking of Justine.

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