Strange Dance - Lieberman as the de facto GOP candidate

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Daddy4UdderSlut -> Strange Dance - Lieberman as the de facto GOP candidate (8/20/2006 10:40:38 AM)
Well, this is getting downright comical! With the official Republican candidate for Joe Lieberman's senatorial seat in CT, Alan Schlesinger running at the almost invisible level of 4% approval in polls, the GOP have refused to endorse their own candidate... and by default then, their candidate would now be Senator Lieberman! [:D] See: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/19/nyregion/19conn.html?_r=1&hp&ex=1155960000&en=cf0c403c75a866b9&ei=5094&partner=homepage&oref=slogin For his own part, Lieberman seems to be feeling in an awkward position with all this, and is seeking to distance himself from the White House with renewed criticism: http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=newsOne&storyID=2006-08-20T171328Z_01_N20325800_RTRUKOC_0_US-LIEBERMAN.xml&WTmodLoc=Home-C2-TopNews-newsOne-2

Lordandmaster -> RE: Strange Dance - Lieberman as the de facto GOP candidate (8/20/2006 10:50:06 AM)
Lieberman should just become a Republican and end this stupid charade.

WyrdRich -> RE: Strange Dance - Lieberman as the de facto GOP candidate (8/20/2006 11:53:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster Lieberman should just become a Republican and end this stupid charade. But Lieberman isn't a Republican. He is the last remnant of a Democrat party I could vote for. The Dems have been down this path before and it gave Nixon a landslide victory in '72. And the Republicans are smart to make it easy for the Dems to splinter. I just hope the Democrat Leadership (that's right up there with 'military intelligence') takes the message that the damn radicals are pissing off the hard-hats again.

servitude69 -> RE: Strange Dance - Lieberman as the de facto GOP candidate (8/20/2006 12:00:39 PM)
Lieberman is the only democrat i would vote for to. He would not have a chance running as a Republican in that liberal state. I do think ( and hope ) that he will win that seat as an Independant.

peterK50 -> RE: Strange Dance - Lieberman as the de facto GOP candidate (8/20/2006 12:09:33 PM)
I'm always amazed by the train wreck that is the Republican Administration/ Congress inspires anything but contempt. If the" CEO President" was an actual CEO he would have been tossed out with his golden parachute long ago by the Board. Failure is failure no matter how you spin it. The other guy would have been worse is pure conjecture.& deflection.

juliaoceania -> RE: Strange Dance - Lieberman as the de facto GOP candidate (8/20/2006 4:08:23 PM)
fast reply, It seems the only ones that cannot believe democrats wouldn't vote republicans are republicans themselves.

Lordandmaster -> RE: Strange Dance - Lieberman as the de facto GOP candidate (8/20/2006 4:29:42 PM)
"Remnant"? That's amusing. quote: ORIGINAL: WyrdRich But Lieberman isn't a Republican. He is the last remnant of a Democrat party I could vote for.

juliaoceania -> RE: Strange Dance - Lieberman as the de facto GOP candidate (8/20/2006 4:57:01 PM)
If by remnant he meant Dixiecrats like Thurmond, well Lieberman wasn't a segregationalist. I think Zell Miller was the last one of that ilk...

popeye1250 -> RE: Strange Dance - Lieberman as the de facto GOP candidate (8/20/2006 5:18:22 PM)
Peterk50, but the "other guy" was John "French" Kerry.

peterK50 -> RE: Strange Dance - Lieberman as the de facto GOP candidate (8/20/2006 5:55:13 PM)
You mean the decorated Vietnam veteren Kerry? Unlike W., who skipped his physical so not to fail the drug test while holding down a barstool in Texas. The gullibility of the right is amazing.

CrappyDom -> RE: Strange Dance - Lieberman as the de facto GOP candidate (8/21/2006 9:36:59 AM)
I think this will backfire on the Republicans. Either way they do not get a Republican elected and if the Senate is close, Lieberman could be a key swing vote. Unless he truly desires to switch sides, which I don't think he does, when time for trying the administration for treason comes, it would be delicious irony if he cast the deciding vote sending them all to the gallows.

MistressLorelei -> RE: Strange Dance - Lieberman as the de facto GOP candidate (8/21/2006 10:08:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WyrdRich quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster Lieberman should just become a Republican and end this stupid charade. But Lieberman isn't a Republican. He is the last remnant of a Democrat party I could vote for. The Dems have been down this path before and it gave Nixon a landslide victory in '72. And the Republicans are smart to make it easy for the Dems to splinter. I just hope the Democrat Leadership (that's right up there with 'military intelligence') takes the message that the damn radicals are pissing off the hard-hats again. Well, the fact that you would vote for Lieberman speaks volumes. I would consider you very far to the right in most instances here. How is it smart to vote for a member of the opposite party (who generally votes with the Dems, aside from war issues).... instead of a candidate who would likely support all of the Republican ideals. That will show the Democratic party alright! I do think that many Republicans (especially the moderates) are seeing just how dangerous a conservative, war whore of a President can be, and are searching for a safer candidate... Lieberman, at least offers them something to grab a hold of. I don't see Lieberman as completely turning to the dark side... and perhaps, he is making nice with the Republicans in office, and when the time comes, he will help expose them, and hold them accountable for the damage they have done to this country, its laws, and the constitution. A constitution, that as President was his primary job to uphold and secure... yet he continues to battle against it.

Mercnbeth -> RE: Strange Dance - Lieberman as the de facto GOP candidate (8/21/2006 10:34:49 AM)
Mistress Lorelei, I agree that Lieberman hasn't switched parties and doesn't plan on it. His difference is that he is pragmatic in his approach to issues, considering personal beliefs, observation, and his entire Connecticut constituency, not just one-issue voters. Take a look at this response by the defacto head of the Democratic party, or at least the last person to represent them in a national election. quote: Aug. 20, 2006 — Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., blasted a fellow Democrat, Sen. Joe Lieberman, for continuing his bid in the Connecticut Senate race despite a narrow loss to newcomer Ned Lamont in the Democratic primary earlier this month. "I'm concerned that [Lieberman] is making a Republican case," Kerry told ABC News' "This Week with George Stephanopoulos" in an exclusive appearance. Kerry accused the 2000 Democratic vice presidential candidate of "adopting the rhetoric of Dick Cheney," on the issue of Iraq. "Joe Lieberman is out of step with the people of Connecticut," Kerry added, insisting Lieberman's stance on Iraq, "shows you just why he got in trouble with the Democrats there." Source: http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/Politics/story?id=2334709&page=1 Agreed, Leiberman is "in trouble with the Democratic party in Connecticut. Based upon his double digit margin in the polls ahead of Lamont, who is more "in trouble" or out of touch with a majority of the Connecticut voters? It is on this basis that I base my opinion that the Democratic party is in trouble in general and will not put up a viable candidate for 2008. I hope I'm wrong. If the 2004 ticket were reversed as Lieberman/Kerry, I would have had no problem voting FOR that ticket versus what I did, voting against a Kerry presidency.

MistressLorelei -> RE: Strange Dance - Lieberman as the de facto GOP candidate (8/21/2006 11:49:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth Mistress Lorelei, I agree that Lieberman hasn't switched parties and doesn't plan on it. His difference is that he is pragmatic in his approach to issues, considering personal beliefs, observation, and his entire Connecticut constituency, not just one-issue voters. Take a look at this response by the defacto head of the Democratic party, or at least the last person to represent them in a national election. quote: Aug. 20, 2006 — Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., blasted a fellow Democrat, Sen. Joe Lieberman, for continuing his bid in the Connecticut Senate race despite a narrow loss to newcomer Ned Lamont in the Democratic primary earlier this month. "I'm concerned that [Lieberman] is making a Republican case," Kerry told ABC News' "This Week with George Stephanopoulos" in an exclusive appearance. Kerry accused the 2000 Democratic vice presidential candidate of "adopting the rhetoric of Dick Cheney," on the issue of Iraq. "Joe Lieberman is out of step with the people of Connecticut," Kerry added, insisting Lieberman's stance on Iraq, "shows you just why he got in trouble with the Democrats there." Source: http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/Politics/story?id=2334709&page=1 Agreed, Leiberman is "in trouble with the Democratic party in Connecticut. Based upon his double digit margin in the polls ahead of Lamont, who is more "in trouble" or out of touch with a majority of the Connecticut voters? It is on this basis that I base my opinion that the Democratic party is in trouble in general and will not put up a viable candidate for 2008. I hope I'm wrong. If the 2004 ticket were reversed as Lieberman/Kerry, I would have had no problem voting FOR that ticket versus what I did, voting against a Kerry presidency. I don't refute that Lieberman is a bit of a blister for the Democratic party, and third party (Nader) candidates have continued to keep Democrats out of office when the loss is by a small percentage. However, I do think if Republicans vote for a long-time Democrat as their representative, that they could be in for a big surprise. I would rather have Lieberman than most any Republican candidate in history that comes to mind.... so, if the Republicans vote him in.... it's not the end of the world. Any vote moved from a potential Bush clone to Lieberman isn't such a bad thing. It would be a race of a democrat vs democrat.... works for me.

Manawyddan -> RE: Strange Dance - Lieberman as the de facto GOP candidate (9/2/2006 6:36:07 AM)
I read an interesting analysis of Lieberman's career recently (I forget the editorialist), sort of "where he went wrong." The writer asserted that during Clinton's presidency, Lieberman was a strong centralising influence on the Democratic party, and a useful bridge between them and the Republicans. He frequently used his influence to shift Clinton into a more intelligently moderate position. However, that strategy backfired in the current administration. They are so far to the right, he is not going to shift them towards the center ... and it does the Democrats no good to have one of their own cheerleading for the neocons. I have (or used to have, they've rather betrayed themselves in my view with their endless porkbarelling) a lot of respect for Republican fiscal policy, and had Lieberman asserted himself in support of some of their more intelligent proposals I would have admired. But by supporting this inane war he deserves to shoot himself in the foot.

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