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RE: Since the right loves blame games, here's another - 8/22/2006 9:55:26 PM   
Termyn8or


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Car insurance;

Ever hear of minimum coverage ? I have. Have you read the fine print ? I have.

First of all I won't be tailgating you, cutting you off or running a redlight when you are crossing the intersection. Know why ? Because I don't want to give you the money. I WILL give you the money, but I certainly won't like it. PERSONAL RESPOSIBILITY, which is apparently illegel now. I have paid off every at fault wreck I ever had. If that isn't good enough, I just don't know what to tell you.

Here's my problem with car insurance, if you actually read the contract it states that they can settle the case even if you protest, for an amount, any amount. That means any amount over the limits of their subrogation. If you have minimum coverage (about $40,000 in Ohio) and they decide to settle the case for $3 million, you are left holding the bag for the rest.

You still lose all your property and stuff. So where's the insurance ?

We survived hundreds of years without car insurance. There were alot less people.

You see, with the car insurance you abdicate your responsibility to pay for your mistakes, but the other side of the coin is that you give up the RIGHT to fight it on your own terms.

Enough on that, if we want to go on about insurance let's start another thread.

I have actually come to the realization though, that even the sickening social programs of the Dems would be better than what we have. That is sad.

T

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RE: Since the right loves blame games, here's another - 8/23/2006 3:11:47 AM   
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Termyn8or,

Let me see if I can explain the democratic philosophy with regard to the "sickening democratic social programs".  It's simple.....we believe that we all do better, when we ALL do better.   While some of the programs are not as effective as was intentioned, the idea behind them was to provide a safety network for the weakest amongst us in the hopes that they could become contributing members to a society that is working for the common good.  Unfortunately, there are too many, "I got mine, the hell with you" people out there for this to have worked very well. That doesn't mean we give up trying.

By the way.........your insurance company rant?  The insurance industry lobby is extremely powerful.  Take away their ability to buy off politicians (see campaign finance reform listed three posts back), and you might get back some of the government regulation that the republicans have stripped away that might have allowed for some responsibiilty on everyones part.  As it is now, the insurance companies have a legal right to milk the public for every possible dollar, and very few obligations to its policy holders. 

In our next lesson, we'll learn about credit card companies and the money they invested in politicians to be given the legal right to rob blind anyone who dares do business with them. 

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RE: Since the right loves blame games, here's another - 8/23/2006 8:56:38 AM   
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"In our next lesson, we'll learn about credit card companies and the money they invested in politicians to be given the legal right to rob blind anyone who dares do business with them.  "

Banks in general. How about the federal reserve ? They have a closed book policy. Most people do not know that the federal reserve is not part of the government. Niether is Fanni Mae, Freddie Mac, the FDIC, FSLIC or even the IRS !

Yes folks, the IRS is a private concern incorporated in, of course, Deleware. I have copies of the original incorporation papers. A late buddy of mine wrote to the governor's office and got certified copies. Who knows where they went, but I have scans. Doesn't matter, they can be had again simply by writing for them and paying the copying fees.

Anyone live in DC ? Look up the federal reserve and tell me if it is still in the yellow pages (NOT the government section). They used to be on the same page as the federal laundry.

This all started with the "New Deal". Fr. Coughlin had quite a bit to say about this, and many of the WPA agencies incorporated in Deleware. His main question was why do they incorporate if they are part of the government ?

Time and time again, people who out and out refuse to file taxes get acquitted, the ones who usually go to jail did file, but lied on the form. In one case the defendant won, and regarding substantial income too, six figures. When the prosecutor lost, he asked the judge to order the defendant to pay his taxes, to which the Judge replied "I don't work for the IRS sir". This was one of the cases where the defendant went in with statutory evidence, case histories and supreme court rulings.

I AM NOT saying to stop paying your taxes. This is a very dangerous thing to do. You need to know the law very well and be prepared to do without your assets for a time, possibly up to a year. After the first time though, they will not bother you again.

Now this is not pie in the sky bullshit, I PERSONALLY know someone who has done this. His six figure income is untaxed. I have seen the papers the IRS sent him and they have some section he is now classified under. It is a non-taxpaying status, and I'm told it is used for international arms dealers and the super rich. All nice and legal, but do you think they'll tell us ?

As for social programs, let's put a few things in perspective. I am totally against welfare. When I was down and out I lived under a bush. I was lucky to get a bush, except for the bugs it was alot better than under a bridge. I think that people who up and have a bunch of kids without the ability to support them should starve. Now this is NOT because of the drain on the US economy. All the welfare in the country doesn't add up to a gnat's ass compared to the money they are stealing. The reason I am against welfare is because it creates useless people. Let's face it, if my family and friends won't help me out in a time of need, either I am an asshole or they are. And, when I was younger and alot stoopider, that was the case. Things have changed. I learned how to be productive and treat people right. With welfare I wouldn't have had to do that.

I had to become PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE for my fortune, good or bad. In a nutshell, if you make people personally responsible for everything, you will have alot of good Citizens. People wholly unfit for the Springer show, who work and only have the kids they can afford, who do not drink excessively, get into fights, get mad and bust up others' property. You will see safe drivers who will not risk ten lives to save ten seconds of their precious time. You will see people living within their means, which is something actually detrimental to their version of the economy.

In time some will see opportunity, start reopening factories and investing in the community. People might eventually shun foreign products in favor of domestic. This would be bad for the globalists.

Lety's face it, both sides of the regime have legislated most of the productive businesses out of this country. Now comes USC2257 which has removed most of the porn business on the internet from this country. One thing about USC2257, did anyone see it on Cspan ? No, it it a regulation formed by a commitee. I thought a bill was supposed to be debated by the House and Congress and then signed or vetoed by the CEO of the country here. I don't think that has happened.

Truth is, no president could do any damage if the Constitution was enforced. But due to the state of emergency since 1933 there is no Constitution.

When my house is signed over for asset protection purposes the person who now owns the house is going to come up with $21 in gold or silver nonetheless. The reason is, when you talk about legislation and executive orders, there is no Constitution. When you talk about driver licensing and all kind of other things, gone. When you go to court for a traffic or criminal offence you are in a court of adniralty. Not quite a military court, but next time you fight a traffic ticket, mention the Constitution and see what kind of response you get. It will not be pleasant.

However, in tort law, the Constitution has not been fully dispensed with as of yet. When the amount in question exceeds $20 you have certain options as to what to do. This is based in the Constitution. When in civil court, you are not in an admiralty court, you are in a court of equity. Why is this important ? Any lawyer can tell you alot about it, and that is not the subject of this post. After a lawyer gives you what he knows on it, come on back for the rest. Of course any court that displays a flag with a gold fringe is not necessarily a common law court.

They hate the common law, that is until they had to use it to convict Kevorkian. Yup, they changed the flag and the judge took off his robe. Luckily he was wearing trousers (lol).

One of the things my friends in the movement have taught me is to do it in writing. They can strike verbal testimony from the record, but when you file affidavits and other papers with the court it sticks. Court records are generally public. That means it is not only open for review by a "higher" court, it can be made public. That is until you really embarass them. Then the case is marked "Not to be cited nor published", and when they do that, there is no order in the public record to fine or incarcerate you with. They generally don't bother you again.

This whole system stinks from the top down, no question. If not for the Iraq debacle, there would be very little difference between tweedle dee and tweedle dumber. Social programs do not affect me directly. Wars come and go, and gasoline goes up no matter what. Inflation is part of the plan on both sides, and taxation doesn't change very much.

The super rich got these people on a little hamster wheel sorta. They already had money, their job is to destroy the economy, therefore they must keep amassing more capital just to stay even because of inflation.

Wanna play the blame game ? It goes all the way back to the founding fathers. It only gets worse from there. Each generation in turn compounded the problem by not being diligent enough at keeping the government in check. I must admit my generation isn't doing much, but most of the legal avenues to induce change have been removed.

So vote the way you want, if you want to. All you do is make one bunch of people a bit richer quicker than another. I think we need to find some fresh congressmen to elect. Let's stack the House too if possible. If we could only find 535 Ron Pauls we would have gone a long way in fixing this country.

If the Dems were in power would we be in Iraq ? Unknown.
Would we still use DU weapons which constitutes a war crime ? Unknown.
Would gas be around $3 a gallon ? Maybe more !
Would businesses still be encouraged to relocate offshore ? Definitely.
Would you still be pissed of at the government ? Absolutely.

You can't please everybody no matter what. But then lately it seems that neither side of the regime is interested in pleasing anybody but themselves.

T

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RE: Since the right loves blame games, here's another - 8/23/2006 9:15:47 AM   
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quote:

Fr. Coughlin


Okay, NOW you are starting to scare me, that fucking idiot was as looney as they come, kind of like a 1930s Pat Buchannan.

As for credit cards, the reason they are allowed to charge such high rates was to prevent them from going the way of the Savings and Loans.  The high rates bailed them out at the expense of the middle class so the rich wouldn't lose any money.

As for the WPA, that was one of the best things our government ever did and y ou are full of shit about the IRS. 

As for Welfare, anyone rich in this country gets more fucking welfare than anyone else unless you do the following.
  •  Do you only use private toll roads?
  • Do you only ship by rail, because airlines are subsidized by local, state, and federal government?
  • Do you only hire employees who went to private school their entire lives?
  • Do you not sell to any government agency or to any firm who does?
  • Do you not use the legal system to protect your interests?
  • You don't import goods using public ports, nor export goods.
  • You don't do real estate deals because titles are managed and controlled by public entities
  • You don't use US currency, only gold or barter

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RE: Since the right loves blame games, here's another - 8/23/2006 9:30:52 AM   
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"Must the entire world go to war for 600,000 Jews in Germany who are neither American, nor French, nor English citizens, but citizens of Germany?"
-- January 30, 1939


There is a great Father Coughlin quote...what a charming fellow you seem to admire!

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RE: Since the right loves blame games, here's another - 8/23/2006 9:35:08 AM   
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Weeeeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllllll, at the time, alot of the world felt that way, we did not enter the war here in America, just cause they were frying up a couple jews...

But I agree in principle that Buchanan probably has shrines in his house venerating these kinda people.

LOL,
Ron

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RE: Since the right loves blame games, here's another - 8/23/2006 10:29:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CrappyDom



As for Welfare, anyone rich in this country gets more fucking welfare than anyone else unless you do the following.
  •  Do you only use private toll roads?
  • Do you only ship by rail, because airlines are subsidized by local, state, and federal government?
  • Do you only hire employees who went to private school their entire lives?
  • Do you not sell to any government agency or to any firm who does?
  • Do you not use the legal system to protect your interests?
  • You don't import goods using public ports, nor export goods.
  • You don't do real estate deals because titles are managed and controlled by public entities
  • You don't use US currency, only gold or barter




Sigh...CrappyDom, can I have your baby!

I want to talk about welfare and living under bushes and such.  Termyn8or thinks that people that are starving will finally get responsible and start pulling their own weight.  I think that is a dream......people who are starving will find a way to feed themselves, even if it means stealing from the haves, rising up against them and taking what they need to survive.  Build more prisons you say???  You'll still end up supporting them .  And the percentage of American's currently sitting in US prisons is a national tragedy and shameful. 

Here is my plan (when I am elected president).  It's going to sound a lot like socialism, so prepare yourself. 

I recognize the need in this country for cheap labor.  I have to confess, I don't understand the need for obscene wealth and power that has no limit.  I just dont' get that.  But, because there apparently is a need for that, cheap labor MUST be provided to the "haves" in this country in order for our society to function.  However, some of the hardest work and most undesirable work(maintenance, janitorial, garbage collector, laborer) pays the least amount.  I think it is immoral that people that labor and contribute to society in this manner, should not be able to live in dignity with their basic needs being met.  $5.15 an hour will not provide housing, utilities, transportation, education and health care for your children, food, clothing. 

My proposal is that the "haves", the wealthy and the corporations would pay more in taxes.  ANYONE who worked and contributed to society, be it a McDonalds burger flipper, a sanitation worker, an envelope licker, a bus driver, etc., ANYBODY who worked and contributed to society would be provided by the government the following things.
1.  A clean, warm, dry place to live.
2.  Food on the table.
3.  Health care.
4.  Education for your children. 
5.  A way to get to work.  (transportation).

If there is not a job available for you, the government will make one for you (40 hours of envelope licking, cleaning up litter, filing, etc...WHATEVER).

If you don't contribute to society, then you receive nothing and your children are taken away from you.  If you are mentally ill, or physically unable to work, then special exceptions will be made for you. 

Under this program, you will on receive only those things required to live life with a little dignity.  If you wish to do better, than all the other ways that exist today (education, moving up the corporate ladder, entrepreneurialship) would still be available. 

I am open to suggestions (as president, my door will always be open to new ideas)

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