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RE: Iraq Had ‘Nothing’ To Do With 9/11 - 8/22/2006 10:52:15 PM

Termyn8or

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You wanna hear some shit ?

Saddam had expressed a desire to deal in Euros. In his position indeed it might be a good move. But then I see they busted open the Iraqi banks and found oodles of US currency.

Why ? Now let me reiterate that I am at least a borderline sociopath with a brain. You know those people who if they had a brain they would be dangerous, well I am one.

Let me stress that this is alot of supposition. Saddam was about to run game on them. Ruin the US dollar and get real scarce. Even if they caught him the damage would've been done. Think about it. You see, if we are to see what the powers that be see, we must think like criminals. Saddam used to be one of their criminals and was about to betray them. The fall of the dollar isn't on the schedule yet. What's more, those caches of cash, they were probably meant to flood the foreign markets with queer (counterfeit, or not even that, dumping).

I think they caught wind of the Euro idea and that's when they decided they had had enough of this particular boy. After all they did for him too. How friendly they were during and after the Carter years.

Yup, I think it is a distinct possibility that Saddam was going to do as much damage to the US economy as possible and maybe try to skedaddle. This could be precisely what made him a target instead of Al Qaeda, N Korea and Iran. Without the economy the war machine will suffer as well. Many many reasons become clear after a bit of thought. It still doesn't quite make sense, but it's closer than the TV news.

There is also a school of thought out there that Iraq is to be a staging ground for a more invasive assault. Time will tell. Actually, with the control of the oil, it does make sense strategically. Time will tell.

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Iraq Had Something To Do With 9/11 - 8/23/2006 12:35:25 AM

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Here is the connection between Iraq and 9/11. 9/11 brought
home the reality that terrorist would attack us anonymously
if they could. Sadam was our enemy, and we feared he might
eventually acquire WMD, and secret all terrorists to get their
hands on a few. He could say they were stolen. The next
thing we know is all our harbor cities are nuked or get a
dirty bomb or some biological weapon.

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RE: Iraq Had Something To Do With 9/11 - 8/23/2006 12:50:33 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: WhipTheHip

Here is the connection between Iraq and 9/11. 9/11 brought
home the reality that terrorist would attack us anonymously
if they could. Sadam was our enemy, and we feared he might
eventually acquire WMD, and secret all terrorists to get their
hands on a few. He could say they were stolen. The next
thing we know is all our harbor cities are nuked or get a
dirty bomb or some biological weapon.

Wow, someone who gets it. Iraq was in violation of a UN resolution that he declare any and all WMDs in his possesion. For that alone he was subject to being taken out. We were the only ones willing to do this because we were the only ones who didn't have a secret money making deal with Saddam. He was paying 25,000 dollars to families of homicide bombers as well. Anyone who doesn't think he would have helped Al Queada get WMDs is naive.
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RE: Iraq Had Something To Do With 9/11 - 8/23/2006 1:02:14 AM

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Israel is in violation of UN resolutions so when is the US going to invade Israel?

Al Qaeda was/is anti-Saddam

Before we get too fanciful, he was paying $25,000 to the families of suicide bombers. Specifically Palestinian bombers against Israel, not in any other context.

The USA pays for Israeli armaments that are used to murder and terrorise Palestinian civilians so American moral outrage is laughable.

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RE: Iraq Had ‘Nothing’ To Do With 9/11 - 8/23/2006 1:43:12 AM

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(mumbles something about Bush and then stomps out of the thread in a pout and a huff)

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RE: Iraq Had ‘Nothing’ To Do With 9/11 - 8/23/2006 4:49:59 AM

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"Iraq was in violation of a UN resolution that he declare any and all WMDs in his possesion. For that alone he was subject to being taken out."

...if this were true or a reasonable argument there would be an awful lot of countries quaking in their shoes waiting for the world police to knock........

"We were the only ones willing to do this because we were the only ones who didn't have a secret money making deal with Saddam"

... so America was the knight in shining white armour here, turning up to do the worlds dirty laundry with no self interest? i find that hard to believe, especially as there are a lot of other countries round the world just as nasty which have no prospect of being invaded by america.

"Anyone who doesn't think he would have helped Al Queada get WMDs is naive."

The reverse is actually true.

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RE: Iraq Had Something To Do With 9/11 - 8/23/2006 5:03:37 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: babygirl005
Wow, someone who gets it. Iraq was in violation of a UN resolution that he declare any and all WMDs in his possesion. For that alone he was subject to being taken out. We were the only ones willing to do this because we were the only ones who didn't have a secret money making deal with Saddam. He was paying 25,000 dollars to families of homicide bombers as well. Anyone who doesn't think he would have helped Al Queada get WMDs is naive.
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RE: Iraq Had Something To Do With 9/11 - 8/23/2006 6:34:04 AM

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As one of those you just called naive, let me educate you ass,

quote:

We were the only ones willing to do this because we were the only ones who didn't have a secret money making deal with Saddam.

I guess my naivete allowed me to read when it was disclosed that WE, meaning the US government approved illegal oil sales to Jordan and Turkey that nearly dwarfed the UN deals you are whining about. Almost all US oil companies were up to their eyeballs in both sets of oil deals. But you won't hear that on FOX

quote:

Anyone who doesn't think he would have helped Al Queada get WMDs is naive.

Anyone who has such a shallow grasp of how the world works shouldn't be allowed to vote. You do realize that Saddam ran the only non secular state in the ME and Al Queda is dedicated to the opposite goal? Oh, while you are at it, explain why there are now Al Queda training camps in Iraq and there were not prior to our invading. I would explain about Chalabi being an Shia and a double agent for Iran but it would be way over your head.

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RE: Iraq Had Something To Do With 9/11 - 8/23/2006 6:47:39 AM

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Don't be unfair, CD - he can't get those answers from Rush Limburger, everyone's favorite drug addicted radio host.

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RE: Iraq Had Something To Do With 9/11 - 8/23/2006 7:00:58 AM

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North Korea was more in violation than Iraq, admitted they were actively attempting to make WMD's. Now they have nukes.

Iraq did not even have the capability.

Iraq did have lots of oil, though.

*sighs*

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RE: Iraq Had ‘Nothing’ To Do With 9/11 - 8/23/2006 7:12:48 AM

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Hmmmmmmm this is an interesting thread. but someone explain to me please, I thought this was a war on Terror not a war on Al Quida. Al Quieda was the first target, I doubt that anyone would dispute that, but the war is about those that would terrorize America and those (including states) that support them.

If all Bush 2 wanted to do was attack Iraq, I believe that based upon the Bush 1 UN resolutions and the cease fire agreements that he would have had the authority already. So why go back to the UN?

And nothing says that Iraq is the end of the process (even though Bush 2 won't be there). Maybe Hezbolough (no I can't spell worth a darn) will be next (remember the Marines in Lebanon. Maybe Isreal will deal with that for us. I don't know.

Then there is piracy at sea. Remember the Archipelego Laural and the attacks on ships delivering aide to various countries. I feel that is terrorism against us.

And I don't believe it is all Bush. I don't believe that he created the terror problem any more than I believe that Truman created the terror problem in Germany following WWII (which went on for years after Germany surrendered). In fact, I believe that Bush is plagerizing a page from the Truman book - stay till the job is done.

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RE: Iraq Had Something To Do With 9/11 - 8/23/2006 7:13:54 AM

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Saddam was in violation of the UN sanctions for one reason: Fear.

Saddam antagonized every one of his neighbors, including the use of nerve gas aganist the Kurds ad the Iranians. After Desert Shield/Storm his conventional military was crippled. The only thing keeping Iran or Syria from waltzing in to Iraq was the fear that Saddam would be forced in to using nerve agents, or even nuclear devices against an invader.

Along come the sanctions and the demands that Saddam disarm his WMD programs. All fine and dandy until you realize that that's all he had to protect his own borders with. U.N. Weapon Inspectors didn't see anything, and publicly reported such poking holes in Saddams last defense of his country, so Saddam had to throw in some 'suspicious activity' to suggest that he might have had something to his neighbors. Even then as we found out -and confirmed- by invading Iraq, it was all just a shadow-play. Something to keep Syria and Iran from dividing Iraq up like the last piece of pizza at the superbowl party.

Did Saddam want Nuclear weapons? Of course. Keep in mind Iran is a hell of a lot closer to them than Iraq ever was, so should we overstretch our military even further? Occupy yet another country for an indefinate period of time?

Iran learned the "lesson" of Iraq/North Korea. Iraq didn't have Nuclear warheads, and was desprately trying to prove it (within the caveat above). North Korea openly stated that it had and tested Nuclear weapons and we're just negotiating with them, so obviously if you have nukes the world's last superpower won't dare invade your country. This is not a good "Lesson" to have taught the world.

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As far as Iraq helping Al Queada... AlQueada is a deeply religous group that has it in for any secular or non-muslim government. That includes Saudi Arabia, and the former (and current) regieme of Iraq. If Saddam helped Al Queada he was as likely to see that help come back to hit him as he was to see it go to Israel or anywhere overseas.

The typical mistake is in thinking that all the middle east is a single homogenous culture/religion/ etc. It's not, and the U.S. military is finding that out the hard way. The sectarian violence between the Shiia and the Suni is one of many cultural and religous fault lines in the middle east that were papered over by european colonialism. With the withdraw of the europeans, monarchs resumedpower, and totalitarians entered power to hold these completely artificial countries together. During the Cold War the U.S. supported these monarchs and warlords to keep the entire region from blowing up and making it easier for the Soviets to invade the oil rich countries once they had exhaused themselves. Right now we're seeing that all the duct-tape in the world can't contain the cultural and ideological differences. They've either got to work it out between themselves the way they hould have centuries ago, or wipe themselves out.

$0.02,

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RE: Iraq Had Something To Do With 9/11 - 8/23/2006 7:32:36 AM

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You know anyone still ignorant enough to believe that Osama and Saddam had ties probably aren't big readers, Dauric, or they would already know that.

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RE: Iraq Had Something To Do With 9/11 - 8/23/2006 7:34:39 AM

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Yeah, yeah, I know, I know.

It's depressing that people wallow in that kind of ignorance though.

$0.02,

Dauric.

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RE: Iraq Had Something To Do With 9/11 - 8/23/2006 7:37:05 AM

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ORIGINAL: Dauric

Yeah, yeah, I know, I know.

It's depressing that people wallow in that kind of ignorance though.

$0.02,

Dauric.

I am not sure that it's ignorance, so much as willful belief, faith-based politics, if you will. That is not something that can ever be weakened with facts or reason.

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RE: Iraq Had Something To Do With 9/11 - 8/23/2006 7:47:59 AM

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Willfull belief or faith-based politics is the "Why", wallowing in ignorance is the "What". Dogmatic faith is easier than rational thought, after all someone else has done it all for 'em, ad they don't need to do any of the thinking themselves.

And yeah, I know I'm tilting at windmills fighting against this wanton embrace of all things dogmatic.. but maybe, just maybe, I'll kick someone in the right place to get them to do the research and think for themselves.

*shrugs*

But as always that's just my $0.02,

Dauric.

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RE: Iraq Had ‘Nothing’ To Do With 9/11 - 8/23/2006 8:03:43 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chaingang

BUSH: and nobody has suggested in this administration that Saddam Hussein ordered the attack. Iraq was a — Iraq — the lesson of September 11th is take threats before they fully materialize, Ken. Nobody’s ever suggested that the attacks of September the 11th were ordered by Iraq.

I'm not sure, but I don't think he's lying. He's just saying no one ever said Iraq ordered the attack, which could quite well be true. He did not answer the question though.

Yours,

benji

I agree..... if nothing else Iraq allows the terrorists refuge in that country... I believe We need to strike first... not wait until the come into Our counrty and take more lives...or worse...

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RE: Iraq Had Something To Do With 9/11 - 8/23/2006 8:54:27 AM

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ORIGINAL: Dauric
And yeah, I know I'm tilting at windmills fighting against this wanton embrace of all things dogmatic.. but maybe, just maybe, I'll kick someone in the right place to get them to do the research and think for themselves.

I have noticed and admired that - you listen as well as speak, and try to avoid abject insults as your principal mode of exchange. Nothing like civil discourse... if you're not careful, it could even lead to understanding.

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RE: Iraq Had ‘Nothing’ To Do With 9/11 - 8/23/2006 8:57:33 AM

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Lynn,

How much fox news do you watch? Seriously, that is the last bastion of people who buy that line of bullshit, most other people have finally gotten their heads out of their ass and realized what the rest of us have know for fucking YEARS.

17 of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, the man who planned it is from Saudi Arabia, the financing of the attack and Al Queda comes from Saudi Arabia, Bin Laudin is from Saudi Arabia, explain to me again why we attacked Iraq where NONE of the hijackers were from, NONE of the planners were from, NONE of the money came from, and Al Queda and Bin Laudin wanted to overthrow Saddam not help him.

I am all for attacking first, but I have found it helps to attack the right person/place.

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RE: Iraq Had Something To Do With 9/11 - 8/23/2006 9:03:09 AM

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Fuck trying to understand idiots. I cannot grasp how people who bitch and moan about the UN being in NY and yet can't understand why someone in other country might object to the US military being on every streetcorner in their hometown.

Or how people can watch FOX and not see through the most amaturish propaganda or listen to Bush and not cringe that that moronic fool is running this country into the ground.

Republicans can't even run a third world country without making it worse and these fools have elected him to run ours, not once but twice!

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