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SusanofO -> RE: Male Doms should not have to work for a living. Discuss. (8/22/2006 8:16:09 AM)

Well, it seems most people expect men to work, while they don't always expect women to work. I am not sure this is fair. In any case, I do lots of volunteer work - well, maybe not lots - but more than the average person, probably. Some people don't see that as work, and to me it is so much fun, it's not, really, I guess. 

- Susan




meatcleaver -> RE: Male Doms should not have to work for a living. Discuss. (8/22/2006 8:23:47 AM)

I wouldn't say I think men should work and women not or at least shouldn't have to, a chance to be a lazy male that lunches while ones partner has a hard day on the building site or shipyard, would be a fine thing. I think I could get use to a life that has the sole aim of satisfying her on the occasions she has enough energy left to indulge in the pleasures of the flesh.




SusanofO -> RE: Male Doms should not have to work for a living. Discuss. (8/22/2006 8:25:26 AM)

Okay. Thanks for the reply! Although I am not sure I'd ever be working in a shipyard. I hate yardwork.

- Susan 




twicehappy -> RE: Male Doms should not have to work for a living. Discuss. (8/22/2006 8:42:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kinkiminx

I can't be one of those subs who says "whichever way my Dom chooses" whether I am happy with it or not, because as well as the need for power exchange most people have other needs too, and when it comes down to it people should be able to work with each other's needs if they're going to be together.


If Scooter and Jewel did not see to it that i have things i love to do as well as care for the house i would feel the same way. But when i wanted a garden they provided everything for it, if i want to race they have no objection and would offer support, i want to wrench, there are 2 builds and a restoration to do.

I am happily provided with the means to do those things i enjoy and i never have to ask or feel like i am begging for something. If we go to yard sales money is put in my pocket (even though I have some of my own I am not allowed to spend that), if we go shopping my things go in the cart without question. They pay attention and are usually one step ahead of me when it comes to seeing to it that i am provided for.

I know I am lucky and I am grateful they care so much; it is this kind of stuff that makes me comfortable with staying home.




stockingluvr54 -> RE: Male Doms should not have to work for a living. Discuss. (8/22/2006 8:55:50 AM)

Everyones situation is abit different so it's kind of hard to make a blanket statement. I think basically the situation helps determine who's doing what? Personally I think a relationship takes both parties to contribute....be it work a job if needed or work the home or what ever it takes to make the relationship/household function healthy? Imho.....a persons work ethic says alot about that persons character and ability to contribute equally? If the money is there....having a partner working around the home would be great....if not...an outside job is in order. Just like a normal relationship...ya do whatever it takes and if one party is slackin...adios!




popeye1250 -> RE: Male Doms should not have to work for a living. Discuss. (8/22/2006 9:05:32 AM)

Well, I'm in a totally different position than most people as I'm retired from the military.
Those types of jobs like "firefighter" and "Police Officer" and a few others are what's called "young men's jobs".
You don't see a lot of 50 year old or older firefighters or military people. The physical demands are just too tough.
When I was in the Navy and Coast Guard, we'd be gone for months sometimes at sea, living on a ship and working many hours per week sometimes 100 hours per week if we were on a rescue mission or other evolution.
My ship was in the Florida Straights in 1980 when Castro let out all the people in his jails in what they called the "Mariel Boatlift Operation." What a mess that was.
And we'd do "Haitian Migrant Interdiction Operations" and we were always on the lookout for drug smuggling.
Now, I enjoy my retirement which I earned through many years of hard work and long hours.
Financially, I really don't have to work. I still manage to save money most months and I have a few investments which are doing pretty well.
And yes Susan, Volunteering is working in my mind.
You are helping people and making our country a better place to live in! (I got a nice thankyou card from Father Flanagan's Girls and Boys Home yesterday.)
Now, that being said, if you're a younger Dom in your 30's and not financially independant I think you should be working.




MasterFireMaam -> RE: Male Doms should not have to work for a living. Discuss. (8/22/2006 9:17:36 AM)

I can see this being a viable option in a gay relationship, but in a het one...well...there's challenges. While we have made great advances towards equal pay, we must face the fact that women still do not have the overall earning power of men. So, you're average woman would not earn as much as the average man (Yes, I'm aware that there are VERY successful women...but how many women do YOU know that make a large salary?). This means that the household wouldn't be supported in the same financial way, or perhaps even in the same bracket, than if the male worked outside the home.

Of course, there is the whole idea of a harem of women all working outside the home to support the Dominant Male. It could work, but I'm betting he'd want at least one at home to entertain him, clean and cook during the day. I would if I were in that situation, I think.

Master Fire




t3nth0usandv0lts -> RE: Male Doms should not have to work for a living. Discuss. (8/22/2006 9:20:19 AM)

Please forgive my ignorance this once... but what is a sprong?




SalemWiK -> RE: Male Doms should not have to work for a living. Discuss. (8/22/2006 9:20:24 AM)

This seems like another "personal prefference" question. Personally, I've been unemployed the past two years because of a depression and a lack of job opertunities in this area; however, I have one rule. Please note this rule applys for me, and myself only, and that is follows: "I will not take a permenant slave until I am employed." Now this has nothing to do with the "Big Man must bring in the money" but more along the lines that I'm the kind of Dom whom, either with a submissive or a "little girl", rewards his pets with random gifts, toys or outfits. I could  "never" take their money - from them - to buy them their rewards. It's just not how I was raised.

Of course my belief is simple: A Dom should be civilised, and a Dom at all times. Why would the "Master" clean the house of his slave, while his slave worked? Furthermore why would the Mistress, or Domme, lower herself to being a "maid" and living on an allowance from the slave? Someone earlier brought up a break-up of Gender Rolls, well I don't see it as much as a Gender-roll as much as I do as a with the Dom/sub rolls. Now if it was a situation where you had a Dom(me)/Dom(me) relationship and one worked, while the other kept the house with the slave then.. By all means, but a Dom submitting to his/her slave? What are they going to do? Make the sub/slave bust their ass off for forty hours a week then make them clean the house ontop of their own chores? No, no.




MasterFireMaam -> RE: Male Doms should not have to work for a living. Discuss. (8/22/2006 9:31:43 AM)

Ummm...I don't know. If I used the term, it's a misspelling of something...but I don't see it in my answer. Am I missing it? We often see what we expect to see...and I don't expect to see "sprong".

Master Fire




SusanofO -> RE: Male Doms should not have to work for a living. Discuss. (8/22/2006 9:33:37 AM)

A sprong is a slang word for child (since we are not allowed to discuss anything having to do with kids here on the boards. It's against the rules). They are also referred to as "unmentionables" by some people. So, if you see that term, that is what they are referring to - kids.

- Susan




gentlethistle -> RE: Male Doms should not have to work for a living. Discuss. (8/22/2006 9:36:32 AM)

Sprong?  Or sprog?
The latter is commonly used in the UK, the former I've never heard or seen before in this or any other context.

Laura




t3nth0usandv0lts -> RE: Male Doms should not have to work for a living. Discuss. (8/22/2006 9:37:31 AM)

Understood, thank you ma'am.




SusanofO -> RE: Male Doms should not have to work for a living. Discuss. (8/22/2006 9:38:11 AM)

I didn't coin the term sprong. heartfelt sub used it, so maybe she will come back and answer.

- Susan




Rule -> RE: Male Doms should not have to work for a living. Discuss. (8/22/2006 9:42:05 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: t3nth0usandv0lts

Please forgive my ignorance this once... but what is a sprong?

There is at least one subject that is never refered to here, unless in oblique terms. Change the vowel to an i and it should be a 'little bit' clearer. (In fact, it may have been a typo - on my keyboard the i and the o are next to each other..)




stockingluvr54 -> RE: Male Doms should not have to work for a living. Discuss. (8/22/2006 9:45:45 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SusanofO

A sprong is a slang word for child (since we are not allowed to discuss anything having to do with kids here on the boards. It's against the rules). They are also referred to as "unmentionables" by some people. So, if you see that term, that is what they are referring to - kids.

- Susan


I just mentioned "unmentionables" in another post and I was reffering to underwear? Uh oh.....might have a few scratching their heads...oh well




Voltare -> RE: Male Doms should not have to work for a living. Discuss. (8/22/2006 10:01:59 AM)

Wow, the subject of this thread is definately a statement on par with nails on a chalkboard (or eating paper.)

Most of the responses, naturally, have been focused on the financial aspects of work for obvious reasons.  I'll touch on a couple non-financial issues.

First, strictly from the Ds context, one could argue that a submissive or slave would generally have a natural obligation to dedicate their lives to their owner/dominant.  This comes by widely varying degrees, so this should really only apply to those relationships where devotion is an expectation.  With this in mind, what value does this devotion have if the devoted is ultimately responsible for the well-being of the devotee?  This is all too common amonst male submissives and female dominants, best known as money slaves or financial domination.  From my own perspective, this seems to somehow be related to extremely poor self esteem, where the submissive feels they must somehow 'buy' themselves into the dominants good graces.

By contrast, there's seems to be a far more common dynamic amongst female submissives and male dominants, in that Ds is simply the modern incarnation of the Hunter/Gatherer instinct.  The male's responsibility as the larger, stronger sex translates into the successful businessman using his mind to acheive goals (translating into wealth and power.)  The hard working mechanic or factory worker, or construction worker too, demonstrates this dynamic, as the man goes to his employment, exerts a great deal of effort, and 'brings home the bread.' 

None of the scenerios I've mentioned actually reflect the financial requirements of living.  People tend to learn to live within their means, the power-businessman driving a Porsche, while the factory worker buys a new Ford.  There's no question that an entrepreneur, having lost his fortune and business due to any type of disaster could learn to drive a Ford.  So, the real question is - Why Work?

This is a more simple issue.  People who work are more likely to find satisfaction in their lives.  Work (in any form) provides social interaction opportunities, stability to ones daily life, and provides each and every person with a chance to contribute to a better society - directly and indirectly.  People who don't actually have employment for long periods usually have to find ways to fill each day, the traditional housewife doing charity work, child rearing, or otherwise involved in the local community.  People who don't fill their days constructively often times can become depressed, anti-social, and/or addicted to chemicals (alcohol, marijuana, etc.) 

The last point, of course, is work for a living.  The 'living' part is a basic necessity on the part of every person living within a social structure.  Everyone must eat, sleep, have shelter, clothing, and medical care.  No society would function if each member within refused to earn these necessities, but depended on others to provide it - thus the concept of the social contract comes into play.  The social contract, essentially, suggest that every person in their society must contribute, at minimum, what they take from it.  My contribution should never by passed to anyone else, so long as I am capable of it.  In capitalist societies, this comes in the form of work, with money being the end result.

So yes.  Male Doms should work for a living.

Stephan




gentlethistle -> RE: Male Doms should not have to work for a living. Discuss. (8/22/2006 10:11:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: t3nth0usandv0lts
Understood, thank you ma'am.
                                                               (in reply to gentlethistle)


Eh?




indybbwsubbie -> RE: Male Doms should not have to work for a living. Discuss. (8/22/2006 10:15:46 AM)

Sorry - i been thru the wringer last yr with a guy who was a wannabe dom - and couldn't handle his own finances.  Almost married him.  i believe that a Dom should be a leader - and have a submissive/slave that desires to serve ........not becuz the Dom is too lazy and just wants a meal ticket.  i think the same thing about submissives/slaves.  But hell - i am just an opinionated slave!!! 




Morsprofundis -> RE: Male Doms should not have to work for a living. Discuss. (8/22/2006 10:31:43 AM)

Question-do you want to be a dominant man, or a pimp, pander, ponce and all around slug?
The Master provides and administers, the slave works as instructed.
Or gets whipped and sent to bed hungry!




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