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spankmepink11 -> RE: Successful redirection?....or just plain weird? (8/25/2006 7:08:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: amayos There are levels and variations of pain that will taste like Hell, no matter your rerouting skills. That makes sense amayos, what in your opinion would be an example of that.

KnightofMists -> RE: Successful redirection?....or just plain weird? (8/25/2006 7:56:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Slipstream, what the hell causes Charlie Horses anyway? A stud with a good libido

Slipstreme -> RE: Successful redirection?....or just plain weird? (8/25/2006 8:31:54 PM)
quote: A stud with a good libido I so wish that were the case..........

marieToo -> RE: Successful redirection?....or just plain weird? (8/25/2006 9:49:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: spankmepink11 There have been many threads regarding pain, and peoples relationship with it. Once i discovered that there were many types of pain that i could enjoy and gain pleasure from,, i found i began to wonder about the possibility of enjoying other types of pain as well. I'm not referring to self induced pain, but more of the "incidental" type. I've experimented with the concept now and then just out of curiousity, but just the other day i felt like i had reached an exciting breakthrough in this area. I was doing some work on my pool, there is a large flowering bush next to it...and i've been having to skim the surface to remove the tiny seemingly endless buds. I was going back and forth skimming...when my shin came into contact with one of the aluminum struts (it's a large above ground pool). Needless to say...a sharp rap to the shins is not what most would consider pleasureable and at that point neither did i. I'm not sure if it was the unlevel ground...but each time i passed over a particular strut i seemed to knock that exact same spot on my shin. By the time i was finished, i had been concentrating so hard on letting that pain flow through me, that i was actually able to enjoy it...and was almost aroused by it. That includes the accompanying hot painful throb. I suppose what i'm asking is: Can incidental pain be channeled into pleasure? And are there others who are successful at it? OR....Am i just a hopelessly weird type of masochist? I dont know about the physical aspect of pain being redirected, though I have certainly heard accounts of the various ways that some type of pleasureable stimulis can be applied while pain is being administered thereby creating a reassociation of sorts. Ive never experienced it, but I could understand how it could be possible. Ive certainly experienced my fair share of physical pain, but never where it felt pleasurable for me. I have at times, with someone that I was in submission to, been able to turn emotional pain that they have put me through into pleasure. I dont mean the kind of pain you feel when you are heartbroken. I mean the kind of emotional frustration that comes from being ignored or not being allowed to speak my mind, or having to stifle something and swallow my pride. I have to dig really really deep for it, but Ive learned to get to a place where I can process that type of pain as pleasure. At times being masochistic can be a blessing, because we have the unique ability to turn 'hurt' into pleasure, and it can almost serve as a type of self preservation.

Slipstreme -> RE: Successful redirection?....or just plain weird? (8/25/2006 10:23:37 PM)
Physically that association works much the same way. However, being able to take more physical pain does not equate being indestructable. It just means you can keep pushing onward. However, the physical ramifications, if taken too far, can end you in more trouble than it is worth. I can't deal with emotional pain. I crumble. It takes having to remove myself from the picture and vent somewhere to deal with it. I know I have a lot of work to do with it too.

marieToo -> RE: Successful redirection?....or just plain weird? (8/25/2006 10:36:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Slipstreme Physically that association works much the same way. However, being able to take more physical pain does not equate being indestructable. It just means you can keep pushing onward. However, the physical ramifications, if taken too far, can end you in more trouble than it is worth. I can't deal with emotional pain. I crumble. It takes having to remove myself from the picture and vent somewhere to deal with it. I know I have a lot of work to do with it too. Well, yeah, me too. Im not saying that it's easy or that it works like a charm every time, but it can and has helped me at times. I crumble a bit too, first I get mad, then I cry, then I calm down and remind myself that its my job to absorb whatever he wants to inflict upon me. At that point of acceptance, the frustration gives way to a more peaceful and compliant feeling. Its hard work, but if I dont get myself to that place, I continue to suffer.

amayos -> RE: Successful redirection?....or just plain weird? (8/25/2006 10:50:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: spankmepink11 quote: ORIGINAL: amayos There are levels and variations of pain that will taste like Hell, no matter your rerouting skills. That makes sense amayos, what in your opinion would be an example of that. There are many designs, but I feel it's wise to refrain from mentioning them. A horse crop taken at full blow to the bottoms of one's feet tends to be difficult to deny, however.

Tamerofwild1s -> RE: Successful redirection?....or just plain weird? (8/26/2006 7:35:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Slipstreme I dont know. I just know there was a period in time where I was getting them 2-3 times a month, once 3 in a row, 1 each night. I think it is poor nutrition, either not enough potassium or not enough vitamin E (from what I've heard). Could also be maybe laying in one spot all night, maybe a bad matress. Once I'm on my back or stomach when I go to sleep, I don't move. Might also be over-exercising them. Last night I did a long lower body exercise session. (I use my masochism to my advantage, pushing it till muscular exhaustion). Although I have heard this is not the case, and there are even stretches you can do to loosen a charliehorse and get the pain to go away. You just have to deal with the added pain of the stretch on a cramped muscle, which would turn some people off of doing them. What I don't get is with every possible way to cramp yourself. charliehorses seem to be the most painful. actually charlie horses are over exerted muscles I think they are also dehydrated which happens during physical exercising this is why some athletes take creatine as it expands the muscle cells and allows more water into them so that they heal better without the pain of charlie horses ..

Tamerofwild1s -> RE: Successful redirection?....or just plain weird? (8/26/2006 7:43:19 AM)
spankme to your original question .. I often use redirection when training a girl on accepting more and more pain .. ie: touching her clit or playing with her nipples during a hard session ... I get her associating the pain with something pleasureable to her so that she can mix the pain with the pleasure .. even a light touching of the my hands in a sensual way or sliding my fingers in and out of her mouth can sometimes help her redirect the pain of a crop or paddle. Suddenly she starts craving pain as it redirects into something that makes her extremely wet.

spankmepink11 -> RE: Successful redirection?....or just plain weird? (8/26/2006 8:12:01 AM)
The "pleasure association" concept makes perfect sense. I feel like i did, consciously, take my mind to the place where i knew i would find the pain pleasureable. But i really haven't received the redirection "training" through association in actual play often enough to make an impact. As in the example given by Tamer and others (sorry...can't remember who else mentioned it). Did i just eliminate the middle man by not having to conjure up the image of other types of stimulation?(.ie...clitoril, nipple..etc..)

Slipstreme -> RE: Successful redirection?....or just plain weird? (8/26/2006 10:08:24 AM)
quote: actually charlie horses are over exerted muscles I think they are also dehydrated which happens during physical exercising this is why some athletes take creatine as it expands the muscle cells and allows more water into them so that they heal better without the pain of charlie horses .. I have creatine and plan on starting to take it. The problem is though, mine happen, randomly, at night, while laying in bed, not during or after exercise. Usually, they happened on days I didn't exercise. spank, I really don't get pleasureable stimuli during a pain scene. It is also not my real pupose for wanting the scene. It's usually pain and pain only. People are different in their ability to redirect. Pleasureable stimuli isn't always needed.

Tamerofwild1s -> RE: Successful redirection?....or just plain weird? (8/26/2006 10:11:28 AM)
slipsteme you may be suffering something else entirely . this may be associated with RLS or restless leg syndrome. I got them as a child from growth spurts .... it could also bea deficientcy in Iron too .. my want to check with a Dr. about it

Slipstreme -> RE: Successful redirection?....or just plain weird? (8/26/2006 10:13:36 AM)
Glad I'm no longer a vegetarian. I know I need to see a doc about it, I just haven't done so. I've been getting them since I was about 10.

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