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Complaining Dom - 8/23/2006 3:38:35 PM   
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What is a slave do when her 24/7 Dom begins to come home only to greet her with daily negative mindsets of grumbling and complaining and constantly seeing the glass half empty?  There is always talk of how a Dom or Domme retrains or reconditions a sub/slave in this aspect, but what about when it is the Dom/Domme who is in need of such? 
 
My subbie gal pal who is married to her Dom of 4 years is in this predicament.  Nothing she says or does seems to bring him out of his negativity, and it is hard for her to assert herself for during the times she has tried to talk to him, he made her feel like she was undermining his authority.  Just thought i would put it out to you all to see if anyone has dealt with this before and how they have managed to still keep the respect and the power dynamic intact, etc. 
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RE: Complaining Dom - 8/23/2006 3:46:45 PM   
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I'm thinking perhaps a little more information is needed.

If she is part of the negativity (the rest of my life sucks and so do you), then it would seem as if the relationship is in trouble.  She needs to somehow get to the heart of it, and to find a positive solution to the dilemna.  Possibly counseling, but she needs to take an active role in recovering the situation.

If she isn't part of the negativity (the rest of my life sucks but I'm OK with you, just don't try and fix me), then there are obviously other stressors going on in his life.  The simplistic response would be that this is a phase, it will pass, and be supportive while it is happening.  Allowing her submission to be in a service mode would be useful, but bashing him over the head with it sounds as if it would be counterproductive.  Be quiet, be efficient, be useful, allow him to discover and appreciate her through his hard time.

Just my take on things.  Hope this helps.

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RE: Complaining Dom - 8/23/2006 3:47:36 PM   
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It is hard to imagine that she didn't notice this about him from the beginning. Or is this something that just recently cropped up? It is clear that he isn't interested in her help, so I don't know what she can do. It sounds like he is basically a negative type person who is comfortable being that way.

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RE: Complaining Dom - 8/23/2006 4:01:57 PM   
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He could be depressed, clinically depressed and that can build up over time or happen slowly.

Your friend needs to let go of some of her ideas of what it means to be a submissive and think about being a partner. A partner who wants what is healthiest and best for the other partner. She should try to just address it directly by sitting down with him and saying I've noticed that you've become more negative lately. Please tell me what is going on.

If he won't or can't she should strongly suggest therapy not just for him but as a couple a way to help her help him help himself and not place everything onto him. A person who is depressed doesn't need that pressure and when we are in relationships, the person does effect us even if we wish they didn't or try to remay untouched.

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RE: Complaining Dom - 8/23/2006 4:20:42 PM   
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quote:

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What is a slave do when her 24/7 Dom begins to come home only to greet her with daily negative mindsets of grumbling and complaining and constantly seeing the glass half empty?  There is always talk of how a Dom or Domme retrains or reconditions a sub/slave in this aspect, but what about when it is the Dom/Domme who is in need of such? 
 
My subbie gal pal who is married to her Dom of 4 years is in this predicament.  Nothing she says or does seems to bring him out of his negativity, and it is hard for her to assert herself for during the times she has tried to talk to him, he made her feel like she was undermining his authority.  Just thought i would put it out to you all to see if anyone has dealt with this before and how they have managed to still keep the respect and the power dynamic intact, etc. 



I could offer an easy retort and ask what's a Dom to do when the submissive does the same? I would gather they attempt to get to the root of the problem and offer some reassurance. However, this is a decidedly different scenario because your friend is attempting to apply her solution to his problem. Perhaps he doesn't wish for her to say or do anything. Haven't we all vented and unloaded on someone from time to time? Ask a close friend how often she's heard you cry or complain. Many times there is little they can say or do to improve our disposition because that isn't what we desire. It could be possible that he simply wants her to listen and do nothing. This is the hardest lesson to learn in relationships. Sometimes we aren't meant to fix, help, or comfort. Our presence is the salve the other party needs.

She needs to stop internalizing his angst and frustration. We have all been in the company of someone in this state and learn how to shield ourselves so we are not mirroring the words and actions they display. I think counseling should be an option if this is a long standing problem. However, at present the best reassurance she can give is her support and ear. The only questions I would pose is how the situation could be resolved or improved from his point of view. In other words, asking what he needs might yield an honest answer.

I wonder if he has really made her feel that she's undermining his authority, or is it more along the the lines that she cannot help and that leaves her feeling disheartened. Life is far from simple and moments like this are most unpleasant. While his negativity may be painful for her to watch, I would be more concerned if he failed to speak and remained silent instead. If this isn't a typical pattern in his behavior and is truly out of character, I would gather he's making the best of a bad situation and reaching out to his submissive in the way he knows how.

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RE: Complaining Dom - 8/23/2006 4:48:54 PM   
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If she has tried repeatedly to address his problem and he refuses to even discuss it with her, disallowing her to be a soft place to land, sucking the energy from not only his own life, but hers as well she needs to get help for herself.

If someone is with a person that is depressed (and it sounds like this could possibly be the case) it becomes their issue too. She needs to perhaps seek therapy outside the relationship so it does not impact her so negatively as to cause her to be depressed too. A kink friendly therapist could be her biggest ally in keeping up her own spirits and it may end up helping him in the long run too.

Being submissive does not mean being codependent. Putting up with someone that is always depressed and unwilling to help themselves is not being submissive, it is being codependent in my opinion.

Just my thoughts.

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RE: Complaining Dom - 8/23/2006 5:16:40 PM   
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dear raking,
first :,to be a perfect sex object; try loosing your ego ;
it is cumbersome when you try to be the universal best slave sex object ,IN BED.A STICK - SHIFT MAY BEAT YOU OUT OF YOUR PLACE....IN BED! YOU DON'T WANT THAT;do you?
SECOND :, IF BASIC NEEDS ARE NOT FILLED FIRST; no higher motives are possible; like love ;sacrifice; etc,so try feeding him,or making sure there's food; transportation; money ;privacy ;clothes;etc
*most of all: it's,so funny how you dare ,to say"train a top"?, &, " a 24/7 domme ? ? ";
i really think you mean a ridgid -top who never switches;a top don't have to be there 24/7(long-story)....
There's a book called:
dealing with negative people ,in the self-help ,and psychology-sections ,of the book stores ;ask the info.- desk,or customer service.
personally:
i would find out first ,
then dump them,
way before a serious S and M- relationship ;
you're excused ,if you were "desperate" ,of course;any port in a storm;
there's a saying:
2 people can tell the same joke, but ,it's all in the 'DELIVERY';
so......NEXT TIME SOMEONE RECOMMENDS A TOP SAY: "GOT DELIVERY"?
( or ya ',but .... is it the kind ,with no DELIVERY?)
,ANYWAY: it ,may also be ,inexperience ;
SICKNESS,
or general dislike ....
lack of repsect for you ,especially as a "slave"CAN BE DELIVERED 2 WAYS:

THERE'S LACK OF RESPECT EXPECTED FOR ONE who is THEORETICALLY ,always READY ;WILLING ,AND ,able ; liking ,to be cuckold ,and humilated; insulted ,in constant intimate terms (24/7)which is a matter of implied or given mutual-CONSCIOUS- consent, between adults; 
but ,if it's:constant  dump on you, as something less, than a slave ,with a rep. ,and, an image ,as a prized ;owned; kept - slave ;who is being devalued, in the slave-role;AND PATRONIZED ;trust me:it IS illegal;
you have rites ,as a slave ,or a person,
NOT TO BE PATRONIZED!....its even written in the human bill of rites some place
my educated opinion is:
well -
you can always say:
fuk -a'-uuuuuuuuuu!!!!!!!!!!!,and, i'm outta' here! ,
CAUSE:, if you're no slave ,that's no g.d. top, EITHER!;
why waste time, with a clumsy; no-delivery type;so-called top? ,thats not un- LIKE A CONSTANT HEADACHE ,AND, CONSTANTLY CHOOSING NO ASPRIN ,OR REMEDY.
STAY ,W/abusive mates, that can't deliver ,on a good day?! ;
life IS short;
there's a suffering top out there ,without the perfect slave to be laid under;
who ,maybe ,going to jail ,cause, basically:they did'nt pick a slave, to deliver to, or ,at least one, that consented.
there's a huge world full of potentials ,with too little time;....even simple mathmatics can tell you the infinate possibilites ,and, the very finite-time ,in more realistic;more  logical terms.

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RE: Complaining Dom - 8/23/2006 5:38:27 PM   
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...seems somebody's having a bad day!  <shakes head>

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RE: Complaining Dom - 8/23/2006 5:50:18 PM   
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Whew, that last post was definitely a little hard to read and grasp to the fullest.  Sorry jamesthehumanrug, but DANG you have rambling fingers when you type.

I might be wrong here, but I'm betting on that I'm not.  James, I don't think that she was literally meaning to "train" the Dom in her (her friend, not hers...though there always is that whole my "friend" has this problemthing, so who knows) friend's relationship.  I think she was meaning more a way to help pull that person out of their negativity through a certain kind of method, much like may Dom/mes do with submissives.  I don't believe that this particular line of though is trainable, it's more helping the person feel more comfortable, like with negativity toward's one's figure for example.  Complementing them and so forth.

And as for the whole "dumping them"comment.  I do believe that she said that her friend was -married- to this Dom and has been for 4 years, so I think we're pretty much assuming it's a serious relationship let alone a serious D/s relationship.

Also, although we don't have the full spectrum of information on the particular grumblings of said Dom, I'm not getting the impression so far from the OP that it has anything to do with the submissive and her service and/or relationship with the Dom.

What it sounds like to me is that He is coming home, presumably from work and having bad days and is feeling rather down about them.  And I well know, as I'm sure most of us do, sometimes that can temper us when it comes to other aspects of our lives.  Little things upset us easier, we might react as though something is the end of the world and it will never get resolved,or you'llnever get ahead, etc etc.  We as humans, let things get to us when we get into funks, and hey, even sometimes even we realize at the time that we're overreacting, but for some reason don't feel that there's a way to change that.  At least for the time being.

Like someone said above, it could be a phase.  Hey, it might not be.  Men have imbalances as well as females, they get into moods sometimes as well.  Unless he is willing to be a little more forthcoming with what is truly bothering him, or even willing to recognize that something really IS bothering him, I see little that the girl can do aside be there for him, lending a quiet ear.  She shouldn't push him too hard into talking, if it's not something he's ready to do.  Sometimes people need a little time to work things out in their own heads before being able to really form into words what it is that is going on.

Her best bet is to buck up, be as strong as she can and be as supportive as possible, taking note of the little things, perhaps doing something very nice for him that he in the past has appreciated with no notice to him, small surprises.  That might help him turn his moods around.  Perhaps starting the day a bit better in the mornings before work to try to put him in a better mood to face the day.  Quiet words of support and love are great, but she shouldn't over do it, don't get super-lovey and smother him with kindness.  That can get annoying, especially to someone who is not in a good mood.

And when the time comes, hopefully he will be able to voice better what is going on, and once they can sit down and talk it out, perhaps things will get better, or perhaps like others have said, therapy might be a thought.


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RE: Complaining Dom - 8/23/2006 6:18:39 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: raiken
What is a slave do when her 24/7 Dom begins to come home only to greet her with daily negative mindsets of grumbling and complaining and constantly seeing the glass half empty?  There is always talk of how a Dom or Domme retrains or reconditions a sub/slave in this aspect, but what about when it is the Dom/Domme who is in need of such? 
 
My subbie gal pal who is married to her Dom of 4 years is in this predicament.  Nothing she says or does seems to bring him out of his negativity, and it is hard for her to assert herself for during the times she has tried to talk to him, he made her feel like she was undermining his authority.  Just thought i would put it out to you all to see if anyone has dealt with this before and how they have managed to still keep the respect and the power dynamic intact, etc. 


In my opinion, it has to do with money, or he doesn't want to be in the relationship he is now in (whether that is the married one, or an illicit one she is unaware of may be a question to ask).  If both of those are not an issue, then he is just having a bad day at work.

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RE: Complaining Dom - 8/23/2006 6:26:20 PM   
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It could be depression or problems at work.

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RE: Complaining Dom - 8/24/2006 2:16:18 AM   
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It comes down to communication. If there is scope for the girl to sit down with her Master and freely explain how she is percieving the situation then maybe there is scope for Him taking the situation in hand and working with her to improve it. (If he is over stressed or maybe depressed then maybe he isn't seeing the situation clearly. If He can be got to see it, one hopes he would step up as her Master and take up the responcibility for working toward improving matters)

If there is no scope for communication, then just like any kind of relationship when communication breaks down, they got a big fucking problem that is quite likely to lead toward a parting of the ways unless some way to get that communication back can be found.


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RE: Complaining Dom - 8/24/2006 2:42:48 AM   
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I think tammyjo has some good thoughts.  She needs to start thinking like a partner who wants what's best for her partner.  I know it is sometimes very hard to let go of one's ideas of what is or is not submissive, but sometimes we all gotta do what we gotta do.

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RE: Complaining Dom - 8/24/2006 5:36:23 AM   
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From the little information given, it could be a multitude of personal problems not related to the subs performance or BDSM at all.

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RE: Complaining Dom - 8/24/2006 6:04:10 AM   
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IMHO, people who complain about others have self-esteem and avoidance issues.  If youre always complaining about someone else, isnt that a form of degradation to make himself feel better about who you are?  And, if he is always concerned with someone else's behaviors, then he has no time to look at himself. 

Peronsally, I see no solution here except to both getting counselling and if he refuses, I'd call it quits.  Hopefully, there are no children mixed up in all this mess.

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RE: Complaining Dom - 8/24/2006 6:52:33 AM   
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We get this question froms subs all the time- how do I go from all the tension at work to focusing on my home life? 



The first response is of course to make the person aware that this is an issue.  A good way to do that would be during dinner talk or pillow talk to just say "I feel like when you get home and are all negative that it takes away a lot of good time and fun we could be having and I'd like to know what I can do to help make that transition easier for you so we can enjoy the time we have."



One thing to note- subs often feel an unnecessary sense of needing to fix things and make it all better (so do doms BTW)  Her dom might JUST be venting, but she perceives negativity and wants to rush and make it better.  Sometimes people just need ten minutes to vent and then it's done and they are ready to get going with the next thing.  She should examine whether she's perceiving something by how it really is, or by her own sense of needing perfection.  She should also ask him if that is what he's doing, and again, ask him if he has any particular suggestions.



She's been married to him for 4 years, this didn't just start and it won't just stop.  It can indeed be difficult to get someone out of their rut and help them, specially if they can shut the other person down.  But I think if she approached it with a clear "I want us to be enjoying our time together more and work through it" attitude, then it would at least set him up to be as receptive to change as possible.



It might also be as simple as her NOT being around him for the first half hour when he gets home. She doesn't have to be directly part of the negativity, and he has the time he needs to do whatever he wants to make the transition and move on. 





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RE: Complaining Dom - 8/25/2006 10:13:09 AM   
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Update:  Thank you for all your contributions, this couple has been one of my best support teams through some of my most difficult times over the last couple of years.  So what im about to share hurts me deeply for both of them.  i had felt along the same lines as many of you.  i had suggested to get counseling, and also shared with her i thought he may even be cheating on her... 
 
Well, she is a mess now, after discovering the real truth.  Sometime ago, about two years before he married her, he had a relationship with a submissive man.  He was in love with this man, but never could tell anyone, so he lived with this secret, and as it festered, it became a darkened secret within his soul that fostered private torment.  He tried to deny this part of himself and thought if he married his best friend, that he could heal himself, for he thought he was sick.  For he comes from a fundamentalist christian background, whose base belief system is that his being gay is of the devil. *sigh*  Come to find out that it is this other man that has popped back up into her husbands life, several months ago, after many years of being apart without contact. So her husband has confessed this to her, and they both are deeply hurting.   There is so much pain on both sides, and they have two small children, and his family is very much against him now for he broke down and confessed it to both his family and hers.  Her family is more open and accepting, but his family has shut him out as an outcast who is heading for hell. *sigh*
 
i have heard of this type of situation happening before, what with men telling their wives after years of marraige that they want a sex change, etc., there have even been documentaries about it.  Not easy for many to accept.  It is so sad, that i can't help writing about it here.  i feel for both of them, and then i feel for the young family that will be split apart for a time until things can be worked out and hearts healed.  Thank you for reading.
 
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RE: Complaining Dom - 8/25/2006 10:30:08 AM   
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You deal with these things by listening sympathetically, and offering alternatives that may help ease the tensions that are creating the negative outlook.

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RE: Complaining Dom - 8/25/2006 11:22:40 AM   
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Al Pacino, Dog Day Afternoon.......

Wow, that's a crappy situation.  Gretchen was in a relationship right before we met for three years with a guy who turned out to be gay.  I live in Chile, and catholism is very strong here, with many laws patterned after catholic beliefs.  Divorce was not legal until just three years ago.  The stigma of anti-homosexuality is terrible, in any form or country, because it not only sends people into hiding, where they end up miserable, but also causes them to try to live 'normal' but unsatisfying lives.  Here, they're called 'moztaceros' (Mustard Men in English.)  They get married, have children, and in all ways appear 100% heterosexual.  They also live double lives, visiting gay discoteques (while pretending to be away on business) and have clandenstine relationships.  Lives are destroyed when his double life is found out, especially if he contracts AIDS (as condoms are against catholic doctrine, and the suggestion to wear a condom with his wife would be highlly suspicious.)

Oh, I -was- going to say that complaining and unhappiness occurs in all relationships.  It's usually just a phase, part of depression, and not a Ds related matter so much as a relationship matter.  Discussing the problem can be difficult, but takes a lot of love and support.

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RE: Complaining Dom - 9/8/2006 9:08:31 PM   
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