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stormiKnightBEAR -> RE: Flaming and mean attitudes (1/2/2005 6:34:44 PM)

LOL... thank you for the laugh!!!!


This girl is still chuckling at that statement!


stormi
property of Master Bear




lilninotchka -> RE: Flaming and mean attitudes (1/2/2005 8:05:12 PM)

This entire thing is precisely why i almost never post here anymore. i do see the meaness and rudeness of which the original poster speaks. Many responses are simply rude...for no apparent reason other than the poster doesn't agree with the other poster. It seems that the majority here doesn't care that they are rude or else doesn't see being called names/put down/whatever as rude. i do and so i choose not to participate here for the most part. i participate in other forums on other sites where the majority does not seem to hold that same opinion of rudeness, etc in the threads. Telling people to 'get a thicker skin' or 'grow up' or whatever else does not excuse the original rudeness, in my opinion...and so i keep my opinions to myself most of the time. That way, i am very sure i will not get hurt by anyone who does not see or care about the insensitivity of their rudeness/meaness.

i don't generally participate in any sort of 'rant' post either...so here's the exception. Sorry about that...:)




ShadeDiva -> RE: Flaming and mean attitudes (1/2/2005 8:42:00 PM)

I will say that I *am* noticing a definite trend of rudeness and immaturity that was not present here even as little as 6 months ago.

I *do* consider a few of the posts in this thread as pretty insulting, and for no apparent reason other than to be needlessly harsh - it did not add anything of value to the discussion, but derailed it and lessened whatever value was there and was really just putting down the poster, just for putting down's sake.

I *have* a thick skin, I'm not "Mrs. PC", and to be quite honest I think some posts were just about the authors being flat out assholes just to be assholes in this thread.

That's my opinion and I'll assume those being assholes have a thick enough skin to deal with the fact that I called them as I saw them behaving, like spoiled little brats being much like playground bullies. *smile*

I must say I am seeing a trend of CM posts being less enjoyable. I'm hoping it's just those people having their little spurt of monthly hormone upheavals (and yes that goes for males too).

Being blunt and honest doesn't equate being a rude, tactless toad, or being a insulting flamer. You *could* get the points you wanted to get out in a mature and positive fashion, why those that chose to do so in a negative way decided to be lazy and throw out something childish rather than their normal well rounded posts is beyond me.

That being said I do agree in general with Estring, that *usually* what surfaces around here is as he said, but I'm seeing folks like him and a few others post less and less (prolly recharging and dealing with their real life stuff - we all take time off from the boards after all, well most of us lol). I think if you look at the newest posts lately and compare them what we were seeing like last April, the tone is indeed much different. I don't think it is as much about being PC as much as cliques are beginning to slowly form on CM. I enjoy non PC posts to a certain point. I wouldn't enjoy a pro-Klan post for example, and its not cuz I want to be PC.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I too am noticing a trend of CM feeling less pleasant to newcomers. Perhaps I'm being overly sensitive, but then again, I might not be either.

Then again, this *is* JMO.

Take it or leave it, I really don't care which. lol

~ShadeDiva




MistressDREAD -> RE: Flaming and mean attitudes (1/2/2005 9:07:22 PM)

quote:

I know I have a certain way of talking and getting to the point. A bit abrupt. However, that is me. Those who befriend me understand this and know this. Nobody on collarme has ever angered me enough yet for me to truly get frustrated. Although many of them think they have.

That Makes Two of Us.......................

flaming:
To make insulting criticisms or remarks, to incite anger.
mean:
Cruel, spiteful, or malicious.
attitude:
An arrogant or hostile state of mind or disposition
DAMN, if I dident know better I would SWEAR that most of these definitions go hand and hand with those of a Sadist, or a Humiliationist........ last I heard BOTH a ACCEPTED part of OUR Alternate Lifestyles.............

Let Me tell a little ditty of a story..........................
quote:

the man who claimed to be the nation's leader had not been elected by a majority vote first off and the majority of citizens claimed he had no right to the powers he coveted. He was a simpleton, some said, a cartoon character of a man who saw things in black-and-white terms and didn't have the intellect to understand the subtleties of running a nation in a complex and internationalist world and over zealous. His coarse use of language - reflecting his political roots in a southernmost state - and his simplistic and often-inflammatory nationalistic rhetoric offended the aristocrats, foreign leaders, and the well-educated elite in the government and media. And, as a young man, he'd joined a secret society with an occult-sounding name and bizarre initiation rituals that involved skulls and human bones.

Nonetheless, he knew the terrorist was going to strike (although he didn't know where or when), and he had already considered his response. When an aide brought him word that the nation's most prestigious building was ablaze, he verified it was the terrorist who had struck and then rushed to the scene and called a press conference.

"You are now witnessing the beginning of a great epoch in history," he proclaimed, standing in front of the burned-out building, surrounded by national media. "This fire," he said, his voice trembling with emotion, "is the beginning." He used the occasion - "a sign from God," he called it - to declare an all-out war on terrorism and its ideological sponsors, a people, he said, who traced their origins to the Middle East and found motivation for their evil deeds in their religion.

Two weeks later, the first detention center for terrorists was built in Oranianberg to hold the first suspected allies of the infamous terrorist. In a national outburst of patriotism, the leader's flag was everywhere, even printed large in newspapers suitable for window display.

Within four weeks of the terrorist attack, the nation's now-popular leader had pushed through legislation - in the name of combating terrorism and fighting the philosophy he said spawned it - that suspended constitutional guarantees of free speech, privacy, and habeas corpus. Police could now intercept mail and wiretap phones; suspected terrorists could be imprisoned without specific charges and without access to their lawyers; police could sneak into people's homes without warrants if the cases involved terrorism.

To get his patriotic "Decree on the Protection of People and State" passed over the objections of concerned legislators and civil libertarians, he agreed to put a 4-year sunset provision on it: if the national emergency provoked by the terrorist attack was over by then, the freedoms and rights would be returned to the people, and the police agencies would be re-restrained. Legislators would later say they hadn't had time to read the bill before voting on it.

Immediately after passage of the anti-terrorism act, his federal police agencies stepped up their program of arresting suspicious persons and holding them without access to lawyers or courts. In the first year only a few hundred were interred, and those who objected were largely ignored by the mainstream press, which was afraid to offend and thus lose access to a leader with such high popularity ratings. Citizens who protested the leader in public - and there were many - quickly found themselves confronting the newly empowered police's batons, gas, and jail cells, or fenced off in protest zones safely out of earshot of the leader's public speeches. (In the meantime, he was taking almost daily lessons in public speaking, learning to control his tonality, gestures, and facial expressions. He became a very competent orator.)

Within the first months after that terrorist attack, at the suggestion of a political advisor, he brought a formerly obscure word into common usage. He wanted to stir a "racial pride" among his countrymen, so, instead of referring to the nation by its name, he began to refer to it as "The Homeland," a phrase publicly promoted in the introduction speech recorded in Leni Riefenstahl's famous propaganda movie "Triumph Of The Will." As hoped, people's hearts swelled with pride, and the beginning of an us-versus-them mentality was sewn. Our land was "the" homeland, citizens thought: all others were simply foreign lands. We are the "true people," he suggested, the only ones worthy of our nation's concern; if bombs fall on others, or human rights are violated in other nations and it makes our lives better, it's of little concern to us as we are better.

Playing on this new nationalism, and exploiting a disagreement with the French over his increasing militarism, he argued that any international body that didn't act first and foremost in the best interest of his own nation was neither relevant nor useful. He thus withdrew his country from the League Of Nations in October, and then negotiated a separate naval armaments agreement with Anthony Eden of The United Kingdom to create a worldwide military ruling elite.

His propaganda minister orchestrated a campaign to ensure the people that he was a deeply religious man and that his motivations were rooted in Christianity. He even proclaimed the need for a revival of the Christian faith across his nation, what he called a "New Christianity." Every man in his rapidly growing army wore a belt buckle that declared "Gott Mit Uns" - God Is With Us - and most of them fervently believed it was true.

Within a year of the terrorist attack, the nation's leader determined that the various local police and federal agencies around the nation were lacking the clear communication and overall coordinated administration necessary to deal with the terrorist threat facing the nation, particularly those citizens who were of Middle Eastern ancestry and thus probably terrorist and communist sympathizers, and various troublesome "intellectuals" and "liberals." He proposed a single new national agency to protect the security of the homeland, consolidating the actions of dozens of previously independent police, border, and investigative agencies under a single leader.

He appointed one of his most trusted associates to be leader of this new agency, the Central Security Office for the homeland, and gave it a role in the government equal to the other major departments.

His assistant who dealt with the press noted that, since the terrorist attack, "Radio and press are at out disposal." Those voices questioning the legitimacy of their nation's leader, or raising questions about his checkered past, had by now faded from the public's recollection as his central security office began advertising a program encouraging people to phone in tips about suspicious neighbors. This program was so successful that the names of some of the people "denounced" were soon being broadcast on radio stations. Those denounced often included opposition politicians and celebrities who dared speak out - a favorite target of his regime and the media he now controlled through intimidation and ownership by corporate allies.

To consolidate his power, he concluded that government alone wasn't enough. He reached out to industry and forged an alliance, bringing former executives of the nation's largest corporations into high government positions. A flood of government money poured into corporate coffers to fight the war against the Middle Eastern ancestry terrorists lurking within the homeland, and to prepare for wars overseas. He encouraged large corporations friendly to him to acquire media outlets and other industrial concerns across the nation, particularly those previously owned by suspicious people of Middle Eastern ancestry. He built powerful alliances with industry; one corporate ally got the lucrative contract worth millions to build the first large-scale detention center for enemies of the state. Soon more would follow. Industry flourished.

But after an interval of peace following the terrorist attack, voices of dissent again arose within and without the government. Students had started an active program opposing him (later known as the White Rose Society), and leaders of nearby nations were speaking out against his bellicose rhetoric. He needed a diversion, something to direct people away from the corporate cronyism being exposed in his own government, questions of his possibly illegitimate rise to power, and the oft-voiced concerns of civil libertarians about the people being held in detention without due process or access to attorneys or family.

With his number two man - a master at manipulating the media - he began a campaign to convince the people of the nation that a small, limited war was necessary. Another nation was harboring many of the suspicious Middle Eastern people, and even though its connection with the terrorist who had set afire the nation's most important building was tenuous at best, it held resources their nation badly needed if they were to have room to live and maintain their prosperity. He called a press conference and publicly delivered an ultimatum to the leader of the other nation, provoking an international uproar. He claimed the right to strike preemptively in self-defense, and nations across Europe - at first - denounced him for it, pointing out that it was a doctrine only claimed in the past by nations seeking worldwide empire, like Caesar's Rome or Alexander's Greece.

It took a few months, and intense international debate and lobbying with European nations, but, after he personally met with the leader of the United Kingdom, finally a deal was struck. After the military action began, Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain told the nervous British people that giving in to this leader's new first-strike doctrine would bring "peace for our time." Thus Hitler was born, riding a wave of popular support as leaders so often do in times of war. The Austrian government was unseated and replaced by a new leadership friendly to Germany, and German corporations began to take over Austrian resources.

In a speech responding to critics of the invasion, Hitler said, "Certain foreign newspapers have said that we fell on Austria with brutal methods. I can only say; even in death they cannot stop lying. I have in the course of my political struggle won much love from my people, but when I crossed the former frontier [into Austria] there met me such a stream of love as I have never experienced. Not as tyrants have we come, but as liberators."

To deal with those who dissented from his policies, at the advice of his politically savvy advisors, he and his handmaidens in the press began a campaign to equate him and his policies with patriotism and the nation itself. National unity was essential, they said, to ensure that the terrorists or their sponsors didn't think they'd succeeded in splitting the nation or weakening its will. In times of war, they said, there could be only "one people, one nation, and one commander-in-chief" ("Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer"), and so his advocates in the media began a nationwide campaign charging that critics of his policies were attacking the nation itself. Those questioning him were labeled "anti-German" or "not good Germans," and it was suggested they were aiding the enemies of the state by failing in the patriotic necessity of supporting the nation's valiant men in uniform. It was one of his most effective ways to stifle dissent and pit wage-earning people (from whom most of the army came) against the "intellectuals and liberals" who were critical of his policies.

Nonetheless, once the "small war" annexation of Austria was successfully and quickly completed, and peace returned, voices of opposition were again raised in the Homeland. The almost-daily release of news bulletins about the dangers of terrorist communist cells wasn't enough to rouse the populace and totally suppress dissent. A full-out war was necessary to divert public attention from the growing rumbles within the country about disappearing dissidents; violence against liberals, Jews, and union leaders; and the epidemic of crony capitalism that was producing empires of wealth in the corporate sector but threatening the middle class's way of life.

A year later, to the week, Hitler invaded Czechoslovakia; the nation was now fully at war, and all internal dissent was suppressed in the name of national security. It was the end of Germany's first experiment with democracy thru annihilation of a people.
Thom Hartmann

When most take the stance of belligerent following, freedom becomes a sad memory. Continue to be your different and diverse selfs...... You'll be appreciated by somebody ill-regardless of the soothsayers and Hitlers whom would like to see everyone fit in the same cookie cutter.
DREAD
Doesent this story sound scarily familiar?



JMO[8|]




willing2serve -> RE: Flaming and mean attitudes (1/2/2005 9:08:30 PM)

I personally like the diversified attitudes and opinions. This is a forum to spark opinions, debates and give and receive information. We have to remember where we are, which is a public forum. If some of the things were said in a personal email to me that would totally be a different story. I will admit some of the most direct, straightforward people here on the forum have been so sympathetic, wise and infomative in personal emails. We must know that everyone is not going to agree at all times, that is the beauty of it, I enjoy seeing things from a different perspective..sometimes I need someone to tell it like it T_I_S!

Respectfully,
Willing2serve1

PS. I am working hard on writing my first flaming post, TBA later...you all teach me well (smile)




MistressDREAD -> RE: Flaming and mean attitudes (1/2/2005 9:12:21 PM)

oOoOoOoOoOohhhhh I cant wait!!! I wanna seeeeeeeeEEEE!!




ShadeDiva -> RE: Flaming and mean attitudes (1/2/2005 9:22:19 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: willing2serve
I personally like the diversified attitudes and opinions. This is a forum to spark opinions, debates and give and receive information. We have to remember where we are, which is a public forum.


I think that nearly everyone here does as well.

But there is a difference between directing something insulting at someone personally and discussing what they posted. And again, yeah it takes more work to not slam someone, or to ignore them.

I mean I've watched some of the most opinionated and strong minded people here throughly disagree, and none of them at any point were repeatedly outright jerks about it. They might make jokes, like Estring for example, he makes jokes and quips, but not ever do you really get that impression that he's trying to belittle someone. The only time I've seen something remotely like that from him was in his response to someone else that was uncalled for, and he merely gave back what they threw at him.

I dunno the original poster seemed to be asking a sincere question, and I gods know that I can be as brutally blunt and vicious as the next, I just happen to agree that more and more I'm seeing posts that seem to say: "you moron, your post has NO value, you are an idiot, go cry in your milk."

Just not what I'm used to seeing here, maybe I am being overtly sensitive but I sure don't feel like it. Tekll ya what though, if I wind up sucking down a few dozen midol in a few days, Ill post a retraction. LOLOL!

~ShadeDiva





ehlovindom -> RE: Flaming and mean attitudes (1/3/2005 10:44:15 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ShadeDiva


I dunno the original poster seemed to be asking a sincere question, and I gods know that I can be as brutally blunt and vicious as the next, I just happen to agree that more and more I'm seeing posts that seem to say: "you moron, your post has NO value, you are an idiot, go cry in your milk."


~ShadeDiva




Pretty well a good place to end this thread. Again, I was not directing this at people having different opinions. I was just making an observation of an impression I got of more insults than viewpoints. I think you can make your point without an insult or pointing a finger at someone and belittling them. Thanks to ALL respnses




INSIDEYOURMIND -> RE: Flaming and mean attitudes (1/3/2005 11:09:42 AM)

OK, Is this thread officially dead, or does it need 10 more posts of the same drivel.........................

People are mean, get over it!




ehlovindom -> RE: Flaming and mean attitudes (1/3/2005 4:46:48 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: INSIDEYOURMIND

OK, Is this thread officially dead, or does it need 10 more posts of the same drivel.........................

People are mean, get over it!




I don't know, seems someone keeps drivelling here......




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