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RE: Democrats may be in trouble for walmart bashing - 8/27/2006 10:56:21 AM   
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There is no Costco around here.


There's none close to me either, but I'm going to get a Costco membership rather than the easier Sam's Club. I have a number of reasons for that decision, which include, but are not limited to, the ones listed in this thread.

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RE: Democrats may be in trouble for walmart bashing - 8/27/2006 11:06:28 AM   
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I think you can order from them on their website, might be a good way to support them.

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RE: Democrats may be in trouble for walmart bashing - 8/27/2006 11:07:15 AM   
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Does the LA Times even have a republican editorial writter??? LOL

Personally I've pretty much stopped any Walmart Shopping in my family based on their frequent use of emminent domain when their developers build the stores, and the fact that they use a slight of hand trick on consumers with their electronic goods.
A brand name VCR the SUNY 24 head superXYZ model for $99.00 when it's $149 everywhere else lets go, LOL but look again it's a superWXYZ witha a cheaper chip set madee specificly for them to sell cheaper with cheaper parts inside.

Labor practices play little to nothing in my dislike for Walmart.


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RE: Democrats may be in trouble for walmart bashing - 8/27/2006 11:08:55 AM   
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I think you can order from them on their website, might be a good way to support them.



Your so smart!    I'll do that.

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RE: Democrats may be in trouble for walmart bashing - 8/27/2006 11:50:12 AM   
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Could you restate that one, please?  Because...it doesn't make any sense.  If I hire one employee, I have to pay medical; but if I hire 40,000, I don't?

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Walmart hires to many employees so it doesn't have to pay medical (remember my grandson who unloads trucks gets medical).




juliaoceania said

Walmart apologist?

In Califonria (my state) Walmart expect ME to pay for their lack of benefits and low pay they give their employees by showing them how to file for our state medical aid for themselves and their families. I am paying for walmart's low prices with my tax dollar.. this PISSES ME OFF. They are a rich corporation, why do I have to pay for their employee's medical care? Another example of corporate freaking welfare...I am a proud walmart boycotter. Here is a link to what I am talking about  http://laborcenter.berkeley.edu/lowwage/walmart.pdf#search=%22walmart%20california%20medi-cal%22



 

Based upon what Juliaoceania said

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RE: Democrats may be in trouble for walmart bashing - 8/27/2006 11:53:25 AM   
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We don't have costco or sams club either

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RE: Democrats may be in trouble for walmart bashing - 8/27/2006 11:56:21 AM   
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in fact   Penneys is about twice the size of our local cell phone distributor and sears is about the same size as the phone distributor.  No Target, No mom and pop clothing stores,  we do have 4 grocery stores other than walmart, so where would you shop?  

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RE: Democrats may be in trouble for walmart bashing - 8/27/2006 12:41:37 PM   
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OK, your response has nothing to do with the article julia cited (which was written by Berkeley economists), but I'm content to let this one go.  I don't have the energy to explain the article to you.  I'll just assume you didn't understand it.

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Could you restate that one, please?  Because...it doesn't make any sense.  If I hire one employee, I have to pay medical; but if I hire 40,000, I don't?

quote:

ORIGINAL: KenDckey

Walmart hires to many employees so it doesn't have to pay medical (remember my grandson who unloads trucks gets medical).




juliaoceania said

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Walmart apologist?

In Califonria (my state) Walmart expect ME to pay for their lack of benefits and low pay they give their employees by showing them how to file for our state medical aid for themselves and their families. I am paying for walmart's low prices with my tax dollar.. this PISSES ME OFF. They are a rich corporation, why do I have to pay for their employee's medical care? Another example of corporate freaking welfare...I am a proud walmart boycotter. Here is a link to what I am talking about  http://laborcenter.berkeley.edu/lowwage/walmart.pdf#search=%22walmart%20california%20medi-cal%22


Based upon what Juliaoceania said


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RE: Democrats may be in trouble for walmart bashing - 8/27/2006 2:04:09 PM   
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I dont shop at Walmart because of how they treat their employees and also because the cheap stuff they import is most likely being made by children who are making like .50 a day.  I also choose not to shop at Rite-Aid, CVS, and Walgreens because of how they take advantage of the poor and the elderly.

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RE: Democrats may be in trouble for walmart bashing - 8/27/2006 2:55:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

OK, your response has nothing to do with the article julia cited (which was written by Berkeley economists), but I'm content to let this one go.  I don't have the energy to explain the article to you.  I'll just assume you didn't understand it.

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Could you restate that one, please?  Because...it doesn't make any sense.  If I hire one employee, I have to pay medical; but if I hire 40,000, I don't?

quote:

ORIGINAL: KenDckey

Walmart hires to many employees so it doesn't have to pay medical (remember my grandson who unloads trucks gets medical).




juliaoceania said

quote:

Walmart apologist?

In Califonria (my state) Walmart expect ME to pay for their lack of benefits and low pay they give their employees by showing them how to file for our state medical aid for themselves and their families. I am paying for walmart's low prices with my tax dollar.. this PISSES ME OFF. They are a rich corporation, why do I have to pay for their employee's medical care? Another example of corporate freaking welfare...I am a proud walmart boycotter. Here is a link to what I am talking about  http://laborcenter.berkeley.edu/lowwage/walmart.pdf#search=%22walmart%20california%20medi-cal%22


Based upon what Juliaoceania said



I have a tendency to discount what berkley has to say.  They are the fools that shot at me because of the clothes I wore back in the 60's.

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RE: Democrats may be in trouble for walmart bashing - 8/27/2006 9:08:53 PM   
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Hmmmmmmmm   Walmart is a bully with unfair pricing practices?   You mean guaranteeing the lowest price in town is unfair?

Walmart pays prevailing wage.   That is unfair because it is too little?

Walmart hires to many employees so it doesn't have to pay medical (remember my grandson who unloads trucks gets medical).

We have little choice in shopping at Walmart.   The closest thing comperable is 100+ miles away.  That being beside the point I still would shop at Walmart.  Just like I shop at the Dollar Store (which has some stuff even cheaper than Walmart).  To me it is a matter of personal economics - I am on a fixed income.

It is like those people that wn't buy anything except American.   Ever see the movie Arrmogedden?  "Russian equipment, American equipment, it is all the same - the components are all made in Taiwan." 


So, I would assume you are supportive of sweat shops or any other way that companies can generate the most profit regardless of who they trample on, so long as you can save your penny. Walmart has no problem paying huge amounts to the top/middle management.  Those guys get mega dollars each year, while the people doing the labor  for them can't even get medical coverage if their backs ache from the work they do for just under the number of hours each week that would entitle them to medical (and other) benefits.

If people stopped shopping at Walmart, it would send a message... it's not okay to  pay your greedy top management the huge bucks, and intentionally keep the vast majority of  your employees out of the running for benefits.  If consumers start buying elsewhere, I bet Walmart would redistribute some of that money and get the employees insurance... but with consumers like you, they don't have to. 

Online discount buying, sales, coupons... all of these things are effective ways to save money.  To occasionally save a few cents at Walmart, it's not worth the blood of others on my hands.  I am a single parent on a budget.  It's a morality issue for me, and my principles and morals aren't for "sale".  The public can be very influential... but when a lot of people think that just one person doesn't make a difference... it doesn't make a difference.

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RE: Democrats may be in trouble for walmart bashing - 8/28/2006 6:55:31 PM   
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Because I am ultra patient and I realize you may have missed many of the news reports concerning this particular abuse of the California taxpayers by Walmart because your prmary news source is Faux News and Rush Limbaugh.. I will post other news stories from a different source so you do not have to rely on Berkeley scholarly peer reviewed resources (since you do not trust dem damn ol liberal intellectuals).. here you are, I will take the time to show you what walmart has done in layman's terms

PBS frontline did a report on this
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/walmart/transform/protest.html



California legislature on the record about Walmart
http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_1401-1450/sb_1414_cfa_20060626_104700_asm_comm.html


There are many other resources about this online, and it would be refreshing if people actually looked at materials and googled a little themselves to refute instead of attacking the integrity of the California univeristy system... one of the finest in the world.. Berkeley being near tops for the social sciences (economics is a social science btw)

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RE: Democrats may be in trouble for walmart bashing - 8/28/2006 7:53:29 PM   
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Hmmmmmmmm   Walmart is a bully with unfair pricing practices?   You mean guaranteeing the lowest price in town is unfair?

Walmart pays prevailing wage.   That is unfair because it is too little?

Walmart hires to many employees so it doesn't have to pay medical (remember my grandson who unloads trucks gets medical).

We have little choice in shopping at Walmart.   The closest thing comperable is 100+ miles away.  That being beside the point I still would shop at Walmart.  Just like I shop at the Dollar Store (which has some stuff even cheaper than Walmart).  To me it is a matter of personal economics - I am on a fixed income.

It is like those people that wn't buy anything except American.   Ever see the movie Arrmogedden?  "Russian equipment, American equipment, it is all the same - the components are all made in Taiwan." 


The first issue I have with this whole thread is the premise "The Democrats may be in trouble..."  The Democrats could nominate Ted Bundy for President and beat anybody the Republicans try to elect president.  Assuming, of course, that the Republican method of stealing the election which worked to put the Simian In Chief in charge is stopped.  Look how far down the food chain in the Republican party they had to go to find a Senate or House member who was not muddied by the Abramhoff debacle?

I am not a Democrat myself, nor one of their apologists, but sheesh.  The Republican's have worked long and hard to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, I imagine the rest of us should simply smile and watch them slink off.

Walmart does not sell anything American.  They import everything from China or Indonesia.  What is amusing about this is the Red / White / Blue jingoism of their ads.

Walmart does not pay the prevailing wage.  They pay the minimum they can get away with.  Their health benefits are something the employee who works there (it is either 6 months or 1 year) can qualify to pay (with the money they earn working there) to be under Walmart's health plan.

Starbucks, according to a friend who works there, pays really well and has great benefits.

Walmart teaches their employees how to apply for social assistance programs.  In other words, Walmart employees make so little they qualify for food stamps, AFDC, Medicaid, etc.  So Walmart by default is shifting the costs of caring for their employees on to the taxpayer at large.  So all of you people who shop at Walmart thinking you are saving money and getting a good deal are delusional.  Walmart is simply taking the money from your pocketbook another way.

There is no such thing as a free lunch.

Walmart has entire offices filled with union busters.  When a Walmart in Quebec, CA, voted to unionize, Walmart closed the store.  Of course, Walmart moving into an area generally underprices and drives the local business out of business, so now the people in Worst Bumphuque, IA., have nowhere to shop when their Walmart closes down.

Walmart wanted to buy one of the docks (American President Lines) in our harbor a couple of years ago, but the association of other docks refused to allow them to do so because of their anti-union stance and refusal (up front) to adhere to the company's existing contracts with our union.

The most ironic thing I read about Walmart last year was the government of mainland China who refused to allow Walmart stores in to their country.  The reason?  The Government of China does not like Walmart's business practices or their treatment of their employees.



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RE: Democrats may be in trouble for walmart bashing - 8/28/2006 8:06:41 PM   
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Walmart teaches their employees how to apply for social assistance programs.  In other words, Walmart employees make so little they qualify for food stamps, AFDC, Medicaid, etc.  So Walmart by default is shifting the costs of caring for their employees on to the taxpayer at large.  So all of you people who shop at Walmart thinking you are saving money and getting a good deal are delusional.  Walmart is simply taking the money from your pocketbook another way.


That’s a huge Problem here in Arizona social assistance programs are Wal-marts health care program here for the most part. In other states they have cut the hours people can work so less people qualify for benefits. Also in Arizona they have gotten caught farming their maintenance work to illegal aliens. Wal-marts products and low prices can come with a price.

http://walmartwatch.com/blog/archives/arizona_medicare/
 
Close to one of every 10 Wal-Mart employees is getting health insurance paid for by Arizona taxpayers, according to figures obtained Friday from the state.
The nearly 2,700 Wal-Mart workers represent about 1.9 percent of working people who are getting benefits from the Arizona Health Care Cost Containment System
 

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RE: Democrats may be in trouble for walmart bashing - 8/28/2006 8:20:31 PM   
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 I do from time to time shop at Wal-Mart even though I don’t like how they operate. I have noticed their employees seem pretty miserable compares to say target or Costco. I could never imagine working there myself.
I only shop there when I have to; the one by my house is in a bad part of town so it’s really unpleasant all around.
I don’t have anything against people that actually work at Wal-mart I just don’t like the corporate welfare the corporation its self thrives  on.

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