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You see things in the oddest places - 1/2/2005 11:47:08 AM   
perverseangelic


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Status: offline 		I was watching Animal Precinct on Animal Planet yesterday (the roommate is gone so we get to monopoloize the cable).

There were several rescue workers playing with dogs to see if they could be adopted out after being rescued from abusive situations.

I had to do a double take, though. One of the rescue workers was wearing a pretty, black leather dog collar with the BDSM triskellion symbol suspended from it.

Much giggling happened in my house.

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RE: You see things in the oddest places - 1/2/2005 11:52:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Was it one of those animal behavior evaluators? She wears a collar quite often. . .I noticed that too!

**By the way. . .I tried that food agression test on my dog. . .ans she FAILED!

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RE: You see things in the oddest places - 1/2/2005 12:51:22 PM   
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Was it one of those animal behavior evaluators? She wears a collar quite often. . .I noticed that too!

**By the way. . .I tried that food agression test on my dog. . .ans she FAILED!

J


Might have been, I dunno. I hadn't watched the show before. Just a collar I could brush off, but with the little symbol thing....

it was cool.

*grin* Food agression, no fun. My pup is dog-agressive, but where people are concerned she couldnt' care less.


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RE: You see things in the oddest places - 1/2/2005 3:56:54 PM   
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RE: You see things in the oddest places - 1/2/2005 4:22:48 PM   
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Must be legal in her state!


What??? Wearing a collar? a triskellion? or both? I wear a triskellion on a silver chain most of the time.

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RE: You see things in the oddest places - 1/2/2005 6:49:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Its the truth we ARE everywhere, wonder if the collar and emblem being on television generated any good times for the wearer...............

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RE: You see things in the oddest places - 1/3/2005 9:35:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Feline, I meant bdsm in general must be legal in her state.

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RE: You see things in the oddest places - 1/4/2005 2:06:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		bdsm is illegal?

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RE: You see things in the oddest places - 1/4/2005 3:45:15 PM   
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bdsm is illegal?


Sorta. Battery is illegal and technically some s&m play is battery, which you can't consent to.


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RE: You see things in the oddest places - 1/5/2005 3:57:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		i believe the thinking among law enforcement (correct me if i'm wrong, anyone) is that anyone who *would* consent to getting spanked, lashed, etc, obviously is not in a state of mind where they *could* give consent.

Nice little catch-22, eh?

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RE: You see things in the oddest places - 1/5/2005 4:27:09 PM   
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i believe the thinking among law enforcement (correct me if i'm wrong, anyone) is that anyone who *would* consent to getting spanked, lashed, etc, obviously is not in a state of mind where they *could* give consent.

Nice little catch-22, eh?


What? Who are they to sat that i'm not in my right mind? You gotta know me at least a couple minutes before making that determination.

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RE: You see things in the oddest places - 1/5/2005 8:22:24 PM   
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What? Who are they to sat that i'm not in my right mind? You gotta know me at least a couple minutes before making that determination.


Spoken by someone who obivously doesn't make enough values judgements on strangers!

What i posted is just what i have been told, i could be wrong. Someone in the lifestyle told me there was a woman whose Master branded his initials on her, her gyno turned the Master in and he did jail time over it. They pressed charges because they said anyone willing to be branded was too mentally off to give consent. Could just be a community urban legend.

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RE: You see things in the oddest places - 1/5/2005 8:52:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know whether that one's an urban ledgend or not, but I know branding is legal and ok with most people, as it's becoming a more and more popular form of body mod.

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RE: You see things in the oddest places - 1/6/2005 8:07:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		They say it is the act itself. Someone can give permission to murder them, but murder is still murder and they will pay.

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RE: You see things in the oddest places - 1/6/2005 11:58:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		It varies from state to state and from community to community. Most of the time, for battery to stick the victim has to press charges. However, the nifty legal catch phrase they came up with in the early ninties is "Ritual Abuse". A person who is suffering from ritual abuse is legally non compis mentis, suffering from a form of stockholm syndrome, and so the state can try the abuser on behalf of the victim.

Any way, that's the skinny I got from a friend of mine, years back, who is (or at least was, but I think she's still practicing) a certfied therapist who's made her career off of being a kink-friendly professional.

Of course, that's the routine in california. Like I said, it varies widely from state to state and community to community. A friend of mine got the cops called on him more than once because his girlfriend suffered from catastrophic migranes. The folks in the emergency room saw the disoriented behavior, the puffy eyes and cheeks, took one look at him, and concluded spousal abuse. This from people who had access to her medical records, and could easily verify that she had been in and out of that same hospital for years and had been diagnosed with chronic migranes, and was being treated for chronic migranes.

All it takes is one phone call to start a witch hunt.

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RE: You see things in the oddest places - 1/7/2005 5:09:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Believe have to have a signed state ment of there desire for this type behavior.. on it can not say wanting any perment damage but accident happen.Gordy

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RE: You see things in the oddest places - 1/12/2005 7:28:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's an open question in many jurisdictions I think. There are assaults that because of their nature cannot be consented to, either directly as in writing or implied because of the context. When playing a contact sport for example you consent to certain physical contact. It could be violent and even outside the rules of the game incuring a penelty but within the typical scope of play. You cannot consent to be involved in a bar fight however. If you are punched during the course of the fight it is still assault though you agreed to participate. Sports are considered by the courts to be "socially useful" activities while bar brawls are considered socially useless, could lead to greater violence involveing bystandars and (my personal favourite) may cause to desensitize or even encourage certain individuals to enjoy inflicting pain.

There is some indication that BDSM activities are considered "socially useless" in the case law. This is Canadian law and I believe the law is the same in the UK. I'm going to do a research paper on the topic so I could report back with a more definitive answer if anyones interested.

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RE: You see things in the oddest places - 1/15/2005 7:14:44 PM   
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What i posted is just what i have been told, i could be wrong. Someone in the lifestyle told me there was a woman whose Master branded his initials on her, her gyno turned the Master in and he did jail time over it. They pressed charges because they said anyone willing to be branded was too mentally off to give consent. Could just be a community urban legend.


I had something like this happen over break actually. I have to give a little background on this so please bear with me.

I train daily in martial arts and as often as I can in ground fighting. Because I want to be able to win a fight against a man who may be much larger then me I often train with my Dom (who is slightly taller and about 100 pounds heavier). We were training over break and he lost his balance and landed on my hand, hurting my wrist. We thought that is might have been broken so we went of the the free clinic. We had been working out so I was in shorts (this is important).
When we got there we expected to have to wait (it's always that way), but I was rushed right in, leaving him standing in the hall. To explain, I have a severe phobia of hospitals and doctors in general so I was flipping out and yelling for him to come in (I have never been to the doctor alone). Well, to shorten a long story (sort of) the receptionist saw hand prints on the backs of my legs (bruises from the day before) and had called the police, the family services department and the battered women's shelter. After a long and humiliting ordeal we were permitted to go home, but it's something to keep in mind when see a doctor.

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RE: You see things in the oddest places - 1/15/2005 10:09:00 PM   
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Well, to shorten a long story (sort of) the receptionist saw hand prints on the backs of my legs (bruises from the day before) and had called the police, the family services department and the battered women's shelter. After a long and humiliting ordeal we were permitted to go home, but it's something to keep in mind when see a doctor.


Yikes. The posibility of that happening has been mentioned before. How did you convince them it was consensual?

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RE: You see things in the oddest places - 1/16/2005 7:10:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		They can't press charges against him if I don't want to. They are convinced that I am being abused but I just don't want to say anything. Not the best idea, but I'll take it for now I guess.

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