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RE: I always do have to learn the hard way. - 8/28/2006 10:02:40 AM   
LaTigresse


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there is always plan B

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RE: I always do have to learn the hard way. - 8/28/2006 10:16:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

there is always plan B


She's not pregnant is she???

*giggles*




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RE: I always do have to learn the hard way. - 8/28/2006 10:20:38 AM   
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I try not to take these things too personally.

Or investing myself too emotionally into something electronic.

I try to avoid emotional maschism, just my POV.

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RE: I always do have to learn the hard way. - 8/28/2006 10:22:10 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aine

quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

there is always plan B


She's not pregnant is she???

*giggles*





*gasp!* Noooooooooooooooo!  *has an e-abortion*

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RE: I always do have to learn the hard way. - 8/28/2006 10:24:17 AM   
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Decides to invent the "e-nema" to wash out the aftermaths of these sorts of things, I could become wealthy!

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RE: I always do have to learn the hard way. - 8/28/2006 10:28:43 AM   
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You mentioned being someones "posession" yet as i understand it this was only online... i would venture to say that perhaps you are expecting too much from online.  i think it's a fine starting place but i doubt i could ever consider myself an "online posession". i have found that people online use the anonymity to let loose their most ignoble qualities.  It seems if you don't have to actually look a person in  the eyes you can say anything you like no matter how rude, crass, or untrue it may be. 

i am sorry for your experience, just take everything with a grain of salt and unless it goes a step further then online, don't put too much stock into it.

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RE: I always do have to learn the hard way. - 8/28/2006 10:35:06 AM   
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Be prepared to kiss many frogs on the way to the prince (or princess-smile) , it is just human nature. Knowing yourself and having a clear definition of what it is that you seek, will help reduce the frog lines! *smile Be good to yourself, and rid yourself of the belief that you are tossed aside, perhaps it is this negative perspective you have of your self worth, that aids in the littany of schmucks you attract.  Examine yourself more closely, and do your best to find and rid yourself of those qualities that are the "schmuck attractors."  Good Luck and please don't be so down on yourself. *smile 

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RE: I always do have to learn the hard way. - 8/28/2006 10:45:36 AM   
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It might be painful - but they probably did you a favor in the long run. I know it doesn't seem like that now.

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RE: I always do have to learn the hard way. - 8/29/2006 11:55:42 AM   
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There's not a whole lot I can add to this, but I hope you're feeling better today.

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RE: I always do have to learn the hard way. - 8/29/2006 11:58:50 AM   
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Its not just Doms that disappear..I wished I had a dollar for every male sub who was "interested" then disappeared..Maybe its a male thing?
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RE: I always do have to learn the hard way. - 8/29/2006 12:06:17 PM   
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hmm at least I would have the decency of telling the person to f*ck off before I would disappear

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RE: I always do have to learn the hard way. - 8/29/2006 1:09:31 PM   
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Before I respond I would like to say that I'm not trying to slam you with my thoughts....but I am trying to get you to see where it is you may be going wrong.

In your initial post you said that you were someone's possession....then later in the thread you said you had never met this person. That is why I asked the question I did in my first post here. How is it that you can never meet someone and in the course of what sounds like only a few weeks....become their possession? In order to possess something...don't you have to possess it?

I know that you think LA was being harsh....but she generally hits the nail pretty close to the head. In all honesty though...you answered your own questions in your first post.

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It's so difficult wanting to be a submissive, meaning you should give of yourself so much, but with each trust I allow to be abused my ability to trust wanes. 


At least the sentence that I bolded tells me that you have some kind of an understanding that it is you who are volunteering to become a victim. Maybe the reason that dorky, abusive guys are attracted to you is because you step right up there with a target on your chest.

It's not so hard to be submissive if you can remember:
a)that it's not wise to wear your heart on your sleeve
b)you don't have to lose all of your common sense to do it
c)you can take your time and be choosy

and that you don't have to "give so much of yourself" to just anyone who shows an interest.

A couple of weeks of internet or phone conversations should leave you feeling like "hey, this sounds like kind of an alright guy who has some possibilities...maybe I'd like to meet him". It should not leave you feeling like you know them well enough to put all of your trust in them and want to be owned mind, body and soul by them.






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RE: I always do have to learn the hard way. - 8/29/2006 1:21:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mistoferin
A couple of weeks of internet or phone conversations should leave you feeling like "hey, this sounds like kind of an alright guy who has some possibilities...maybe I'd like to meet him". It should not leave you feeling like you know them well enough to put all of your trust in them and want to be owned mind, body and soul by them.

This is why people like you more than me, Erin.  I'm glad there are people here to balance out my perspective.

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RE: I always do have to learn the hard way. - 8/29/2006 1:57:05 PM   
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Hello, Mist

i really understand what you feel because the same happened to me 2 or 3 times.  Am i fool for continue trusting?  Maybe, but this is the way i am. If i don't put my heart in all the things i do, then it is not me.
But, try to understand this.  There is people online trying to release their own frustrations, and people like you and me, are the best for it.  It is not that you are wrong or you are right.  You trusted, he thinks he feels better.
But sooner or later, you'd find the one you are looking for, and you'd be happy and he'd still be the poor "looney toon" he is.  That's not a real man, so don't worry.  You won this time.   The only thing you'd get from someone like him is sadness.  And you don't deserve it.

Curious, men understand more about solidarity than women.  And we are supposed to be sweeter, nicer, etc etc.   LOL
We, women, some times are very hard to understand.  You know, sometimes we have the period; others, we are starting menopausy;  maybe partner cheat on us and someone has to pay for it;  maybe we were not able to reach the orgasm we were craving for, and would be barking all day long.  And then, if a friend needs some help, maybe because we are feeling miserable, we would make her feel more miserable than us, if that's possible.   Men are simple.  Their friend is sad?  lets go and drink a couple of beers, then contact a couple of chicks, the sluttier the best, and it's over.  Ending the night, the friend would start crying, but it's ok, he is so drunk poor guy. 

I've copied this article from a profile of ALT.com .  I think it can help you in your search.  It helped myself.   It was written by a man, so.....must be true....  LOL


Acid Tests for True Dominants


Introduction

The term `Acid Test' is an old prospecting term. A powerful acid can dissolve most base metals in a matter of minutes. However, gold will stand up to most acids. So the `Acid Test' was an easy way for people to make sure they had a real nugget of gold and not a lump of the `fool's' variety. In the same way, these tests are meant to be quick ways to identify fake Doms. Passing all these tests is no guarantee either, there is no replacement for getting to know your prospective partner as well as possible before you even meet in person.

Now most of these tests are designed in mind for a submissive female trying to sort through men claiming to be Doms online. They are largely based on the many questions I get asked by my female friends still searching for a Dominant partner. Some of them can probably be used by male subs as well, but for the most part, these tests are best for ferreting out male fakes. Vanilla males are usually after `easy sex' and this motive makes them easier to identify than a lot of the fake Dommes out there.

Step One: Do the Math

Various estimates and surveys have placed the ratio of real (i.e. natural) male sexual Dominants to female sexual submissives at about one to ten. However, a quick count in any given BDSM oriented chat room would lead you to believe that male Doms outnumber the subs at about two to one. Now if there is actually only one male Dom for every ten female subs, that means that 19 out of the 20 "Doms" you see online have to be fakes. Keep this in mind. There is a 95% chance that any man you talk to online claiming to be a Dom is no such thing. This leads us to our first rule, a rule that all statisticians and scientists already know by heart: "When in doubt, throw it out!"

Your search for a suitable Dominant partner (especially if you are seeking a serious long-term relationship as well) could easily take years. That's hardly surprising, most people spend years looking for that special lover, be they `vanilla' or otherwise. So don't be disheartened by all these drastic ratios. But don't waste your time either. If any of the prospects you are chatting with online makes you feel uncomfortable for any reason, drop him. Don't give him `three strikes' or `extra chances to win.' Block out his screen- name and move on. There was only a one in twenty chance he was legitimate anyway. Trust your instincts!

Step Two: Know Your Enemy

We call them Snerts. We call them HNG's (Horny Net Geeks). We call them Wannabes. We call them Control Freaks. And sometimes, tragically, we even find some that can only be called rapists and predators. They are all your enemy. Don't bother thinking they are anything less. Even a more or less well meaning Snert can land you in a hospital. Real BDSM is not for dilettantes or amateurs: Not, no, and never! Even if he turns out to be a more or less nice guy, if he's not a Dom, he's not going to give you what you really need. He will likely give you many things you don't need, like medical bills and other assorted headaches.

Snerts are basically looking for easy sex. They are counting on the (highly inaccurate) assumption that sexual submissives are simply sexually promiscuous. Nothing could be farther from the truth, but that doesn't deter them at all. They are typically middle aged to somewhat older men. They are often married. They are usually trying to bolster their flagging vanilla sex lives with some casual screwing around. They target submissives because they think that they won't make demands on there sexual prowess (another bad assumption). They can be easily spotted because they almost always demand or at least emphasize sexual intercourse being a part of their `scenes.'

HNG's are usually the most harmless (and yet often the most annoying) of the enemy types. Most are teenagers and young men looking for some quick cyber-sex or even phone-sex. They are usually pretty sophisticated about their BDSM jargon and the `scenes' they describe to you can be pretty elaborate. Geeks do their homework. They scour the porno sites for ideas, and hang out in BDSM chats for hours on end learning the lingo. They are most easily spotted because they want to move on to cyber-sex and phone sex very quickly. They like to offer online collars, and spend hours on end in chat rooms `playing' with their `subbies.' Don't waste your time with them.

The second most dangerous type of enemy is the Control Freak. Control freaks are what most psychologists and therapists call `controlling personalities.' They are basically obsessed with control of everything around them, especially the people in their lives. They want all their family, friends, and even coworkers to behave exactly as they say. They are extremely manipulative people. These men can be dangerous because many really have convinced themselves that they are Dominants as a way to justify their dysfunctional lives. Many inexperienced submissives find themselves `naturally' attracted to these men because outwardly they seem so `in command' of things all the time. The truly ironic (and sad) thing is, a controlling personality is actually the closest thing to the opposite of a sexual Dominant.

Controls Freaks can be spotted because they often talk about `taking care of you' and also `knowing what's best for you.' They almost always try to play on your emotions; especially guilt. They also usually criticize and even resent the advice you get from other people. They often talk about 24/7 BDSM relationships without going into any details about what kind of actual scenes they play. They are fond of telling you that they prefer the `mental aspect' of Domination and submission. They tend to be both demanding and argumentative. Nothing you do will ever be quite right. While all this may seem very repulsive and easy to avoid, be on your guard, the average control freak often seems very charming initially. Once they have their hooks into you its very hard to get untangled.

The last and most dangerous type of enemy is the rapist or predator. These are the men most likely to damage or even end your life. The truly frightening thing about these evil men it that there is NO easy way to spot them. Rapists can be anything from bums to bank mangers, and anyone from family members to total strangers. One in four women has suffered an attack from this vile creature, and one in seven men as well! Their motive is violence. The best defense is never make yourself too vulnerable.

To defend yourself from predators, learn all the ins and outs of setting up a good Safety Net. Follow these procedures religiously.  Most important of all take your time getting to know your prospective play partners. This is good advice in any case. If you know your partner well, you're more likely to have a good time with him, because you will feel more comfortable during that first scene.
Predators are more likely to move on in search of easy prey, they do tend to be impulsive. If a `Dom' you have been talking too suddenly seems to loose interest in you after a period of time, you may have just saved your own life. Don't go chasing after anybody. A true Dom doesn't need to play `hard to get.'

Step 3: Know your goal!

Take the time to figure out what you want. It's often hard for newbie subs to do this because sometimes they lack knowledge of what choices are available to them. So arm yourself with knowledge! There are many fine publications, books, and internet websites that cater to sexual submissives. So start reading! Learn about the different types of play and how they should be conducted. Learn everything you can about how to set up a Safety Net. Learn all the dos and don'ts of meeting others and playing safely. Decide what your Limits are and set them down on paper. This may seem like a lot of homework to do in the name of fun, but also keep in mind that that it's your ass that's (literally) on the line here.
Know what a real Dom acts like. Remember, you are probably a sexual submissive because you are in control the rest of the time. You are strong! Likely even ambitious as well. You have a career, or goals, or a lifestyle that demands this high level of energy and control. So giving away your control is a beautiful respite from everyday life.  Your power and energy are things you only want to give to someone you trust, and in intimate situations at that. It's a very personal thing to you!

Well guess what, sexual Dominants are usually the compliment of this.  We are often strong people too, and we do tend to be intelligent. We are often highly trained professionals or skilled craftsmen. However, we tend to avoid lifestyles and careers that demand we be in control all the time. We tend to be easygoing. I have never in my life met, or even heard of, an uptight sexual Dominant. We like being in control in intimate situations. It's a respite from the way we live our everyday lives. We are not really the opposite of you, but we are the `puzzle piece' that fits next to you nugly. In another words, don't look for a Dom that's exactly like you. You won't find him. Don't look for a Dom that wants to run your whole life; he doesn't exist.

Above all, if you're prospective Dom seems like a generally nice guy, you're likely on the right track! Take the time to get to know him.  Don't let the five control freaks on the other side of the chat room demand your attention. A real Dominant isn't likely to make `demands' until its time to play.

Step 4: Memorize these Acid Tests!

Test #1: When in doubt, throw it out! Don't waste your time with people that make you feel uncomfortable. Even if the guy was a real Dom, if his personality makes you feel uncomfortable, he's not going to be fun to play with.

Test #2: "You'd better call me Sir!" is the mating call of a HNG or control freak. Real Doms don't have to ask for titles, we earn them. Most real Doms will say things like "please, call me Mike…"

Test #3: "I want you to take my collar before you play with me." This is another common demand of fakes, most often made by control freaks.  They have to isolate you from other people and their advice, and sometimes a little ole "cyber-collar" is just the thing! Cyber-collars are worth less than the leather required to make one.

Test #4: If you get an Instant Message that says something like "On your knees you [slave, slut, bitch, whore, etc.]" This is the mating call of the HNG. Use some common sense here. Why waste time with somebody that's not even polite? There's a time and a place for these endearing terms, and it isn't online!

Test #5: "I don't have to answer that question!" or "It's not proper etiquette for you to ask a Master that." are examples of some the dangerous lies that control freaks and snerts use. This is the Acid test I personally think is the most important! A Dom had better be ready to at least try and answer every question you have, and honestly at that! It's literally your ass that's on the line! Never forget this!

Test #6: "It's my way or the highway!" or words to that effect, are the mating cry of the common control freak. Doms can have Limits too, but it's your Limits that count FIRST. Don't let any would-be `Dom' tell you differently. Don't let any of the wannabe subs tell you differently either. Where Male Dom/Fem sub play is concerned, it's always lady's choice!

Test #7: Don't bother with online collars. Don't make decisions about a prospective partner based on his online play style. It's a very simple test if you think about it: would a real life Dominant waste much time on cyber sex? Please take my word for it; the answer is no.
Forget it, once you've done the real thing, cyber is just too damn dull.

Test #8: Ask your prospect if he's ever made any mistakes during a scene. If he says `no,' run for your life! If he says, `very rarely,'  at least be suspicious. Everyone makes mistakes, even if they are experienced and skilled. Sometimes submissives have Limits they don't even know about, and even the most careful and skilled Dom the world will trip over these occasionally. Remember, according to our good friends of the Christian faith, the last perfect guy to walk this planet got nailed to a tree for his trouble. So expect competence, but not miracles.

Test #9: "I'm a [bank president, captain of industry, combat photographer, self-made millionaire… yadda yadda yadda.]" Wouldn't it be nice to meet a rich Dom too? Sure it would! But use some common sense too. How many captains of industry have hours to spend in an AOL chat room? Also, think about this personality profile; if this super successful, always-in-control person is really into BDSM, he's likely a submissive! Worse yet, it could very likely mean he is a control freak. I have met a lot of submissives that fit this ambitious profile, but not one Dom yet!

Test #10: "I'm 33 years old, and I've been a Master for 15 years."
Gimme a break! What are the odds? When you ask about a Dom's level of experience (and it's a good idea to do so) remember to do the math as well. 18 year-old boys don't care about the intricacies of BDSM; they want to get laid. Trust me on this one Ladies, I was an 18 year-old boy once! I personally believe that people do become what they are (be it gay, straight, Dom or sub) very early in life, but it takes maturity and training to be a Master. What are the odds a person became a Master when they were still using clearacil?

Test #11: Ask for references! Especially if he claims to be `very experienced.' Talk to the references on the phone. Lots of HNG's have female screen-names set up to act as `references' for them! I notice that a lot of newbies seem to have trouble with this concept. Which is understandable since in the vanilla world it's considered rude to talk to a guy's ex-girlfriend. However, in the BDSM Scene it's the opposite, experienced  Dominants should accept and accommodate this kind of request gladly.

Test #12: "I have three real life collared slaves right now, but you can't talk to them." Okay, when you consider the ratio and all, this sounds possible. What makes this an acid test failed (and failed miserably at that) is the last part. I have met couples (and even triples) that really were looking for an extra person to add to the mix. This is not uncommon at all in the Scene. But these couples were looking together. If a `Dom' has anyone already collared to them, you probably ought to talk to her first!

Test #13: "I don't need safe words." Well of course he doesn't! If he said this he's likely a snert and therefore he's never really been in a scene! Of course he might be a predator too, and then he wouldn't need safewords either. Need I say more?

Test #14: "My slaves trust me to set their Limits for them." If you hear a `Dom' say this it's most likely because these slaves only exist in his mind. Or worse still, his `slave' is simply the victim of spouse abuse. Even so called TPE (Total Power Exchange) and other sorts of 24/7 (i.e. full time) BDSM relationships should involve careful and thorough negotiation.

Test #15: "I'm Married, my wife can't know about us" If I have to explain this one too you, you've got problems. I have played with many married submissives in my time, but only with the express permission (and more often than not, participation) of their husbands. Safe BDSM requires complete honesty. You can't build a good Scene on lies. There are plenty of people that will be willing to tell you differently; but please note, they will all turn out to be adulterers (and hence, liars) themselves.

Test #16: Insert your own Acid Test here: You will learn much from your mistakes and missteps. If you form an online contact with a "Dom" that falls through, analyze why it fell through. Don't make the same mistakes twice if you can help it.

Step 5: It's not just the men you have to screen!

Finding some female submissives to be buddies with you on your quest is a very good idea. Especially if they are experienced players; they can give you unique perspectives, emotional support, and even references to legitimate Doms to play with. They can also, most importantly, provide a Safety Net for you during those first meetings with the men you meet. The benefits of teaming up with other women in your search should be obvious!

However, be just as cautious about what you hear from other women online as well. If you are so inclined to search for a Domme for instance, the Acid tests should apply just as well. Be very cautious about the women you meet online that claim to be submissives as well.
There are a great number of female HNG's who live their BDSM lifestyle in the vacuum of cyber-space. Their advice and experiences are not only useless in the real world, they can be dangerous.
Another class of "female enemy" is even more tragic and dangerous; the Victim.

A Victim is just that; a victim of physical and/or mental abuse that uses BDSM as an excuse to continue denying the reality of her tragic situation. These people are disturbingly common as well. They are dangerous to you too! These women are not just full of very dangerous advice, but they are usually very vehement about telling you that their lifestyle is the only "real BDSM." They can fill your head full of doubts faster than one of the male enemy types.

Spare little sympathy, tell them to get help, and stay the heck away from them (in exactly this order). It may seem mercenary, but it is in fact the right thing to do. This is my training as a CASA (Citizens Against Spouse Abuse) volunteer talking. An abuse victim can only save herself, and then only when she is ready to do so. If you let her vent her frustrations and fears on you, she will then go back to her familiar little hell, leaving you emotionally drained and likely scared too. Your quest for safe play partners is going to be tough enough as it is. Avoid Victims completely if you can, and if you can't, urge them to get help. It's not your job to save the world, keeping yourself safe and happy is enough work.

In Closing

This all seems like a lot of work. It is. Some of it sounds awfully scary too. It should. So why bother with this quest at all? Why not just stick "cyber only" in your profile and forget real life BDSM?
Why not just drop it all together? I can give you only one good reason; when it is done safely, and it suits your needs, it can be
the one of the most profoundly fulfilling experiences in your life! I used to cringe at terms like "sex magic," but now that I know the spells, I'm an unabashed Wizard! Besides, any student of psychology can tell you that denial has its own dangers too. The easy roads are not the ones that lead to interesting places. So arm yourself with knowledge, find yourself some trustworthy friends to share the journey, and start walking. Just don't forget to bring your Acid Tests too!



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RE: I always do have to learn the hard way. - 9/2/2006 10:47:01 PM   
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((((Hugs the Puss)))  Welcome to the club... we meet every Wednesday evening and throw spitballs at the Doms from the upper level of the mall.

where do I get directions?

I just went thru the same thing....and once the blues left, and i quit reacting with my hormones, and i was able to sensibly think about what was going on, I was the one to walk away.  it IS his loss......

Just remember...time wounds all heels!  :)

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RE: I always do have to learn the hard way. - 9/3/2006 5:19:20 AM   
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Hugs the platypus.  This can be a rough place to come and share problems. 

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RE: I always do have to learn the hard way. - 9/3/2006 6:06:26 AM   
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platypus,

Sorry this happened to you and it makes it doubly painful, like getting your nose rubbed in it, when people assume things about you and are extremely judgemental.  Ive had the same happen to me and I took it as a personal attack as well.  Some people are know-it-alls and find all kinds of justifications to make themselves seem right all the time.  I think this stems from insecurety and low self-esteem, having the need to always feel and look superior by putting others down.  Then, there are always others that enable them.

Altho, Im a firm believer of one having their own opinions, I find no excuse for being tactless and demeaning or being scolded like a child.  People who are selfish and care only for their need to blurt out what's on their minds without tact or diplomacy when one asks a question, or is seeking advise does the original poster no justice other than project their own negativity.  They rarely, if ever have your welfare at heart but are looking out only for their own selfish needs being met at someone else's expense.

You stated that you are new.  We have all been new at one time or another.  We all have made many mistakes and continue to make them but the last thing anyone needs to hear, during what seems like a crisis for them, is false assumptions, scoldings and being judged for the mistakes, that we all make at one time or another, especially when we hope to find some empathy and guidance from like-minded folks or our peers.

Yes, and sometimes we make the same mistakes over and over again.  Some of us just have to learn our lessons at our own speed and in our own way.  Too bad, we're not all perfect and dont have everything figured out, labelled and packed in tiny lil boxes inside our bedroom closet. 

Best of luck and I hope you find what's best for you. 

LeatherBentOne

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RE: I always do have to learn the hard way. - 9/3/2006 8:03:35 AM   
Shalyn


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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin
A couple of weeks of internet or phone conversations should leave you feeling like "hey, this sounds like kind of an alright guy who has some possibilities...maybe I'd like to meet him". It should not leave you feeling like you know them well enough to put all of your trust in them and want to be owned mind, body and soul by them.

This is why people like you more than me, Erin.  I'm glad there are people here to balance out my perspective.


Well I like you LA. You seem to be one who is straight foward and you tell it like it is. Nothing wrong with that in my opinion.

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So I was someone's posession, or someone's consideration, only to have them totally disappear on me like some apparition.  I figured going into it if it seemed too good to be true, it probably was, and sure enough I was right.

It's so difficult wanting to be a submissive, meaning you should give of yourself so much, but with each trust I allow to be abused my ability to trust wanes.  That is life, I guess, growing from naive and trustworthy to further being wise and jaded, cautious, callous.


I have only been on this site for a few days now but i have listened to the advice here and i have learned quite a bit. Learn from your mistakes. Dont be so trusting or you will probaly end up like you are now. Remember, this is online, you were not his possession. Sounds to me like you was more of an ego boost for him and now he is moving on to someone else. I know the feeling of eagerly wanting to be submissive to someone. Ive been there but I have found out that you have to be patient also. Make sure you know the person and i dont mean after a chat or 2. I mean know them, their expectations, their limits, things like that. Not only that, but know some background on them, talk on the phone, and just take it slow. A "real dom" is not going to message you saying "you are mine now" He will want to take the time to get to know you for the same reasons you should try to get to know him.. To be owned by someone, you have to trust the person. Can you trust someone online after a week or two of chat? I know I cant.
Im not trying to be mean or say anything out of the way so please dont take me the wrong way. Im just voicing my own opinion and sharing some of the things I have learned with you.

Shalyn

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RE: I always do have to learn the hard way. - 9/3/2006 9:32:31 AM   
CreoleCook


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my two cents:  I'll give it to you in short, concise sentences, to make it easier to understand, and so no one miscontrues (or misunderstands) what I am saying...

Some people are stubborn.  Others are not.

Some people have standards.  Others do not.

Some people expect things.  Others expect nothing.

Some people need guidance.  Others need to guide.

No one can give you a perfect answer... that needs to be found inside yourself.

No one is perfect.  Everyone makes mistakes.  ( and yes, this includes LA (joking) )


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