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Can a Domme be a Master? - 8/30/2006 6:51:24 AM

mistoferin

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I have seen a few Dommes refer to themselves as Masters....wouldn't the correct term be Mistress? I have always perceived the word Master as masculine and Mistress as feminine. I have never seen a male Dom refer to himself as a Mistress...why do some Dommes use the masculine form?

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RE: Can a Domme be a Master? - 8/30/2006 6:59:12 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: mistoferin
I have seen a few Dommes refer to themselves as Masters....wouldn't the correct term be Mistress? I have always perceived the word Master as masculine and Mistress as feminine. I have never seen a male Dom refer to himself as a Mistress...why do some Dommes use the masculine form?

Because they feel it's the more appropriate label. Just like some females are Daddys. They feel the energy/connotation with the word suits their personality and perspective better than the traditional terms.

Labels, especially in the scene, are not gender exclusive. It's more common for females to take up stereotypically male labels, but there are males who do the same.

It's also a lot more common and accepted in the homo and leather scene versus the hetero scene. In some ways the hetero scene is REALLY lame and conformist compared to the "overall scene."

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RE: Can a Domme be a Master? - 8/30/2006 7:07:30 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: mistoferin

I have seen a few Dommes refer to themselves as Masters....wouldn't the correct term be Mistress? I have always perceived the word Master as masculine and Mistress as feminine. I have never seen a male Dom refer to himself as a Mistress...why do some Dommes use the masculine form?

Perhaps its the power of a strap-on which gives them a masculine feel? Some Leather Lesbians, are also refered to as daddy in their communities. I have seen crossdressers or transvestites/transexuals assign them selves to the role of Mistress. Some just define their identity with the gender they feel more comfortable with.

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RE: Can a Domme be a Master? - 8/30/2006 7:09:23 AM

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

Because they feel it's the more appropriate label. Just like some females are Daddys. They feel the energy/connotation with the word suits their personality and perspective better than the traditional terms.

Labels, especially in the scene, are not gender exclusive. It's more common for females to take up stereotypically male labels, but there are males who do the same.

It's also a lot more common and accepted in the homo and leather scene versus the hetero scene. In some ways the hetero scene is REALLY lame and conformist compared to the "overall scene."

Wow, You just said that so much better than I did.

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RE: Can a Domme be a Master? - 8/30/2006 7:16:44 AM

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I know and respect several dominant women who prefer the word "Master." Most of them don't like the word "Mistress" because of the vanilla connotation, i.e. a Mistress is the woman a married man commits adultery with.

There are other distinctions as well. The word "Mistress" sometimes seems to indicate a degree of frivolity which the word "Master" never does. Also, the word "Master" is sometimes used as a verb. When one, male or female, thoroughly learns a new skill, one is said to "master it," never "mistress it." And I know of no college which grants a "Mistress'" degree.

I do know a couple of dominant males who go by "Mistress." They're CDs.

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RE: Can a Domme be a Master? - 8/30/2006 7:22:53 AM

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I get so tired about titles.

They can call themselves "UNBERCUNTGODDESOFTHEUNIVERSE" for all I care.

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RE: Can a Domme be a Master? - 8/30/2006 7:30:23 AM

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Master is not a gender specific title... so yes, a woman can refer to herself as a master.

I consider myself to be a master but I do not introduce myself as master.

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RE: Can a Domme be a Master? - 8/30/2006 7:42:49 AM

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ORIGINAL: Homestead

I get so tired about titles.

They can call themselves "UNBERCUNTGODDESOFTHEUNIVERSE" for all I care.

I think I'm changing my preferred mode of address... ;)

For me, I really don't care. As long as there is mutual respect, the "title" is of little importance to me.

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RE: Can a Domme be a Master? - 8/30/2006 7:45:01 AM

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I never use a title. People will see you as they see you.

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RE: Can a Domme be a Master? - 8/30/2006 7:45:57 AM

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ORIGINAL: MsKatHouston

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ORIGINAL: Homestead

I get so tired about titles.

They can call themselves "UNBERCUNTGODDESOFTHEUNIVERSE" for all I care.

I think I'm changing my preferred mode of address... ;)

For me, I really don't care. As long as there is mutual respect, the "title" is of little importance to me.

Maybe I should really mess with heads, and do the third person speak. Whaddayathink...Should I just title myself "This pervert"?

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RE: Can a Domme be a Master? - 8/30/2006 7:46:52 AM

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Maybe because they want to and if it makes them happy then the answer is yes. If a man wants to be called Mistress go for it, they are nothing but labels.

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RE: Can a Domme be a Master? - 8/30/2006 7:47:01 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: mistoferin

I have seen a few Dommes refer to themselves as Masters....wouldn't the correct term be Mistress? I have always perceived the word Master as masculine and Mistress as feminine. I have never seen a male Dom refer to himself as a Mistress...why do some Dommes use the masculine form?

Ask Master Fire. She seems to sum it up pretty well in her profile!

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RE: Can a Domme be a Master? - 8/30/2006 7:47:09 AM

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Describing why I prefer Master over Mistress is like trying to describe the difference between a grapefruit and an orange. Both are citris. Both have peals. Both come in secions, with and without seeds. Both are perfectly delicious fruits. Yet, there are small and subtle differences, most importantly flavor, that makes them hugely different over all. For me, there's a subtle, but important, difference I feel between Master and Mistress. For me, Mistress was a title I struggled to make fit by doing what I thought a Fem Dom "should" do. Master is one that came naturally and I do what I feel is natural to me. And, while I do celebrate my male energy, it has little to do with gender identification OR a strap on (see the point about not doing what I've been told Fem Doms "should" do). It has everything to do with a spiritual path and finding who I truly am.

For those that have been here a while, you all might remember that I used to post as MistressFireBDSM. The profile is still up, but directs you to the Master profile.

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RE: Can a Domme be a Master? - 8/30/2006 7:49:47 AM

MsKatHouston

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This UNBERCUNTGODDESOFTHEUNIVERSE thinks that pervert should do whatever feels right for that pervert.

ok I'll be serious now...people will see you as they see you and no matter what title you give yourself or even if you have a title that was earned or given by an educational institution or group, it won't change someone's perceptions of you. In fact, it may make you work harder to prove you are worthy of such. More important is to act in a manner that is respectable and how you wish to be perceived.

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RE: Can a Domme be a Master? - 8/30/2006 8:15:39 AM

MasterFireMaam

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sunshine119

quote:

ORIGINAL: mistoferin

I have seen a few Dommes refer to themselves as Masters....wouldn't the correct term be Mistress? I have always perceived the word Master as masculine and Mistress as feminine. I have never seen a male Dom refer to himself as a Mistress...why do some Dommes use the masculine form?

Ask Master Fire. She seems to sum it up pretty well in her profile!

Sunshine

Thanks Sunshine. I worked hard on that profile (and actually have it posted in a variety of places). It's nice to know that someone noticed it, if only to conclude that I'm a possible loon. LOL It certainly works as a good filter...the email volume I get is very low and the emails are usually either of quality OR easily recognized as crap.

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RE: Can a Domme be a Master? - 8/30/2006 8:43:55 AM

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ORIGINAL: MasterFireMaam

It has everything to do with a spiritual path and finding who I truly am.

For those that have been here a while, you all might remember that I used to post as MistressFireBDSM. The profile is still up, but directs you to the Master profile.

Master Fire

When i first started posting on cm forums, i had noticed that you chose to call yourself master, and was curious for a time, but then as i read your posts and viewed your profile, it seemed to be a perfect fit and come nicely together for you in that sense. The title fits you perfectly from my standpoint. Good thread though. i never place too much emphasis on labels, for half the time, the person and label are far off the mark.

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RE: Can a Domme be a Master? - 8/30/2006 8:45:50 AM

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ORIGINAL: MsKatHouston

This UNBERCUNTGODDESOFTHEUNIVERSE thinks that pervert should do whatever feels right for that pervert.

ok I'll be serious now...people will see you as they see you and no matter what title you give yourself or even if you have a title that was earned or given by an educational institution or group, it won't change someone's perceptions of you. In fact, it may make you work harder to prove you are worthy of such. More important is to act in a manner that is respectable and how you wish to be perceived.

Uh huh, too much work for way too little return. I'd rather just be "that pervert, over there". Makes things SO much easier.

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RE: Can a Domme be a Master? - 8/30/2006 9:25:21 AM

MasterFireMaam

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ORIGINAL: raiken
i never place too much emphasis on labels, for half the time, the person and label are far off the mark.

This can be true. But, sometimes, the label comes before the action. Calling myself a Master simply means I aspire to be one, whatever the definition of that might be in my head. Simply calling myself a Master makes no comment about where I am on that journey or how well I'm doing. I TRY, but do not always succeed, to keep that in mind when dealing with people. Most slaves I run into here just do NOT match MY definition of a slave. I TRY (but again, usually don't succeed) to keep that in mind and not think that they're clueless people who don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

*Tries REALLY hard and hopes she gets partial credit* ;-)

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RE: Can a Domme be a Master? - 8/30/2006 9:58:06 AM

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Not if they identify as male or butch.

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

I have seen a few Dommes refer to themselves as Masters....wouldn't the correct term be Mistress? why do some Dommes use the masculine form?

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RE: Can a Domme be a Master? - 8/30/2006 9:59:23 AM

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

I have seen a few Dommes refer to themselves as Masters....

I've seen a few Dommes refer to themselves as many other things they obviously are not. Proclamations are not merely limited to a single label of Master (or Mastur)...

Perfecting the sphere and re-inventing the wheel seems to be an on-going never ending process. What is or may be absolutely perfect today does not necessarily have basis or staying power to enable it to apply to tomorrow.

One could also say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

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