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link to complain against SS privatization USA - 8/30/2006 9:48:29 AM

pahunkboy

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http://www.unionvoice.org/campaign/socialsecurity_c_now

...not that i think armchair activism, can "gitter done", anyhow here it is for those who find it usefull.

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RE: link to complain against SS privatization USA - 8/30/2006 10:09:33 AM

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I've paid tens of thousands of dollars into SS over the years. If I live to collect any of it, it will be doled out on a monthly basis in an amount and at an age that seems to be extended again at the whim of government bureaucracy. If I die, my family doesn't get any of it. If I was required to allocate the same amount of money over my 30 years of employment invested in any conservative mutual fund, there would be a few million dollars sitting in a account waiting for my use or my family's.

Any links to complain about that?

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RE: link to complain against SS privatization USA - 8/30/2006 10:17:59 AM

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Hi M and B,

a good idea should stand on its own wieght.

the point is- we are watching-participating.

to answere your question, instead of the prewritten form, use your own words.... express your thoughts.

i have no fear over the typical john/jane doe. however wall street and big money can XXXX me.

if more everyday people expressed themself- to congress- maybe weld have a better society.

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RE: link to complain against SS privatization USA - 8/30/2006 10:38:14 AM

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Not sure why you posted this. Snopes did an article on this a while back and it has been proven that these types of "activism" are completely ignored by the powers that be and get absolutely nothing done.

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RE: link to complain against SS privatization USA - 8/30/2006 10:57:31 AM

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Dear Sirkenin,

How do i skin the cat then?

anyone?

I know on the net nuetrality i wrote a papr letter thru in a pic of my family. im sure a paper leter carries more weight.

im all for learning more about what might work.

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RE: link to complain against SS privatization USA - 8/30/2006 11:01:18 AM

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I still don't understand why people are so against this plan? It is not mandatory, if you don't want to participate, you don't have to. But at least those of us that want to be able to use our money as we see fit, would have that choice. Where is the problem?

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RE: link to complain against SS privatization USA - 8/30/2006 11:02:17 AM

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Well, that is a good question. What we know now is that this armchair quarterback nonsense that several members have displayed in here does not work, so that is a good place to start. It seems that nothing that involves people sitting on their asses does any good. Sooo... It seems that the order of the day is to get out there.. Start knocking on doors. Canvass the neighborhood. Distribute fliers. Gather signatures. Show those in charge that you mean business. Sitting on your ass has never pulled any weight with anyone, no matter the cause.

Hope that helps...?

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RE: link to complain against SS privatization USA - 8/30/2006 11:06:51 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SirKenin

Well, that is a good question. What we know now is that this armchair quarterback nonsense that several members have displayed in here does not work, so that is a good place to start. It seems that nothing that involves people sitting on their asses does any good. Sooo... It seems that the order of the day is to get out there.. Start knocking on doors. Canvass the neighborhood. Distribute fliers. Gather signatures. Show those in charge that you mean business. Sitting on your ass has never pulled any weight with anyone, no matter the cause.

Hope that helps...?

ild like to put out a nieghborhood newsletter.

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RE: link to complain against SS privatization USA - 8/30/2006 11:09:39 AM

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quote:

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I still don't understand why people are so against this plan? It is not mandatory, if you don't want to participate, you don't have to. But at least those of us that want to be able to use our money as we see fit, would have that choice. Where is the problem?

the players on wall street make their money of of people that dont know what they are doing. people that loose on wall street arent going to tell you.

it is a casino thing- it takes from the general fund.

one issue is the fees that wall street will make.

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RE: link to complain against SS privatization USA - 8/30/2006 11:15:56 AM

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quote:

pahunkboy: the players on wall street make their money of of people that dont know what they are doing. people that loose on wall street arent going to tell you.
it is a casino thing- it takes from the general fund.
one issue is the fees that wall street will make.

You'd rather just give all your money to the government and allow them to change the program and eligibility without your permission? Is profit such a bad word for you? Self determination of your SS investment is NOT the same as investing in 'penny' stocks. Mutual Funds are a "risky" investment, but in total none have ever been worthless; unlike SS which is in effect bankrupt.

Every penny you ever put into SS is gone. There is no fund set up in your name that you can get a statement to see how much money you put in and how much money you've made on your "investment". In fact if there was such a report the earning on your investment would be reported as $0.00. You won't accept the possibility of this occurring with a Mutual Fund investment company, but you blindly accept it, support it, want it to continue, and don't question it regarding the government? Who really doesn't "know what they are doing"?

Re: What to do...
I'm following my plan of voting against anyone currently in office regardless of political affiliation. I'm taking the position that in reality voters have only one vote; a Yes/No resolution type decision regarding the course of government. I have never felt so compelled to vote NO!

To that end, I have written, spoken to when opportunity arises, and contributed to every candidate not an incumbent. I am very plain in all manners of communication. I tell them I am voting against the current condition of the US. Once closer to November I will actively campaign and help in the campaign of any candidate seeking to unseat an incumbent. I'm hoping that somehow my position becomes a grass roots movement.

Of course access is easier at the local level. I doubt the letters I sent, to President Bush, my Congressmen and especially to the CA Senators, are even read. But you'd be surprised how even a $20 contribution to a any candidate gets an individual response.

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RE: link to complain against SS privatization USA - 8/30/2006 11:36:42 AM

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M and B,

your post certainly does make me think.

we have alot of talent on this board- i am conviced there HAS to be better then the status quo.

this is the very best the USA can do?? most would say HELL NO. we can and will do better-

thanks for the post

-regards

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