Termyn8or
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Been there done that.
I did stop though because I didn't have a safety and I figured the odds were catching up to me. I used the basic key in ice with a string.
Fair warning; I stopped because I almost got really stuck a couple of times. My setup was strengthened every time I broke it. It is now inescapable.
The padded nylon/velcro cuffs work fine for my wrists, but my ankles are too big. I broke many a leather cuff until I reinforced a pair with steel strapping.
This is a spread eagle on the bed setup. The nylon cuffs do not lock of course, so my rig was adjusted to be tight enough so that no part of my body could touch another. Mainly that I could not get my mouth to the cuffs and undo them.
There is a wood base on a box spring, the chains were screwed to that. On a queen size bed, the chains for the ankles go about 3" in from the sides, on the bottom. This keeps you from putting your legs on the outside to gain that precious inch so you can get to the wrists with your mouth.
The chains for the wrists required a slightly different approach. I am 5'11" so they must be farther apart. In fact for one of my height a queen bed is a minimum unless you get locking wrist cuffs.
They are attached at the bottom rail as well, but right at the corners. My main locking/release consists of two pairs of thumbcuffs. The ankle chains can be anything, but I used dog choker chains for the wrist attachments with it screwed down at the bottom at the length where the loop at the end is about flush with the top of the mattress. I made holes in the top and sides of the matress exposing a fairly stout support wire. One end of each thumbcuff goes through the holes and the end of the dog chain.
The other ends of the thumbcuffs engage the D rings attached to the cuffs. Make sure the cuffs are positioned so the keyhole is accessible.
One side of the keystring is tied right to one of the cuffs, after coming through a loop attached to the side of the bed which is too small for the ice to pass through.
In that way I had a reverse safety, in that the way it was tied if I pulled too hard too early it would break leaving me really stuck. This particular problem never occurred, but in retrospect it was sorta stupid.
One time I locked up in this rig without the key at all, but it was before I had the nylon cuffs. I had to break a leather cuff to get out. After I got the velcro cuffs it was totally inescapable. They are quite a bit stronger than they look. I could stick them through the top of a door and hang my full 200lb body on them by lifting up my legs.
There's a fun one for you that's a bit simpler, get yourself into the cuffs and do exactly that, making sure they are far enough apart so they won't reach each other. Consider that a test, if you can't figure out how to get out if it perhaps you shouldn't practice selfbondage.
Before I got the nylon cuffs I did indeed lock up without a release, relying on my faith in my ability to break the cuffs. Perhaps it was the beers. Believe me, if you are going to drink and do this don't get drunk and stupid. You could die. Of course you can die at any time, but if you are not in posession of your faculties you are playing perhaps a more dangerous game than you wanted.
I really liked doing it after some beers, but a couple of times I may have had one or two too many. Without a release the feeling was exquisite. After some time it was time to get out, or so I thought. No key.
That was an interesting experience. You can't get much leverage in that position. Those particular cuffs didn't have D rings so the thumbcuffs were attached to the buckle. As I struggled one of them flipped, causing a painful situation, but it was what got me out, the force I could apply by pulling then ripped the leather. Not gonna do that again.
I will do selfbondage again, but then it is going to planned a bit more sensibly. Things have changed a bit and now I do have a couple of friends who are kink aware. I think one of them is going to have a key to my house next time. See I can't think of alot of other ways to have a safety, although I have read a few.
I think it was at gromet's I read about the motor oil, used preferably. Get a bucket of it so if you use that key, to get it you need to spill the bucket of (hopefully used) motor oil. Preferably all over yourself. That should be a sufficient deterrent.
Think of that shit all over your bedroom, whether you wear it or not, think of the carpet. If you live in an apartment and have to use this safety method either kiss your deposit goodbye or recarpet the room.
There are many other methods, just make sure they are mighty unpleasant to use. Don't be tempted to use anything flammable. It takes a hell of alot to ignite used motor oil, but don't use tranny fluid or brake fluid. They can be persuaded to ignite alot easier. I am also talking used oil from a properly running engine, an ignition problem might dump some raw gas into the crankcase. We don't want that, plus it smells and is more toxic if you decide to make yourself wear it to get out.
Remember, that is the safety, the main release has to do with ice. It is very rare that ice will fail, but one possibility is if it is winter and your heating system breaks down. This actually happened to me. I was not bound, but I was locked in a chastity device. It was 12 degrees F. The overtemp sensor went bad in my furnace and it was throwing really frigid air constantly.
The keys were in ice, but this was supposed to be overnight. I was new to chastity devices at the time and had not yet worn for a long period. I had to climb up in the attic, go to the parts place and fix it wearing. It was an experience. I had to take care of business and couldn't get out.
If I'd been spread eagled that night I might've been in trouble, it was getting cold. Really cold. It didn't get down to 32, but let's just say milk would not have spoiled. Without even being bound my fingers were a bit numb, after all I had been sleeping. So even ice is not absolutely foolproof. I expected the ice to have melted by the morning.
A sidebar on chastity belts/devices, they are an insidious form of bondage. You can wear one for weeks and still function. If you leave the keys at home, at work, you are really locked. Try to keep your mind off it and be productive. I did.
I think my next step there is to actually leave the keys at work. See a chastity device would very rarely pose a real risk. You can simply walk out of the burning building etc, you are not tethered to anything. You just can't have sex, even with yourself. In some rare cases a chastity device may need to be cut off. Like if you get in a car wreck, they can't put you under the Xray machine wearing it, but a hospital should have cutting tools on hand. How you handle such an incident psychologically is another thing altogether.
It would be a similar thing to getting caught all tied up. I don't think it would be as hard to deal with though. With strict selfbondage you might wind up being released by a family member, a friend, a neighbor or the police or firemen. You get caught in public wearing a chastity belt or device you have many options. Your spouse put it on you, or who knows. If you are strong mentally you can go further and explain things, about how much better sex is after it comes off etc., I think most people could at least understand that much.
If someone walked in here and found me all helplessly tied to the bed after my release failed, well, for one it would depend alot on who it was. There would be another factor, only one other person has a key to my house, and let me tellya, getting into my house without a key is no easy task. In fact when I lock the night lock it is even harder, even with a key. We are talking climbing in windows on the second floor here.
Cops wouldn't do that, they would need a battering ram to break down my $400 solid door. It is a slab door with a small window, but being 84' high instead of standard, it is more expensive. for me that's a deterrent, I could see the discussion with the insurance company now. Why did they break down the door ? I think I wouldn't file a claim, just pay for the thing myself. There's a deterrent for you, but to be careful and not get stuck, basically not to FUCK UP.
I am not saying not to do it, you drive a car ? Well you don't want the car smashed and you con't want to hurt people right ? So you don't FUCK UP. That would be a good analogy. If you choose to drink, well we all know you can drive on like two beers, but if something happens, even not your fault you might've bought yourself alot of trouble. If you are drunk enough where you are starting to feel REAL good, a bit of ineptitude, euphoria kicking in you would be a fool to drive a car. The odds are not in your favor.
This varies with how you handle your alcohol. See, I drink, in moderation every day. So if I do this, for one the thing is planned when sober. Don't be stupid in the planning stage. You need setup time for the ice to freeze. Stay coherent, you'll enjoy it more too. If you have a tendency to throw up, don't drink to that point, you might drown in your own vomit. That has got to really suck.
Another criterium, safe sane and consentual. If you are not able to give consent to yourself due to being intoxicated, perhaps tonight is not the night.
When I was doing this the bad way, I mean without a safety, I may have had some well hidden depression. I am stoic, but I recognise that attitude and judgement can still be affected by one's mood. Back then I did a few risky activities, no doubt. Selfbondage was just one of them. Doing it that way, the bad way may have helped me appreciate life.
Whatever impels you to do it, start small. You must develop the dexterity to even get out with the key. Find keyholes you can't see, perhaps get the wrists a bit nimbler.
As another test, get some police handcuffs (NOT hingecuffs) and put them on behind your back with both keyholes facing up. Learn to get them off. If you can't do that, well, at least you are not tethered to anything and you can say you were just screwing around. This is a minor thing compared to what else they might catch you doing.
I have some cuffs you can't get out of even with the key if installed the "wrong" way.
http://members.aol.com/zzyzzwicky2/badcuffs2.jpg
( if tht URL doesn't work try)
http://members.aol.com/zzyzzwicky2/badcuffs02.jpg
and me wearing them
http://members.aol.com/zzyzzwicky2/proof.jpg
You see in that picture the keyholes all face toward my wrists, and you need to undo at least two of the locks to get out. If "installed" the other way, there is no way out even with the key. You simply can't get them close enough to your mouth because of their rigidity. You can't turn, so therefore you can't get to the keyholes.
There are some other impossibilities. I have a full Bishop head harness gag. I also have a pair of leather fist mitts from Extremerestraints. I could build a rig so I could get into both at the same time. I could put on the gag and a mitt, but without my teeth I cannot put the other mitt on. Not that hard to solve, perhaps something involving string etc. could be devised. But then how do I get out ? Actually it sounds like an interesting challenge.
So you have to think ahead. Get your release completely figured out and practice. If you like rope I have a way to tie a noose with a controlled minimum diameter, with 2:1, 3:1 or 4:1 mechanical advantage. Not easy to get out of, but I did it. This was a skill I had to develop. One hand at a time. I won't try to describe exactly how to tie it right now, I will attempt to draw it. In fact I have drawn it but I don't remember the filename. It is a crude drawing, I might try to do it better and upload it. I'll drop the link in later.
It absolutley will not cut off your circulation if you tie it right, that is to set the minimum diameter. The number of loops of the exit rope around the closure sets the mechanical advantage. Loop around once at first, then do more. One hand only. Then set it to a higher leverage by looping in trough twice, three times. Remember when you do that it takes more slack because it takes a longer "pull" to tighten. At the best, the dimensions are (when you are ready) so that you must cinch one tight to slip into the other. To tighten, just pull.
Lay there and figure that one out for awhile. Do not use a gag, you need your mouth to get out of it.
As much as it may turn some people off, get some Depends, really. Really, even if you have a failsafe release, do you want to use it to go take a pee ? Some people think it is humiliating, a full grown adult in a wet soggy diaper, but then if you're practicing selfbondage, one you might not get caught, two you don't want the mess. If I read my kinky freaky friends correctly, this might not be so bad, for some it might even be icing on the cake. Others completely dismiss diapers. That is your choice, do whatever you want.
Whatever you do, what I said about alcohol applies to all intoxicants. Don't get shitfaced on anything and start this shit. Tht would be as stupid as going out in your car or boat. The consequences are significant. You could die. Actually in selfbondage it is easier to die. Keep that in mind. Even if you were stupid enough to go a bit too far at the bar and drove home, that doesn't really mean you are coherent enough to do selfbondage.
One of these days I'll tell you about my seven point restraint. In the meantime, go do a search for segufix. It's a restraint system made for institutions with a magnetic lock. That key should be just fine in ice. They are not kink aware so buying their product is not easy. It is also very expensive. You see them on eBay once in a while, and there are resellers here and there, but it is hard to get.
That's enough for now, I'll be back.
T
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