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The Art of Mind "Phucking" - 1/4/2005 8:18:09 PM   
willing2serve


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Status: offline 		What does the art of mind phucking mean to you?

For me as the phuckee, I crave this. This means to me someone is very intelligent and can "outbest" me by taking the mind with actions to get reactions. It also means to me in my opinion that the person has to have intimate knowledge of you to truly be an artist. In my limited experience, not many people are well versed or experienced on this art or does the degree of effectiveness depend on the people involved? What's makes the artist enjoy giving as much as some enjoy receiving?

Would love to know your opinions on this...

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RE: The Art of Mind "Phucking" - 1/4/2005 9:09:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		From my personal view mind phucking is most pleasurable for me as the Dominant to watch the discumfiture on the Phuckees face. To see their confussion. The questioning look.... is that correct or not? Whats next to come from the mouth of my Dom/Domme/Master/Mistress's mouth. But its not only this that gives me great pleasure its also the lasting affects from the mind phucking. The continued doing of such things once implanted from the phucking into the minds most intimate places. Deep into the recesses which can not be reached by physical means. To hit the areas that break beariers away and assist the Dom/sub relationship to come closer inch by beautifully implimented inch. Weaving those ever so interesting and delicate webs inside the phuckee's mind to envelope them through means not of physical beings. To watch and read all the emotions that go across the phuckee's face and knowing exactly what they are really thinking because of such. To me it is one of the greater feelings to be able to reach the inner most workings of the submissives mind.
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RE: The Art of Mind "Phucking" - 1/4/2005 9:33:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's definately an art and something I think should be included under the "skills" section for the Tops/Dom/mes.

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RE: The Art of Mind "Phucking" - 1/4/2005 9:34:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		DameDarkness you verbalized it so well. It is very true those acts have a lasting intimate impression. Thank you so much for your reply, it provided me more insight to things I have already felt.

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RE: The Art of Mind "Phucking" - 1/4/2005 9:36:56 PM   
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RE: The Art of Mind "Phucking" - 1/4/2005 9:39:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Very true slavebaby...it should be listed as a skill...Do you think most or very few have this ability or skill?

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RE: The Art of Mind "Phucking" - 1/4/2005 9:49:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		I believe those who are able to read people very well have the ability to do the mind phucking. Those who are not able to read people well do not seem to have the ability. This of course comes from my own personal viewings of the situations. And i dont expect others to think such is correct. I have just my personal knowledge that when I read people i can read their expressions and come very close if not be on the dot about what they are thinking or feeling 99% of the time. In which I use to assist in the mind phucking which inevitably breaks down the beariers that are implimented by the phuckee. Its most interesting when this happens with just a few words to persons i dont even know personally. But I dont always do such to be twisted towards the Phuckee and make them think and wonder and squirm with wonderment.... sometimes its just a good way to break the ice and make the other person laugh. Mind phucking yes is a skill a skill that can get you into tough situations and out of them as well. You just have to know how to use the ability. And I will say for those trying to learn the ability it is not easily learned. I have honed my ability over the years just by watching others and remembering their expressions and putting expressions together with emotions i have either felt or others have said they felt. And of course I have done a lot of reading and learning of diff subjects. But one thing that has greatly increased my ability is people watching.

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RE: The Art of Mind "Phucking" - 1/4/2005 9:59:53 PM   
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quote:

Very true slavebaby...it should be listed as a skill...Do you think most or very few have this ability or skill?


To be honest I have met very few with the ability to do this. I'm talking about a serious mind phuck..one that leaves you shakin in your own skin.

Anyone can swing a flogger..but to be able to creep inside someones head and bitch smack their mind a bit? Sheww..that takes creativity, planning and just a twisted mind indeed.

~tam

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RE: The Art of Mind "Phucking" - 1/4/2005 10:08:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		most definately slavebaby....I fully agree with that statement. But you must remember im very twisted ;)

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RE: The Art of Mind "Phucking" - 1/5/2005 5:20:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		I enjoyed being mind fucked by my Mistress.
It allowed me to Respect Her more for Her
Creativity, Wit, Charm, Humor, Intelligence,
and most of all Love, it was usually was done in a
pleasurable way.

I am trying to remember to write past tense here

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RE: The Art of Mind "Phucking" - 1/5/2005 5:27:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think that the hardest part of the mind fuck is in pulling it off while still maintaining a baseline of trust....well...that and keeping myself from grinning like a monkey.

I've heard a lot of people mention in earlier threads that mindfucks are deceitful...dishonest...sneaky and that they basically undermine the foundation of trust in the relationship. I suppose this is somewhat true. It is deceitful, dishonest and sneaky....in other words...Evil. (I enjoy being Evil. It keeps me warm.)

But does it really undermine the trust of the relationship? Or does is it more of a trust building tool?

Think about some team building exercises some of you may have encountered at corporate meetings, sports teams, theatre groups, boyscouts, etc. I recall standing on the edge of a stage with my eyes closed and falling backwards...hoping that the people positioned there would catch me. Isn't that a bit of a mindfuck? Placing all that trust into a group of strangers?

Now take that scenario and move it into the BDSM realm. A group of male dominants and a female slave. The slave brought in, blindfolded, and told that she would perform oral on every man present. She hears the voices of other men...feels strange hands touching her...but in reality as she is moved from person to person, she is still going down on her Master only.

Is she uncomfortable? Yes. Did she perform according to her Master's wishes? Yes....well...as far as she knew she had. But did it undermine the trust of the relationship? I would say no. I believe that things like this can, for lack of a better word, "confirm" the commitment between a dominant and submissive.

Ok...Im done rambling. Hope you all can make sense of that as I am writing without my usual levels of caffeine.

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RE: The Art of Mind "Phucking" - 1/5/2005 5:44:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well said Thorns and nice scenario by way of explanation too ;)

Agree with what others have said... been able to carry them out is a skill in itself.

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RE: The Art of Mind "Phucking" - 1/5/2005 5:49:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Mrthorns...I agree... very well put.....I liked the example too...(smile)..I think everyone agrees so far that it is not a deceitful or mistrusting thing....in all actuality makes the relationship more trusting and more intimate.

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RE: The Art of Mind "Phucking" - 1/5/2005 7:51:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Mind Phucking? What's that? I never heard of it. I've never been able to get my penis to fit inside an ear or a nose.
Is it something to do with mannipulation or emotional fore play to keep the other person always guessing about you? Dose Mind Phucking evnolve teasing the hell out of someone untill they can't take it and then some. I never thought of doing anything like that before.




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RE: The Art of Mind "Phucking" - 1/5/2005 8:00:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		[Tell us another one FangsNFeet that we might believe. The tooth fairy, The Easter Bunny and the man on the moon are all waiting for another story ..Santa was tired so he said he would sit this one out

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RE: The Art of Mind "Phucking" - 1/5/2005 8:34:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Mind Phucking? Just what is it? I remember reading The Story of O and Ann Rices version of Sleeping Beauty. I watched the movies Cruel Intentions, Dangerous Liasonce, House of 1000 Courpses, and April Fools. And how about the movie that just came out where the guy had ppl locked up in his house and showed a very sadistic side to his quest? Also the Dallas series is now avalible on DVD and can be watched on Soap Net. Are any or all of these things I've read and watched related to mind Phucking? If so I'm not all that sure I'm into it. You'll just have to msg me and chat some to find out.

As for Santa sitting out, poor guy. He travels around in a slay full of toy shouting out Ho Ho Ho and he never gets one.
I thought HO's liked toys. Other than that I was a good boy last year and got a Bag of Swithes from Santa. I can't wait to try them out




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RE: The Art of Mind "Phucking" - 1/5/2005 9:10:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Is this the same FangsNFeet that posted on another board about teasing a sub wanting a collar, even to the point of spanking her with it? Then later saif that was Him being nice until the sub actually had the collar? That guy doesn't know anything about mind phucking? i think someone fibs.

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RE: The Art of Mind "Phucking" - 1/5/2005 5:45:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		MrThorns..... It can honestly go either way.... You can build trust with mind fucking and you can tear it down. But with all honestly I feel it builds trust with my submissives because it makes them really think. They have to start using their minds. Like all things there is a good side and an evil side. It really does depend on how u as the dominant decide to use such abilities. Of course you can inadvertantly destroy trust while attempting to mind fuck if your not very good at it. So unless u know you are good at it I wouldnt try it until you get mentored on it further if that of course is what you are wanting to learn further on.

Dame

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RE: The Art of Mind "Phucking" - 1/5/2005 5:50:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		ROFLMAO..... thats just not right FangsNfeet.................... ROFLMAO, But I am not surprised youd do somthing like that.

Dame

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RE: The Art of Mind "Phucking" - 1/9/2005 8:16:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		for me in a D/s relationship with someone i love, whom loves me, i have complete trust that i am safe. Mindphucking is necessary to induce that frisson of fear/doubt/excitement. It assists me into subspace at 100mph. Nothing drops me quicker as a submissive than this tool.

Humiliation to me is a mind fuck. I get lost in a miriad of reactions, as i try desperately to respond or not to respond. I hate it, it doesnt fit with my image of how i want to be treated, it truly fucks with my mind, in a perpetual dilema of rushing thoughts and emotions. the coping alpha female is a wobbling mess. But a truly submissive wobbling mess. Were i not to completely trust someone, and they tried this, well, id better be securely tied, or my response would be entirely different, possibly aggressive.

Once in subspace, mindphucking from sensation play is just plain bizarre! I could swear i felt this or that, im incredulous afterwards to discover it was nothing of the sort, then feel a bit of a fool, but hey, small price to pay id say.

Interestingly, the mindphucking is a switchy activity for us. I can trip him with it. Ive been a cognitive behavioural therapist for some time, and use this type of interaction a great deal, though its not called mindphucking in the text books lol. But a technique i use daily at work, in a non sexual way, allows me to slip comments into our general conversations that throw him out of kilter. Just my way of enjoying some topping from the bottom outside of the D/s dynamic.

I do believe it to be a tool that can be aquired. Years of people watching, a genuine interest in the human mind, and perhaps starting small. By this i mean, its easier to phuck someones mind that you allready have the trust of, that you know and can to some accuracy predict.

Fangs and feet, may i suggest you ditch your car, and start using public transport, truly a mecca for the serious people watchers amoungst us. (whip me with a collar indeed!)

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