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sophia37 -> RE: 1950's Household (9/5/2006 1:51:58 PM)
Important Historic and Cultural Events 1950 - President Harry Truman ( 'til 1952) approves production of the hydrogen bomb and Sends air force and navy to Korea in June. 1951 - Transcontinental television begins with a speech by Pres. Truman. Dwight D. Eisenhower is president from 1953 until 1961 1952 - The Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1952 is signed, removing racial and ethnic barriers to becoming a U.S. citizen. 1953 - Julius and Ethel Rosenberg are electrocuted for their part in W.W.II espionage. 1953 - Fighting ends in Korea. 1954 - U. S. Senator Joseph McCarthy begins televised hearings into alleged Communists in the army. 1954 - Racial segregation is ruled unconstitutional in public schools by the U.S. Supreme Court. 1955 - Rosa Parks refuses to give up her seat on a public bus in Montgomery, Alabama. 1955 - The American Federation of Labor and the Congress of Industrial Organizations merge making the new AFL-CIO an organization with 15 million members. also in 1955 Dr. Jonas Salk developed a vaccine for polio 1956 - The Federal Highway Act is signed, marking the beginning of work on the interstate highway system. 1958 - Explorer I, the first U.S. satellite, successfully orbits the earth. December 10, 1958 - The first domestic jet-airline passenger service is begun by National Airlines between New York City and Miami. 1959 - Alaska and Hawaii become the forty-ninth and fiftieth states.

sophia37 -> RE: 1950's Household (9/5/2006 1:55:45 PM)
The Literature & Culture of the American 1950s http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/50s/home.html

popeye1250 -> RE: 1950's Household (9/5/2006 7:53:55 PM)
Susan, yes, we had one of those old metal milk boxes on the porch too. lol You'd wash out the empty milk bottles and leave them in there for the milkman and he'd replace them with full ones. Oh, check your messages!!! Road Trip.

Owned1 -> RE: 1950's Household (9/5/2006 8:04:59 PM)
Before we romantisize the 50's lets remember what happened to those women who did not have a career and thier wonderful husbands either died or walked out on them. Today it is far better to have the ability to have a career and know you can provide for your family if you must. As well you are able to assist in providing for the family so the Man of the house is not the only one bearing the entire weight of the world on his shoulders. Is it any wonder many men fooled around, drank or simply ran away? I do agree the lines between man and woman have become blurred to the point of no one really knows what they should or should not be doing or saying. I think that is part of the increase in the awareness of BDSM, M/s D/s~~~Clarity of roles, where everyone knows their place. I have a career, I enjoy my career, my career permits us to do much more than we could if we were to live on Master's income alone. However my career is second to my family, if there is a choice family is always first. Owned

babysburnin -> RE: 1950's Household (9/5/2006 8:33:52 PM)
The only reason we look back so fondly on the 1950's household is because we now have the CHOICE. If we did not have the choice, I believe many would be resentful, unhappy, unfulfilled ... all the reasons why the "woman's lib" movement began. I would be most happy with a 1950's household - adjusted for the realities of our current culture (similar to adjusted for inflation). I am "old-fashioned". I want a strong man. I want to be a soft woman. BUT ... I'm glad it's my choice, and I'm glad I have an education and input in my relationship. I would like to think that I'm not merely a cook (which I love) or a maid (which I dislike), but rather a valued advisor, friend and lover. I do believe we've (Western Culture) complicated things ... some to advantage and some to detriment. Every era romantices the one before as the "good 'ole days". The question is ... what do we make of this (mess)? The answer for me is that we all shed all preconcieved notions. It seems we are taking a turn where "politically correct" is an old and annoying term we already know (or should), and "Be true to yourself, we have options" should prevail.

LadyHugs -> RE: 1950's Household (9/5/2006 8:43:12 PM)
Dear loobylou, Ladies and Gentlemen; I am one of those born in the early 1950's. Dad a WWII veteran met my mother who was a nurse, while he was visiting a class chum of his. Married in 1946 and had kids in early 1950's. My memories of my father working several jobs as to provide for his family. Mother stayed home to raise the kids and keep house. Problem is, mother was lacking in domestic qualities in some areas. It was a time before microwaves, selection of foods was not as good as todays and didn't improve until "The French Chef" appeared on TV and inspired women to cook. Unlike other parents, my father made sure my mother was on every financial checkbook and savings, each property deed or title. Stores were closed on Sunday, half day Saturday. We dressed for Sunday Dinner. Never did like having to change clothes so often just for a weekend dinner. However, this was our training ground for table manners and entertaining, how to fit out a proper table, to serve and to have teas. Most foods were made from scratch and Birds-eye was the first company to have veggies in a pouch to boil in water, for those women who hate to cook. Swanson introduced the first "TV Dinner" designed for TV Trays as television programs were best during dinner time. I will add that Dad escorted his daughters to the table and sat us, also showing what proper gentlemen did. So, there were many lessons of what we may discover elements of M/s or D/s. There were rules, rituals and clear authority structures. Unless in 'play,' I was in dresses. Mom wore a hat, gloves and heels mainly for social and church events but, some older women shopped mid day with hats, gloves and in heels. Perhaps the wearing of gloves cut down the germs passing around back then. Respectfully submitted with many memories, Lady Hugs

Mavis -> RE: 1950's Household (9/5/2006 8:43:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SusanofO I just miss the feeling I used to get when people used to describe men and women that way - because it felt wonderful to me to someday look forward to having some man to look up to and adore, and know they were going to care about watching over me or protecting me - because they actually wanted to do that, and it made them feel good inside . *Nobody ever, ever* talks that way anymore, ever.** - Susan Excwuze me?? i think that is exactly what W/we talk about here alla time! There are plenty telling of just that very thing, the fulfillment they get from at least some, if not all aspects of looking up to, following, serving, adoring their Leads. W/we hear from the Leads.. posting about the care T/they take over T/their charges and the pride when they excell at something, T/their willingness to be the breadwinner to allow her to be the steward of the home... how subs and slaves often say they wish only to create the perfect home environment for Him to be happy and at ease... Feminism allowed me to choose to stay home and cater to the Him.. instead of doing it because i had few other options. i think W/we have a TON of 50's traditionals around here enjoying happy D/s or M/s relationships because they couldn't see being happy any other way. (Not to discount those who practice the flipside of such, or the non- traditional relationships --- which i also enjoy! i'm talking a portion of the dynamics represented here only)

SirDaniel -> RE: 1950's Household (9/5/2006 10:18:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mavis quote: ORIGINAL: SusanofO I just miss the feeling I used to get when people used to describe men and women that way - because it felt wonderful to me to someday look forward to having some man to look up to and adore, and know they were going to care about watching over me or protecting me - because they actually wanted to do that, and it made them feel good inside . *Nobody ever, ever* talks that way anymore, ever.** - Susan Excwuze me?? i think that is exactly what W/we talk about here alla time! There are plenty telling of just that very thing, the fulfillment they get from at least some, if not all aspects of looking up to, following, serving, adoring their Leads. W/we hear from the Leads.. posting about the care T/they take over T/their charges and the pride when they excell at something, T/their willingness to be the breadwinner to allow her to be the steward of the home... how subs and slaves often say they wish only to create the perfect home environment for Him to be happy and at ease... Feminism allowed me to choose to stay home and cater to the Him.. instead of doing it because i had few other options. i think W/we have a TON of 50's traditionals around here enjoying happy D/s or M/s relationships because they couldn't see being happy any other way. (Not to discount those who practice the flipside of such, or the non- traditional relationships --- which i also enjoy! i'm talking a portion of the dynamics represented here only) I could not have said it better myself. Thank you very much.

popeye1250 -> RE: 1950's Household (9/5/2006 10:47:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyHugs Dear loobylou, Ladies and Gentlemen; I am one of those born in the early 1950's. Dad a WWII veteran met my mother who was a nurse, while he was visiting a class chum of his. Married in 1946 and had kids in early 1950's. My memories of my father working several jobs as to provide for his family. Mother stayed home to raise the kids and keep house. Problem is, mother was lacking in domestic qualities in some areas. It was a time before microwaves, selection of foods was not as good as todays and didn't improve until "The French Chef" appeared on TV and inspired women to cook. Unlike other parents, my father made sure my mother was on every financial checkbook and savings, each property deed or title. Stores were closed on Sunday, half day Saturday. We dressed for Sunday Dinner. Never did like having to change clothes so often just for a weekend dinner. However, this was our training ground for table manners and entertaining, how to fit out a proper table, to serve and to have teas. Most foods were made from scratch and Birds-eye was the first company to have veggies in a pouch to boil in water, for those women who hate to cook. Swanson introduced the first "TV Dinner" designed for TV Trays as television programs were best during dinner time. I will add that Dad escorted his daughters to the table and sat us, also showing what proper gentlemen did. So, there were many lessons of what we may discover elements of M/s or D/s. There were rules, rituals and clear authority structures. Unless in 'play,' I was in dresses. Mom wore a hat, gloves and heels mainly for social and church events but, some older women shopped mid day with hats, gloves and in heels. Perhaps the wearing of gloves cut down the germs passing around back then. Respectfully submitted with many memories, Lady Hugs L Lady, my father was a WW2 Veteran too. He was on a Destroyer in the S. Pacific and saw a lot of combat. His ship was torpedoed in Feb of '45 and 21 men were killed and many wounded including my father. And most of my friends had fathers who were WW2 Veterans too. As for "Hats" yeah, I remember out in public woman wore hats! And in church of course! And "Easter Bonnets" too. And I remember walking home from school one day and seeing a coal truck dumping a load into a house's cellar down a big shute. Oh, you must remember "church keys", no twist off bottles or drink cans in those days so you always needed a "church key." As for the "1950's lifestyle" I could do it here because I'm retired with a pension and my mortgage payment on this place is very low. It'd be great to have a "1950's style wife" taking care of me and this place dressed in high heels, stockings, garterbelt, short black skirt and white shirt. And we could call each other "Ward & June!" lol And maybe when we go out she could wear a nice looking hat and a nice flowery dress once in a while. And I could wear a sportscoat, slacks, dress shirt and tie! That'd be kind of "formal" for this area as it's a vacation-resort-golf area here for the most part and very "informal." Even my lawyer wears jeans and a shirt in his office.

porcelaine -> RE: 1950's Household (9/6/2006 1:47:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: babysburnin The only reason we look back so fondly on the 1950's household is because we now have the CHOICE. If we did not have the choice, I believe many would be resentful, unhappy, unfulfilled ... all the reasons why the "woman's lib" movement began. The question is ... what do we make of this (mess)? The answer for me is that we all shed all preconcieved notions. It seems we are taking a turn where "politically correct" is an old and annoying term we already know (or should), and "Be true to yourself, we have options" should prevail. It is the choice and lack of direct experience that makes these things far more enjoyable for many. I didn't grow up in that era and wasn't born at all. But during my lifetime I have always felt an odd affinity with cultural practices that predate the present century. For me it has always been the formality, hierarchy, and sense of place that everyone possessed. Regardless of where one fell on the social ladder, certain mannerisms and decorum were commonplace. I don't foresee myself recreating a 1950's style household. However, I do find elements of the Victorian and Edwardian age that I would definitely bring into my home. This coincides with my own upbringing and appreciation for a more traditionally oriented lifestyle. While I do desire a career and have opted to start my own business. I take pride in the opportunity to give care and support to my partner, regardless if these things existed. I could easily slip into the role of business woman or join the ladies who lunch set. I believe it is important to wear a variety of hats. It brings value to the relationship and allows me to shift gears when necessary. porcelaine

Mavis -> RE: 1950's Household (9/6/2006 5:14:42 AM)
Popeye, lol on Ward n June. Would i then have to refer to it all as "the W/j dynamic"? :: traipses off to ask Master if there is a typing convention for that :::

Silvermoon -> RE: 1950's Household (9/6/2006 5:35:34 AM)
Susan, Thanks for your post it was nice to read. It was also refreshing. I feel VERY much the same way. On nearly all points so I won't go over them again, you summed it up perfectly. Unfortunately it seems this day in age it's nearly impossible to live on one income. I very strongly believe in raising my own children under they are in school all day. I very strongly believe in maintaining my household. I truly wish we could find a balance. I think many of the social issues rampant in this generation are a direct result in a change in the 'nuclear' family. I was born in the wrong era, but that doesn't stop me from trying. Nor does it stop me from trying to teach my daughters both the strength in independance and self-reliance as well as the (past) ideals. I'm a very strong woman, who can balance work, family, and lifestyle in an independant manner. But I whole-heartedly admit...I'm happiest at home, in the kitchen, around the house working for my family. Not an employee for strangers, where I'm simply a number and don't make much of a difference. Sincerely, Silver

lmarieh -> RE: 1950's Household (9/6/2006 6:05:46 AM)
Hello there A/all. I think something of both opposing views in the aforementioned hit of some major truths. I however, take it one step further. YES. Feminism is a valuable tool. We can vote, we can participate in government and church, we can own businesses, and we can do almost anything men can. And yes, that choice is an amazing and wonderful thing. I personally am a propionate of basic gender roles. I believe simply that most men and women's brains process differently and are geared toward completely different things. Here's where things begin to get messy. Feminism was initially a mechanism to provide for a woman's right to CHOICE in her life. Unfortunately, our PC, over-the-top culture has taken things too far. In my university (U of M- goooo Wolverines!) a lot of teachers do this stupid, announce who you are to the class thing. You state your name, major, and where you want to be in five years. No one, NO one has received my honest answer well. That is, when I say "I want to be married, at home, caring for my children until they're in school full time in five years," I get JAW DROPS. I've heard the arguments. It's a waste of a mind, it's mind-numbing, it's stupid since you're so intelligent since you could be so successful professionally.... I am also a nanny. I raise ‘career women’s’ children for a living while going to school. There are something between a mother and a child you can’t replicate. And I think that denying children time with their mother ultimately can be destructive to them. I’m not saying always, but I am saying that it happens. I’ve seen it. I get comments about my job, about how it’s not furthering my career, or whatever. The bottom line is, I love it. I love children. I’m great with them. I think it’s one of my greatest assets. Because of the “over-feminization” it is not acceptable for me to express my views in public venues, like in school or on the job market. And NO (for you debaters out there) I’m not confusing popular with acceptable. I’ve been ‘not picked’ because people think I won’t do a good job because my life’s plans don’t hinge on an A++ in Pre-1932 Literature. I’ve lost friends over the argument. I’ve lost respect of professors in a one-on-one situation. I’m not expressing that it’s unpopular. That’s not it at all. It’s detrimental to me socially and academically. You see, feminism has been manipulated into meaning something new all together. It no longer indicates a woman's right to choose, but rather, indicates a woman doing all a man can do. These things are not mutually exclusive, and yet our culture has attempted to make it so. It's a battle of terms, of definitions or semantics. You can't win it; you can't change how America says Feminism. You can only ride the way to well meant intentions. My friend’s think I'm a bit loopy to want that 1950's-esque lifestyle. Maybe I am. Maybe I'm crazy, but I bet you those women, the ones who burned their bras in protest so that they could choose, would be enraged at the way MY choices are limited.

Mavis -> RE: 1950's Household (9/6/2006 6:45:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lmarieh My friend’s think I'm a bit loopy to want that 1950's-esque lifestyle. Maybe I am. Maybe I'm crazy, but I bet you those women, the ones who burned their bras in protest so that they could choose, would be enraged at the way MY choices are limited. Yea, verily and amen. They would. i have discussed with friends in their 70's and 80's who stomped for us when they were 30-40, and they do say that very thing.

popeye1250 -> RE: 1950's Household (9/6/2006 11:28:25 AM)
Susan, check your messages! (Someone tell Susan to check her messages!lol)

LadyHugs -> RE: 1950's Household (9/6/2006 11:55:28 AM)
Dear popeye1250, Ladies and Gentlemen; You wrote; quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 And I remember walking home from school one day and seeing a coal truck dumping a load into a house's cellar down a big shute. Oh, you must remember "church keys", no twist off bottles or drink cans in those days so you always needed a "church key." As for the "1950's lifestyle" I could do it here because I'm retired with a pension and my mortgage payment on this place is very low. I do remember coal trucks dumping coal into a shute at my grandmother's home in rural Maryland. Rather interesting what coal looks like, the coal bucket and shovel we have in the basement, which is a time treasure box. For those who don't know what a church key is it is a oval round top, with a thin shaft, to which you had to thread in a metal tab then twist all around a can to open it. Planter's Peanuts was famous for such 'church key' cans. The can opener (before electric), was a sharp pointed opener on one side and the other had a round end. Pry and open. The pointed end punched a hole into the tin can and you created a smaller hole to make the liquid pour better. I remember Miller, Budweiser, Paps Blue Ribbon Beer and Olympia Beer having to be punched with a can opener/beer can opener. I also remember my father smoking Half 'n Half tobacco, having to church key the can open. Deviled Ham, Spam as well. I also have my mother's vintage high heels from the 40's and 50's. I wouldn't mind passing them on to somebody who can wear them but, the shoe size is rather small. I would wear them but arthritis makes it painful to do so. Size 5.5 is what I wear. They aren't mint condition--they were worn a lot! My parent's home is still stuck in 1951. We have the orginal 1951 GE Stove (electric). We still have the 1954 GE Custom refrigerator with turning shelves. Nothing is sold like that these days and the bulb for the freezer section has a medium base showcase/bookcase bulb. GE doesn't make such bulbs anymore but, Dad had stocked up on parts long ago. So, we have a lot and will outlast us no doubt. Underground spring use to supply our home with water until we got city water. Hand pump replacement is in the garage and just needs a extension of the pipe to go lower as building upset the water table. We had really sweet water. Bathroom is still original 1951. Dad's wiring still is sound (he was a master electrician), no central A/C; baseboard heat (bleeding the air out of the circuits is required every autumn before firing up the furnace/boiler). Sump pump is original and we have a 1940's vintage refrigerator in the basement. Most of the tools are 1950's and before. Oh, and redwood siding on the house. You can't get it anymore. And, the wood floors have marks in it, when Mom wore high heels to the point where the nail was exposed. Living room and dining room have the original finish from 1951 on the wood floors, having been protected with rugs. The floor in the kitchen is original. The plans came from a picture in a catalog but, my father added more beef to the structure. Respectfully submitted for consideration, Lady Hugs

LadyHugs -> RE: 1950's Household (9/6/2006 12:22:34 PM)
Dear Imarieh, Ladies and Gentlemen; I do have many agreements with your post. I am sure, if given quality men to draw from it would be easier to be a contented wife, stay at home, raise kids and make sure the man is rewarded for his efforts. But, society has changed a lot. Women are still not paid on an equal level with men, even when I was working identical shifts, job and hours. So, any self respecting business man wants more for less, so thus we have women doing things men won't do because they want the money. I do agree Mothers are important to a child's growth. But, I will say that it is important for the Fathers to be 'there' for children also. I learned more from my father than my mother. Some mothers are awful and some children would be better off without them but, it also can be said with fathers--its all 'individuals' that create the problem in bringing up kids. What should be applauded though, is that there are single parents out there raising good kids. It is easy to view things in the negatives. I agree, feminism has been manipulated into many shapes and for many purposes. However, so has politics, economics, religion, society and civilization. Men will always feel threatened by feminism but, until there is an understanding that there are many flavors to feminism it really isn't so bad. My sadness though, comes from witnessing my mother's generation of women having to manipulate for their voice and respect at home. The males enabled their wives to be unable to fend for themselves, making men necessary; so it created the situation. Kids from that generation rebell just as their generation did. It is evolution of society and civilization. Sometimes it is accelerated due to war. We witnessed that when men overseas depleted the work force so women took up jobs because it was about those boys overseas--not about the pay check. Everybody did to help fuel the war's hunger for supplies and soldiers. Now, economics fuel the need for both parents to work and it is getting worse. Priorities do change. But, as far as relationship goes--I don't think any one particular generation has found the keys to perfection in relationships period. I do believe in M/s or D/s though, the communication is elevated due to the nature of our pleasures. I think that your right to pursue as you pursue is worth admiration. Those who are friends lost, were never friends at all; as they would stand near you in thick and thin, popular or unpopular. Find your bliss dear lass--find your bliss. Respectfully submitted for consideration, Lady Hugs

SusanofO -> RE: 1950's Household (9/6/2006 12:36:01 PM)
Mavis: LOL re: Me saying "nobody talks that way any more these days, ever". I was meaning in the larger world. Society at large. LOL. That's partly why I'm on this CM board, too! I do see it here. [:D][:)] - Susan

Mavis -> RE: 1950's Household (9/6/2006 2:40:05 PM)
Susan, Oh! lol. i do hear of it offline in non-D/s settings too.. but i understand where you're coming from. i think it is particular to certain sub-sets of society.. typically homeschoolers (when i was homeschooling, nearly 100% of "us" were traditional families, same when Masters wife homeschooled T/their kids) or certain religions, or tight old world cultures within immagrant neighborhoods, some of my greek friends espouse traditional marriages, as well as middle eastern and russian communities. Hey! if you can go without the S&M play, check the local greek festival. Those guys are hot, mostly dark and handsom.. yum. <stops self before she gets stoopid>

popeye1250 -> RE: 1950's Household (9/6/2006 3:57:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mavis Susan, Oh! lol. i do hear of it offline in non-D/s settings too.. but i understand where you're coming from. i think it is particular to certain sub-sets of society.. typically homeschoolers (when i was homeschooling, nearly 100% of "us" were traditional families, same when Masters wife homeschooled T/their kids) or certain religions, or tight old world cultures within immagrant neighborhoods, some of my greek friends espouse traditional marriages, as well as middle eastern and russian communities. Hey! if you can go without the S&M play, check the local greek festival. Those guys are hot, mostly dark and handsom.. yum. <stops self before she gets stoopid> Mavis, correct, I grew up in Boston and on sundays you'd see a couple of Greek or Italian guys walking down the street and their wives would be walking behind them! And the wives never worked! Always at home. Susan, I'll be in Omaha on sat, check your messages.

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