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RE: Topping someone bigger than you. - 9/4/2006 3:18:50 PM

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bamboo cane... Good greif those things hurt! and you dont have to apply it to a particularly delicate bpart of the body either... a couple good swats to the upper back or thigh, possibly abs and I assure you he'll be much less inclined to upset you in the future.

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RE: Topping someone bigger than you. - 9/4/2006 3:22:53 PM

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I find I can rarely take exception to your posts, but I must now.

Do Not use bamboo for striking, the shit breaks wrong and could put some hell of a splinters in your ass. But perhaps you are a kinder, gentler person than I and do not push mechanical failure of your equipment and people.

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RE: Topping someone bigger than you. - 9/4/2006 3:30:04 PM

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judo is the art of using the other person's weight against themselves. when i was nine i use to spar with my brother who was 16. i could take him down if i worked really hard at it. especially if he's not expecting it you'd have the edge.

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RE: Topping someone bigger than you. - 9/4/2006 9:19:48 PM

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Wow, I'm so happy with all the good advice I recieved from this post. I will research the different topics discussed and I'll let everyone know if I ever accomplish this take over. Lol :)

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RE: Topping someone bigger than you. - 9/4/2006 9:26:02 PM

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RE: Topping someone bigger than you. - 9/4/2006 9:37:55 PM

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I'm also a large guy and one with a very high pain threshold. Very few people could top me by force. Nobody has ever yet had to try. I've been topped by a Domina who was considerably less than half my size. When being topped, I love SUBMITTING. To me, that's a very large part of what it's all about.

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RE: Topping someone bigger than you. - 9/4/2006 9:45:05 PM

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Soory for the confusion, I was thinking more of a tempered laquered bamboo cane meant for the purpose of caning. Although you're right, I tend to avoid breaking my instruments on subs.

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RE: Topping someone bigger than you. - 9/4/2006 9:50:29 PM

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The apologies belong with me, MistressTexas. I dissected words that were not offered as lemma, you have the advantage of honor and good intent and I have the advantage of posting after, no more.

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RE: Topping someone bigger than you. - 9/5/2006 3:19:15 AM

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Wow, I'm so happy with all the good advice I recieved from this post. I will research the different topics discussed and I'll let everyone know if I ever accomplish this take over. Lol :)

Ok, enough is enough!

When you actually take a closer look at this thread, you've had buggar-all "good advice" offered here! Mostly, you've had every possible flippant and light-hearted comment imaginable - mace, tasers, judo blah blah....

Now, assuming your OP really is meant as serious, the truth is you *CAN'T* top someone who doesn't mutually desire to be topped. I'm 240lbs and recently retired from a 20yr hobby of weight-lifting and I still have no inclination to top (or overpower) even a hundred pound woman if submission isn't a part of her! And then there's her consent anyway, even if it's only implied....

Your OP talks of you topping him, nothing else. Question is whether he's interested in bottoming to you - it's time you found out! If he is, then physical size and strength is no longer an issue because he'll know he's not "supposed" to win a wrestle so much as give you a good workout. His consent is 50% of the control you'll have over him and the rest comes from you "walking the walk"!

He likes a wrestle etc. But does he desire submitting?

Go ask...!

Focus.

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RE: Topping someone bigger than you. - 9/5/2006 4:35:16 AM

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If he fought back with me I would tell him "If you fight, it's over and we won't do this again until you come back to me and beg me to forgive you and accept you back into my service. I will forgive you...once. If you do it again, then I'll assume that you aren't interested in submitting."

In my opinion, a genuine sub submits because they want to not because they think you can kick their tails if they don't - whether or not you can should be irrelevant.

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RE: Topping someone bigger than you. - 9/5/2006 5:17:37 AM

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Focus, while I agree that one oughtn't to top someone who doesn't want to bottom, let's assume that the bottom consents. Clearly, you know that some people like to roleplay takedowns, but I would like to remind you that people like to do consensual takedowns as dominance fights of a sort. Perhaps they don't define their roles clearly at the outset, or perhaps it's gratifying to have a confirmation of the top's dominance--here, we're dipping a toe into d/s, even though the OP didn't specify dominance or submission as involved in her scenes or relationships. Regardless, sometimes, people like real, consensual takedowns, where both partners fight to their best ability, excluding lethal force, because it's a confirmation or a legitimation of their power roles when a bottom fights to win and then loses to the top.

By the way, while I don't know whether all the suggestions of tasers, judo, and mace were flip, I know that they needn't be. Mace is illegal in most of the U.S., but it's used as a synonym for pepper spray, which is legal and doesn't cause permanent damage--you'll hurt for three hours, max, if you don't flush your eyes artificially. "Taser" is often misused to mean any stun gun or baton--a disabling electroshock device--and there are electroshock devices that don't have the history of accidental deaths that Tasers have. There are, in other words, similar devices to Tasers that are "non lethal" rather than "less lethal." I can't imagine why it would be silly or light-hearted to suggest that techniques from judo or another fighting sport would be useful in a takedown.

Monica

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RE: Topping someone bigger than you. - 9/5/2006 5:48:05 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Focus50

quote:

ORIGINAL: windy135

Wow, I'm so happy with all the good advice I recieved from this post. I will research the different topics discussed and I'll let everyone know if I ever accomplish this take over. Lol :)

Ok, enough is enough!

When you actually take a closer look at this thread, you've had buggar-all "good advice" offered here! Mostly, you've had every possible flippant and light-hearted comment imaginable - mace, tasers, judo blah blah....

Now, assuming your OP really is meant as serious, the truth is you *CAN'T* top someone who doesn't mutually desire to be topped. I'm 240lbs and recently retired from a 20yr hobby of weight-lifting and I still have no inclination to top (or overpower) even a hundred pound woman if submission isn't a part of her! And then there's her consent anyway, even if it's only implied....

Your OP talks of you topping him, nothing else. Question is whether he's interested in bottoming to you - it's time you found out! If he is, then physical size and strength is no longer an issue because he'll know he's not "supposed" to win a wrestle so much as give you a good workout. His consent is 50% of the control you'll have over him and the rest comes from you "walking the walk"!

He likes a wrestle etc. But does he desire submitting?

Go ask...!

Focus.

Very good point :) Which is why I mentioned (albeit humorusely) the concept of the mind domination.

Actually.. the way you top someone bigger is to simply bring out a step-stool :)

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RE: Topping someone bigger than you. - 9/5/2006 6:05:31 AM

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If struggling is a part of the dynamic and this is fun for you then there will likely need to be a bit of cooperation in the beginning. Start off with some type of disadvantage.

-Have a lead attached to a stationary object so the male has only a certain area in which he can move but you have complete freedom. For example a length of rope attached to a collar, ankle or waist so he can only go so far before being yanked back. You can do this outdoors too using one of those screw in the ground posts you use for dogs.
-left ankle cuff hooked to write wrist cuff...hop hop hop
-ankles tied so he can only shuffle around
-one hand tied behind his back
-shock collar...every time he gets a bit too feisty...zzzaaapppp
(the shock collar I have was purchased at a pet store. I haven't priced them recently but they were pretty expensive when I bought mine but have gotten endless enjoyment out of it. The collar is cut down a bit and is fitted around the cock and balls with the contacts fitting behind the balls. Mine has 4 settings for varying intensity and two tones. Only problem I ever had with it was some chafing when worn for a longer period.)
-predicament bondage which may allow him a bit of freedom but if he chooses to use it, gives him another yank, stretch, pinch...
-anything mental which will give him an option: be still and you get x if not, y.
-I think martial arts experience is a good idea if you really enjoy this type of play. It will give you some moves to evade him if necessary and you can maneuver to get him into position without doing too much damage

Have fun :)

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RE: Topping someone bigger than you. - 9/5/2006 5:47:34 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Focus50

quote:

ORIGINAL: windy135

Wow, I'm so happy with all the good advice I recieved from this post. I will research the different topics discussed and I'll let everyone know if I ever accomplish this take over. Lol :)

Ok, enough is enough!

When you actually take a closer look at this thread, you've had buggar-all "good advice" offered here! Mostly, you've had every possible flippant and light-hearted comment imaginable - mace, tasers, judo blah blah....

Now, assuming your OP really is meant as serious, the truth is you *CAN'T* top someone who doesn't mutually desire to be topped. I'm 240lbs and recently retired from a 20yr hobby of weight-lifting and I still have no inclination to top (or overpower) even a hundred pound woman if submission isn't a part of her! And then there's her consent anyway, even if it's only implied....

Seconded here
I'm 260 lb's, ex rugby player and grew up around kung fu wannabes so I've got a rough idea on the moves that'll be used against me.
In a confined space like a room, I'm pretty sure I can go sumo and crush anybody lighter than me into a corner with their feet off the ground and twisted in to the wrong direction in under 3 seconds. In 5 seconds I can have both my hands and head free, while leaving their's pinned straitjacket style against their chest.
In a narrow hallways 7foot or under, I can get a foot against the opposite wall and push.
If I get my fingers or hands locked, then I kinda understand that I have to keep going through the pain.

In a wide open dojo, I'm postive that I'll get my legs kicked out from under me
In a play fight I'll probably lose when my fingers get bent or I get tickled or the absurdity gives me the giggles

But throwing a feint then throwing your body in without noticing any blows, will negate a *lot* of the skill of a lighter person

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RE: Topping someone bigger than you. - 9/5/2006 6:19:07 PM

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well...true...but are we really talking about a fight? A real fight? or a slightly playful struggle where there is a bit of cooperation from the bigger person as a means to an end just to make it not TOO easy?

If nothing else...bring some friends ;)

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RE: Topping someone bigger than you. - 9/5/2006 8:49:07 PM

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MsKat, you have it right. It's not a blood match or anything. I'm going to talk to him about wanting to be topped but we are very playful. We joke and make bets its all in good fun... I do want to top him once and it will be role playing for me. If it works and we both it could be something we explore together.

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RE: Topping someone bigger than you. - 9/5/2006 9:24:50 PM

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Well windy, first off use more of your mind for some mental domination. Use a good controlling voice "Boy, if you don't shut up and lay down I'm gonna knock you one so hard your name will be out of the phone book." Also, let him know what goodies he gets when he's a good little boy. A kiss here, a lick there, and something something else where. Play his emotions and you'll have him more than half way whiped.

It's good to act mad. If he becomes over zealous in his resistance, get up and start yelling "Why do you have to do this shit to me every God Damn time?" "I'm sick of this crap." As he pouts or thinks that play time is over, push him back on the bed as he tries to get up. Hold his arms down and slap on the cuffs. "See there bitch, if you just give in a little, you get more" Then have your way mentaly whiped and physicaly over powered.

On the physical side, keep you nails a little longer. If he wants to play hard, then play harder on his nutts.

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RE: Topping someone bigger than you. - 9/6/2006 3:27:20 AM

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Focus, while I agree that one oughtn't to top someone who doesn't want to bottom, let's assume that the bottom consents.

Yes, let's assume that, which would mean this entire thread becomes a non-event.

ORRRR! Go with what should always be Plan A, *COMMUNICATION* - the actual finding out if the bottom consents....

Focus.

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RE: Topping someone bigger than you. - 9/6/2006 4:52:44 AM

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Focus50:

Yes, let's assume that, [the bottom consents] which would mean this entire thread becomes a non-event.

ORRRR! Go with what should always be Plan A, *COMMUNICATION* - the actual finding out if the bottom consents....

I agree that it's necessary to determine consent as a first step. However, I disagree that once consent is determined, this thread becomes irrelevant. People can give consent to force fantasies. Indeed, it sounds like consent may have already been determined in the OP's relationship. Please note that the OP says that her friend "enjoys the fight, not including the idea of taking back the power. It's all in fun and play..." This does not sound like she wants to rape him; it sounds like he has fantasies of consensual nonconsensuality, ravishment, resistance, or thug play.

Monica

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RE: Topping someone bigger than you. - 9/6/2006 6:05:39 AM

Focus50

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Focus50:

Yes, let's assume that, [the bottom consents] which would mean this entire thread becomes a non-event.

ORRRR! Go with what should always be Plan A, *COMMUNICATION* - the actual finding out if the bottom consents....

I agree that it's necessary to determine consent as a first step. However, I disagree that once consent is determined, this thread becomes irrelevant. People can give consent to force fantasies. Indeed, it sounds like consent may have already been determined in the OP's relationship. Please note that the OP says that her friend "enjoys the fight, not including the idea of taking back the power. It's all in fun and play..." This does not sound like she wants to rape him; it sounds like he has fantasies of consensual nonconsensuality, ravishment, resistance, or thug play.

Monica

You've got that back to front from what I meant.... If she'd determined consent to begin with (communication), she wouldn't have had to start this thread, hence it'd be a non-event.

Aside from it posted on a BDSM site, I didn't necessarily see any D/s overtones in the OP. It coulda been two vanillas having a playful wrestle....

And as much as the OP was frustrated that she wanted to overpower someone who is bigger and stronger, the bottom line is she couldn't - or that he didn't let her! And still it's not just about *her* needs - an intimate wrestle does not equate to him agreeing to submit, most especially when he didn't let her overpower him!

As far as consent goes, I don't expressly seek consent from my sub anytime I want action. The fact that she is my sub means that consent is always implied right up until she decides to leave me forever.

Focus.

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