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Daddysredhead -> RE: BLACK SUBMISSIVE FOR WHITE MASTER (9/8/2006 12:44:07 PM)

Empirical research?  Statistics?  I kind of doubt that. 
However, you're entitled to your opinion as you see things.

*...heavy sigh...*



bbwblksublilgrl -> RE: BLACK SUBMISSIVE FOR WHITE MASTER (9/8/2006 1:33:11 PM)

The only possible areas that could be true in are areas that are socio-economically challenged. Take this into consideration...white men out number black men, and when you also add other factors such as the number of gay black men, married black men and men that are incarcerated, it's almost impossible to imply that there are more dead beat black fathers of so-called mulatto children than there are of single color children. Being a dead beat father has nothing to do with race, creed or color. It's a conscious choice of an idiot to be such. That's an entirely different subject anyway. What does fathering have to do with a preference of color in a mate?



BlkTallFullfig -> RE: BLACK SUBMISSIVE FOR WHITE MASTER (9/8/2006 1:43:40 PM)

I'm trying to figure out your point Treswank
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ORIGINAL: TreSwank
There are always exceptions to the rule, but for every woman that dates an employed, articulate, sympathetic black male, there are a hundred socio-economically depressed Caucasian gals with three or four rowdy, uncared-for mulatto children, and a man who keeps on promising to "get his GED"
Even though evidence would suggest the caucasian gal (I hate that word gal) is poor, uneducated, and careless (doing the same as her man/drugs), you only present her as "socioeconomically depressed" as opposed to him whom you suggest doesn't have his GED, and is not caring for his offspring.   Neither is doing the right thing, but you sound almost as if you'd feel more comfortable if she were reproducing children under poor conditions and out of wedlock to bubba instead?

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Of course this phenomenon occurs among whites as well, but in much less shocking numbers.  America has a strange way of sweeping the "obvious and commonsense" underneath the carpet, and rationalizing things to fit a preconceived mold - while people keep on making the same mistakes, time after time.
Are we talking actual statistics or from the fact that perhaps you grew up in a poor neigborhood?   I would suggest that the way you present yourself sometimes (albeit with a more extensive grammar), looks a lil ghetto (poor breeding/lacking manners/respect) from where I read, so remember that judge not lest ye be judged.

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These women are easily recognized, with their gawdy makeup, drawn-in eyebrows, RocaWear t-shirts, and deplorable grammar. (Who yo baby daddy is?  No, fo real, me and Jamal be smokin' mad herb up in the apartment! Word?)
Are you jealous of their style?   Have you looked at your picture mr GQ-Not?

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My opinion, which is based almost entirely upon empirical research, may be skewed, but at least, I, unlike the majority of people, have the balls to really voice my opinion in the face of sure and harsh criticism.  My intention is not to cause anger, but to open eyes, or to have my own eyes opened.
How about the balls to do research and present it that way?
http://www.questia.com/PM.qst?a=o&d=5001854485&er=deny 
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Meanwhile, who marries whom across racial groups is likely to be affected by their socioeconomic structures, e.g., compositions in educational attainment
A comparison of mate selection patterns between inmarriage and interracial marriage and differences in these patterns across racial groups can show whether interracially married whites use their racial status as an exchange for racial minorities' higher socioeconomic status

http://www.gnxp.com/MT2/archives/000806.html
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the data appear to indicate that the more educated you are (or the more economically successful you are), the more likely you are to be in an interracial marriage.


Noirsub welcome to the forums, and I doubt you'll get too much flack here for your preference.   I myself had to grapple with the issue of taking a black man as a slave (the truth being that I only began reading about BDSM, mostly dominance/submission when several white men suggested they wanted to be my slave); when I began reading about wiitwd, and had to seriously soul search to find why I wanted to do this, and had to accept that this is not about non consensual slavery, but more about finding the complement to my energy/desires.  So for me the color of his skin/even his history shouldn't and doesn't matter to me.   I have dated and married black, and have dated but not gotten to marriage/collar white men.   Some have been wonderful, and some have had issues, so I seek someone more for how he thinks, whether he is a kind human being, and how he treats me, rather than how much melanin he carries/or his place of birth.  

Good luck in your search,  M



porcelaine -> RE: BLACK SUBMISSIVE FOR WHITE MASTER (9/8/2006 2:52:14 PM)

I believe we all have preferences and something that draws us to a particular person. Whether it is race, physical attributes, money, class, etc. Natural bias does exist and some are merely more acceptable than others. Popular opinion will always be varied. The important factor is that we each are comfortable about our decisions and walk to the beat of our own drummer.

porcelaine






Wildfleurs -> RE: BLACK SUBMISSIVE FOR WHITE MASTER (9/8/2006 3:04:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha

I'm white and female and have recently decided I want a male Russian slave.  I am seeking someone specifically because of their race.  Is that weird?
Akasha



Is Russian a race?

C~



Wildfleurs -> RE: BLACK SUBMISSIVE FOR WHITE MASTER (9/8/2006 3:06:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Phoenixandnika

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ORIGINAL: TreSwank

Having a preference isn't where the problem lies, but excluding all other races because of a solidified notion is kind of weird.


 
So let me let me get this straignt because someone chooses and desires a specific race for a partner (what ever their specific roles are) is weird?
 
Is a white man wanting a white submissive/wife weird?
 
Is a black man wanting a black woman as a submissive/wife weird?
 
Is a native american man wanting to a native american submissive/wife weird?
 
Do you think that someone is weird if they choose not have bi-racial children?
 
For the record I think we each exclude people for alot of reasons, for some race is one of them.
 
I look at the world we live in and I see enough intolerance for our lifestyle choices, and that is what this is a personal choice that to have other lifestylers judge us for those choices is truly sad. If we can not be tolerant of the lifestyle choices others within our own group make how can we honestly expect those outside of our circle to show tolerance?




I suspect I wasn't clear.  What I meant is strange are women (or men.. or transexuals.. or intersexed people) of X race deciding they will only date men (or women.. or transexuals.. or intersexed people) of Y race.  The X and Y race being different whether its a Native American deciding they will only date Blacks or whatever.

C~

Edited to add to make sure I'm clear, I'm not talking about an interracial relationship that just happens.  I'm talking about (using an example) white men who will only date black men.



CreoleCook -> RE: BLACK SUBMISSIVE FOR WHITE MASTER (9/8/2006 3:08:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: porcelaine

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ORIGINAL: CreoleCook

Born in New Orleans, and raised in southern Mississippi, I have to state the whole dynamic growing up was, shall I say, strained.  Yet at the same time, I was always aroused at the idea of adding some brown sugar to my diet, so to speak. 

I have never had a creole/african-american/black/colored (whatever the pc term is nowadays) submissive, but to be honest, I don't see skin tones anymore. 


Creole is not the same as African-American. While they do have African-American ancestry, they are a group of people with their own culture and customs. Most persons hailing from New Orleans are aware of this.

porcelaine



now, porcelaine, darlin... Let me first state, for the record, I was referring to all different types of non-caucasian women in a generalized form.  Yes, this would include latina, hispanic, hindu, chinese, and the list goes on...

Now, since you decided to pick out the variations between Creole, and African American, let me help you set the record straight, as it were.  When the French settlers were uprooted from Acadia, Nova Scotia, they made their way down the east coast, around the bend of what is now Florida, and settled along the bayous and delta of the Mississippi River.  These "cajuns" were some of the first settlers in the Louisiana Purchase. As more people came to the area, they settled north of these trappers, and fisherfolk, mostly of french descent, and founded New Orleans, named in honor of Orleans, France. 
Slavery was very active in the Deep South, and indeed, New Orleans was mostly "built" upon the backs of those very same african slaves, working in the kitchens, parlors, and fields in and around the city of New Orleans. 

The housework, scullery maids, butlers, and yes, cooks were African slaves, bought and paid for.  When a family moved into/built a plantation, There was usually an older african woman who did all the cooking for the other slaves, as well as several of their Masters/Mistresses.  She was usually recognized as the "Mammy."  As a family moved into the household, the Lady of the house would go the Mammy, and teach her how to cook in the style they are used to eating. 

As with anything in life, whether through lost wagers, or war, families may move out of a particular plantation, and other families move into it.  The slaves were property, and thus, came with the house. If a French family built the plantation, you have a French woman teaching an African woman to cook french food.  After the day was through in the Main house, the woman would then blend the french style of cooking, with her native African style of cooking, to feed the other hands taking care of the plantation.  If a German family moves into the same plantation, a year or two down the road, the Lady of the house would do the same thing, and now the field hands are eating a blend of french, african, german food... and this progresses until present day, when there are no more slaves, in that sense of the world.  

The term "creole" means blended. plain and simple.  As shown above, Creole cooking started out with African and French.  Since those early beginnings, you can add in Spanish, Italian, German, Mexican, English, and Native American to the list. 

So, in truth, porcelaine, no... there is no difference between a creole, and an african american, since they both started in the same place. 

CreoleCook

PS...as a suggestion, next time check your facts first.




Phoenixandnika -> RE: BLACK SUBMISSIVE FOR WHITE MASTER (9/8/2006 4:12:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Wildfleurs

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phoenixandnika

quote:

ORIGINAL: TreSwank

Having a preference isn't where the problem lies, but excluding all other races because of a solidified notion is kind of weird.


 
So let me let me get this straignt because someone chooses and desires a specific race for a partner (what ever their specific roles are) is weird?
 
Is a white man wanting a white submissive/wife weird?
 
Is a black man wanting a black woman as a submissive/wife weird?
 
Is a native american man wanting to a native american submissive/wife weird?
 
Do you think that someone is weird if they choose not have bi-racial children?
 
For the record I think we each exclude people for alot of reasons, for some race is one of them.
 
I look at the world we live in and I see enough intolerance for our lifestyle choices, and that is what this is a personal choice that to have other lifestylers judge us for those choices is truly sad. If we can not be tolerant of the lifestyle choices others within our own group make how can we honestly expect those outside of our circle to show tolerance?




I suspect I wasn't clear.  What I meant is strange are women (or men.. or transexuals.. or intersexed people) of X race deciding they will only date men (or women.. or transexuals.. or intersexed people) of Y race.  The X and Y race being different whether its a Native American deciding they will only date Blacks or whatever.

C~

Edited to add to make sure I'm clear, I'm not talking about an interracial relationship that just happens.  I'm talking about (using an example) white men who will only date black men.



Perhaps I am missing something, but how are the two different? It is simply because one is not prefering their "race" or is it because it makes you unconfortable or you simply don't understand the logic?
 
By the way what is the difference between saying I only want a black dom or asian sub and saying I only want a sub who is into foot worship or money slavery?



porcelaine -> RE: BLACK SUBMISSIVE FOR WHITE MASTER (9/8/2006 4:36:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CreoleCook

The term "creole" means blended. plain and simple.  As shown above, Creole cooking started out with African and French.  Since those early beginnings, you can add in Spanish, Italian, German, Mexican, English, and Native American to the list. 

So, in truth, porcelaine, no... there is no difference between a creole, and an african american, since they both started in the same place. 

CreoleCook

PS...as a suggestion, next time check your facts first.



I don't need to check my facts Sir. I am Creole. Enough said.

porcelaine



porcelaine -> RE: BLACK SUBMISSIVE FOR WHITE MASTER (9/8/2006 4:41:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Phoenixandnika

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ORIGINAL: Wildfleurs

I suspect I wasn't clear.  What I meant is strange are women (or men.. or transexuals.. or intersexed people) of X race deciding they will only date men (or women.. or transexuals.. or intersexed people) of Y race.  The X and Y race being different whether its a Native American deciding they will only date Blacks or whatever.

C~

Edited to add to make sure I'm clear, I'm not talking about an interracial relationship that just happens.  I'm talking about (using an example) white men who will only date black men.



Perhaps I am missing something, but how are the two different? It is simply because one is not prefering their "race" or is it because it makes you unconfortable or you simply don't understand the logic?
 
By the way what is the difference between saying I only want a black dom or asian sub and saying I only want a sub who is into foot worship or money slavery?



I don't see a difference at all. The individual is merely displaying a preference for a particular race. People do this all the time. They simply don't admit it openly.

porcelaine



Wildfleurs -> RE: BLACK SUBMISSIVE FOR WHITE MASTER (9/8/2006 5:04:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Phoenixandnika

Perhaps I am missing something, but how are the two different? It is simply because one is not prefering their "race" or is it because it makes you unconfortable or you simply don't understand the logic?
 
By the way what is the difference between saying I only want a black dom or asian sub and saying I only want a sub who is into foot worship or money slavery?



To me in the situation that I outlined, it is usually based on a whole lot of misunderstandings and generalizations about the racial group.  And it feels to me (when its directed at me) like a complete fetishization of one's race as opposed to an understanding and desire to be with the person as a whole.. its a desire to be with a race and whatever (mischaracterizations) it representes in the persons mind.

C~



porcelaine -> RE: BLACK SUBMISSIVE FOR WHITE MASTER (9/8/2006 5:37:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Wildfleurs

To me in the situation that I outlined, it is usually based on a whole lot of misunderstandings and generalizations about the racial group.  And it feels to me (when its directed at me) like a complete fetishization of one's race as opposed to an understanding and desire to be with the person as a whole.. its a desire to be with a race and whatever (mischaracterizations) it representes in the persons mind.

C~



Do you feel the above is applicable only to race or to other preferences in regard to appearance and such? Also, would your stance alter in the slightest bit if the same criteria applied but only occurred between members of a similar ethnic background? I'd love to hear your thoughts. Thanks!

porcelaine



servantforuse -> RE: BLACK SUBMISSIVE FOR WHITE MASTER (9/8/2006 8:28:52 PM)

i am a submissive male and have served both white women and Black Women. i do enjoy serving Black Women more. For reasons that i cannot understand, it is much more humiliating for me. i am currently used only as a puppy, and am being trained as one by a woman of color. i feel very fortunate that she has kept me as her pet.



Daddysredhead -> RE: BLACK SUBMISSIVE FOR WHITE MASTER (9/8/2006 8:58:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Phoenixandnika

By the way what is the difference between saying I only want a black dom or asian sub and saying I only want a sub who is into foot worship or money slavery?



I don't think that there is a difference really...  good point, P and n.



MrMister -> RE: BLACK SUBMISSIVE FOR WHITE MASTER (9/11/2006 11:10:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Wildfleurs

Edited to add to make sure I'm clear, I'm not talking about an interracial relationship that just happens.  I'm talking about (using an example) white men who will only date black men.



I assume you meant to say white men who will only date black 'women'?


I would like for you to consider this - if anyone has genuinely good intentions and is sincerely searching for that special someone, why does it become "creepy" to anyone else simply because they are targeting a specific audience? I do indeed understand this can and will offend a many a soul if the one seeking is doing so merely for some fantasy fulfillment, or perhaps only seeks to engage in "race-play" in this specific case. But if anyone steeped in good character, values, etc, have come to a definite conclusion about what they truly want, need, and desire in their life, what ever on earth is wrong with that? And why in the world would anyone find that creepy? I am very curious to know, as I'm very fascinated by your statement and position. 

And in an honest effort to give you a bit of insight regarding folks such as myself, I will add this: the very reasons I am exclusively desirous of black women (which by the way remains unchanged after spending approximately 47 years of existence) is not only that I find them to be the most beautiful and breathtakingly gorgeous creatures to EVER be placed upon this planet, and I love everything about them. But I also find them to generally have such a sweet spirit about them, and they're very sensuous, genuine and caring, with warm, friendly personalities.

I'm NOT trying to infer that no one else possesses these admirable characteristics - I am only stating this simply because it is the basis for my choice and preference.

Furthermore, I feel it necessary to add the following: Most assuredly there are men within the confines of this community who feel just as strongly as I do regarding their own personal preferences. And they also choose not to engage in promiscuous activity in order to accomplish mere sexual fulfillment. We search for that specific individual precisely because they are what we desire with every fiber of our being, and are willing to wait a lifetime to find exactly what we are looking for and are not willing to even remotely contemplate settling for anything less. Is there anything at all wrong with that?



LaTigresse -> RE: BLACK SUBMISSIVE FOR WHITE MASTER (9/11/2006 12:04:12 PM)

Using fast reply.....

I personally don't care about skin colour....well I kinda want to rule out blue, green and purple.....orange I am not too fond of either.

I care about the human being inside the skin, their humanity, their spirit and soul. Call me wacky, but thats what matters to me.



Sinergy -> RE: BLACK SUBMISSIVE FOR WHITE MASTER (9/11/2006 5:01:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bbwblksublilgrl

You would think that people who live this lifestyle would be more open-minded than we are. 



Hello A/all,

This is true.  The rest of your post seemed to deal with the opportunity (meeting people you work with, etc) aspect of
being involved.

The more important point I wanted to make is that the D/s lifestyle,
to me, is about making choices.  I enjoy buying clothes for, ordering dinner for, and spanking women.  I look for women who enjoy having that sort of thing done with/to them.  A white female friend of mine has an affection for talk black men, preferably dreadlocked
with a Jamaican accent.  One thing which I tend to believe is
frequently overlooked is that those of us involved in WIITWD
have decided to explore our likes and dislikes and desires and
the like.

I have posted before that I am more interested in the present I am getting than in how it is wrapped (by, in this case, skin tone). 

As usual, this is just me and I could be wrong.

Sinergy



CreoleCook -> RE: BLACK SUBMISSIVE FOR WHITE MASTER (9/11/2006 5:06:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I personally don't care about skin colour....well I kinda want to rule out blue, green and purple.....orange I am not too fond of either.



Now wait just a second here, Tigresse...

A tigress who doesn't like orange?  are you a white tigress, then?  offended by the bengal tiger?  sheesh...

And dammit, you just don't like teletubbies, hunh?  (color spectrum you picked out)

CC



Lorelei115 -> RE: BLACK SUBMISSIVE FOR WHITE MASTER (9/11/2006 5:13:58 PM)

I dont care what color they are, as long as they dont clash with the drapes!



Wildfleurs -> RE: BLACK SUBMISSIVE FOR WHITE MASTER (9/11/2006 5:26:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MrMister

I assume you meant to say white men who will only date black 'women'?


No, I meant what I typed.  It was just an example of the myriad of configurations.

C~



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