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RE: Taking Care of an Elderly Parent - 9/5/2006 8:29:24 PM   
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ownedgirlie:

I know exactly what you mean. I went thru a similar thing with my Dad a few years back. He was critically ill and I had to splain and re explain what the MDs had told him. I did exactly as you did. I went to the appointments and asked the questions in front of him, then asked my father if he understood what the MD was saying. I also added little snipets that my Dad
* forgot* to tell the MD that was important info.
Being a nurse, I have been asked by family members to be the " hard ass" and start the conversation, it has almost always gone much better than when the family member started it.

Alot of people have mentioned Assited Living. Just make sure you understand what Assisted living is, before you sign up. It is not a place for patients with medical needs. The laws vary state to state, but as a general rule the nurses are not allowed to give medication to a patient, they must be able to administer it themsleves. Nor can they change dressings or do something as simple as give a nitro tab to some one having chest pain. they 911 those patients. They charge a separate fee for CNA services, diapers, some even charge a fee each time a patient uses the call bell for help. I'm not knocking Assited Living, it's just that the Assitance is not with anything medical, just with every day living.

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RE: Taking Care of an Elderly Parent - 9/5/2006 8:41:39 PM   
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Look in the phone book for "agency on aging" look for county health departments.  A lot of them provide baths, housekeeping, meals on wheels and other services to help people stay in their home.  My mother and step father used those services for quite some time before his death.  In larger communities there are often services that come 24 hours a day if needed.  There are such things as senior companions who get paid to run errands and take them to the doctor.



I just wanted to emphasize this point...  I'm in a similar situation Gauge -- circumstances are a little different, but the basic shape of the problem is the same.  Take advantage of the resources offered by the city & county where you live.  My sister and I are dealing with this problem for *both* parents -- we met with a social worker who was very helpful in pointing out resources to us -- we ended up finding this place:

http://www.leezasplace.org/index2.html

....which was a godsend.  It's focused on Alzheimer's but we found that they had plenty of advice and information on taking care of the elderly in general.

Very courageous post about a difficult subject, Gauge -- thanks for the thread.

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RE: Taking Care of an Elderly Parent - 9/5/2006 8:56:41 PM   
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Look in the phone book for "agency on aging" look for county health departments.  A lot of them provide baths, housekeeping, meals on wheels and other services to help people stay in their home.



That is exactly what I was going to recommend.  If you can't find a listing, call the Health Department or your local United Way and they should be able to give you a number.  Also, your senior center may provide transportation to doctor appointments and such.  Some around here do.  I know you said that your mother is resistant to this, but if she has an appointment and you are not "available" it may be an alternative and a good way to get her acquainted with the facility.

Like others have stated, you are going to have to talk to her about what you can do and what things you are going to be required to get assistance for.  You won't be doing either one of you any good if you get to the point where you just can't anymore. 

My heart goes out to you.  I know it's not easy and I commend you for doing everything you have.

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RE: Taking Care of an Elderly Parent - 9/5/2006 10:01:48 PM   
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This is a fast reply:


I want to thank everyone for their advice, encouragement and kind words, it comes at a time when I need them.

I have recently been able to corner her doctor and talk to him about her living situation. He has begun talking to her about being prepared to take the next step and get into assisted living. She really is not in need of nursing care, she just needs to have some basic help for some things. She is basically wheelchair bound and she gets around in that just fine. So, her needs are basic ones which she actually could take care of if everything was on one level of her home, but that is not the case. Her house has stairs in the front and back, her laundry is in the basement, her bathroom is on the second floor, and so on. I would even be willing to get her into an elderly high-rise apartment so she could remain totally on her own but it would be safer, she would have people around her if she wanted to participate in activities and generally, I could relax a little knowing all of this.

As far as becoming her guardian is concerned, in PA the laws are clear that there has to be an incapacity in order to be a court appointed guardian. My Dad (I won't mention his profession but let's just say that he has a firm grasp of the laws) has informed me that until the time that she is no longer capable of making decisions for herself that there is little that I can do other than keep trying to get her to accept help.

I feel like I am drowning and in a horrible dream. I have talked to my doctor about my anxiety, depression and nerves and she has given me advice and some medication to take which is helping a little but it is by no means a solution and therefore it doesn't do much.

Oh, another thing, I have wanted to call county agency on aging but my mother has effectively chopped that off at the knees as well. She won't let them in until her house is clean. I told her that she shouldn't clean the house (meaning I shouldn't clean the house) because that is the way she lives and showing them otherwise would only give a false impression.

I am sorry if I sound a little disjointed this evening, I am not concentrating well right now. One thing I am sure of is that I must take care of my mental and physical health before anything. If that means that I have to tell her that I cannot do this much for her anymore then I guess that will be the way it goes.

Again folks, I really do thank you for all of your advice and encouragement. It is good to know that people out there do care and understand the dynamics of all of this.

You have my gratitude.


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RE: Taking Care of an Elderly Parent - 9/5/2006 10:17:59 PM   
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Hang in there dear and get a good night's sleep.  You cannot take care of mum
or dad or your boys if you do not take care of yourself first.
Start taking long walks to clear your mind and refresh your
spirit.  You are not alone in your dilemmas, many of us face
the same type of situation.
 
Bright blessings and a peaceful rest to you,
 
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RE: Taking Care of an Elderly Parent - 9/5/2006 11:02:41 PM   
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Gauge,

I have gone through it too.  Once with my mother, once when I lost my
lady to cancer.  My mother was by far harder to deal with because the
power dynamic had to be reversed from when I was the child and she
was the authority figure. 

I must say your mom obviously did some things right because she raised
you to be the man you are and you are to be admired for your behaviour.

I am glad to see you write that you realize you must take care of yourself
for you and for her.  That is so easy to lose track of with everything that
goes on.

Perhaps if you could impress that on her or if you "got sick" with
the 48 hour flu, she would learn to turn to others when necessary.  And
that could open the door.  The doctor might even be willing to help with
the story and "forbid" you to be near her for the 48 hours so you could
not give her your flu???  So someone else would have to cut the lawn
or cook for "a couple of days".

I never had to do any of that but I could see where it might be necessary.

All the best, continue to care for yourself!

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RE: Taking Care of an Elderly Parent - 9/5/2006 11:12:34 PM   
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Gauge:   First, a bit of My background:  I am living this same story with my mother, almost exactly to the point where I stopped several times as I read your posts and said "is this guy my reincarnated brother!?"   My mother too is in a wheelchair, lives alone (my father passed away six years ago), has limited financial resources, and is stubborn as heck (I come by it honestly!). 

And you said this:  
quote:

My mother and I have not had a very close relationship throughout my life and that fact makes this all the more difficult to deal with because I do care what happens to her but a part of me really resents the fact that when I needed her she was never there.
MAN, did that hit home.  Although I don't feel my mother was "never there", we did not have an especially close relationship.  My younger brother was much more the "favorite", and the one who was supposed to stay close to home.  I do resent that she never took any steps earlier in her life to plan on being a bit self-reliant.  Case in point:  although she was a successful business owner, she never really understood finance, and still needs to be walked through the most basic financial transaction.  And I am the only one involved in this stuff (besides My wife, who is wonderful with My mother.)  I am the sole remaining close family member, my only brother having died suddenly two years ago.

So, a few things, some philosophical, some practical.

1. 
quote:

I feel that if I cannot get her out of the house on my own then she shouldn't be living in her house that is not retrofitted for a handicapped person.
  Sell the house.  Yes she'll tell you that it will kill her.  Yes she'll make every excuse under the sun (and Gauge, my mother, in the face of almost dying because of an uncontrolled bladder infection, told Me that she wouldn't let the paramedics in because the house was "dirty".  And god love her, she NEVER was much of a housekeeper!)  But my mother's house was not wheelchair friendly, and it was a burden, and making her move to a wheelchair accessible apartment four years ago was the best thing we could have done.  Sell. The. House.

2. 
quote:

I have talked to her about getting assistance to come into her home and do basic chores for her. She won't hear of it. She doesn't want anyone in her house because she can't trust them. It isn't like she has bars of gold laying around.
  Do it.  Explain to her that you need help taking care of things, and this is something that has to happen. 

There are several levels of in-home care.  You said that she doesn't need the care provided by a nurse's aide in the home (basic medical assistance, for instance, drawing daily insulin, or help with cleaning a wound site or an ostomy) but the fact that she is wheelchair bound indicates that this level of care might not be inappropriate, and may be needed soon.  Moreover, home care nurses aides will usually provide assistance with meals and light housekeeping.  Your mom may down the road also need actual nursing care once or twice a week (higher level assistance such as checking a catheter or dealing with pressure sores).  Right now it sounds like she needs assistance with daily living (preparing meals, bathing, moving from bed to chair, etc.)   Each of these is a different catagory of care and each has a deep infrastructure to provide it.  (The usual issue is cost.  I am pretty expert at how this stuff is paid for (or how to get Medicare and Medicaid to pay for it) but you haven't expressed that question.  Ask me privately if it is an issue.)  In any event, GET THE HELP.

3.  I am surprised that no one posted this:  One of the great resources in your community is undoubtedly your church, synagogue or other religious community.  First, in having these difficult discussions with your Mom, is there a spiritual person she might listen to?  In my instance, my mother's Rabbi was of tremendous help (and my mother is not at all a religious or observant person).  Consider that a spiritual counselor might well be able to talk to her about the practical issues.  Second, the church/synagogue (I'd throw in mosque, but that would seem gratuitous -- if I'm wrong, call the Imam, please!) will have senior resources.  "Meals on wheels", "shut in service", just visiting the sick -- all are organized programs that are likely administered in a caring, not preachy (most of these groups have their heads on right...if not, go to the next available source!) and competent manner.

4. 
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I am fried. I am teetering at a breaking point which I fear will end up in disaster for me. I mean having a breakdown. My nerves are shot to the point that whenever the phone rings I cringe because I am afraid that it is her with yet another thing for me to do.

Look, I might sound like a calloused ungrateful fuck, but I have to take care of myself too. I have a hard enough time with daily life without having to worry if her wild birds are fed or some other thing. I am tired.
  No, you sound like most of us when we are in this situation.  First, remember, if you flip out/stroke out/freak out/ flatline, who's gonna take care of her?  You need your senses and your strength, and if need be, you TELL her that (tho I assure you, the caregivers listed above will be on the front lines for that -- "caregiver burnout" is the major problem in these cases).  And you know what...the wild birds will survive without a daily handout....consider that if it is a real issue, you can get a feeder that you can fill once a week.  But more important, pare down what HAS to be done, what SHOULD be done, and what is NICE to be done...and then get the first stuff under control.

5.  This is how we know we are grown ups. 

6.  Best of luck.  If you need resources re: anything I said, drop me a line.

E.

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RE: Taking Care of an Elderly Parent - 9/5/2006 11:26:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

This is definitely a reason people should look into getting Long Term Care insurance.  While primarily designed for this very situation, it can also be of assistance if a child or younger adult has to deal with a long term ailment that requires constant and close attention.

Depending on the coverage you get, rates can be locked in early and not change as you get older, can be used towards your parents or other people (so it's not an issue of legal marriage and such as so many other forms of disability insurance are), and can even be a direct regular payout to the policyholder and used for ANY services they deem appropriate.


Good point.  But part of the problem is that it sounds like the lady doesnt want anyone else to do anything for her, except her son.  Even if she had the $$, she sounds like she wouldnt let anyone else in the house to clean up, or have a visiting nurse to check in on her on even move to a senior housing facility if money allowed. (or so it seemed to me from what I read) .


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RE: Taking Care of an Elderly Parent - 9/6/2006 12:19:48 AM   
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Gauge:

I definately advocate being of whatever assistance your mother needs at this time in her life, but maybe its time to put your foot down with her alittle bit.  I dont mean blow her off when she asks you to buy groceries and whatnot.  I mean...no matter how tired, you have to do it.  But where others could step in and do some of the menial tasks so that you may go on with your own business, it would lighten your load alot.   You mom needs you, but she doesnt need you to mow the lawn, or clean the house, or feed the wild birds. lol.   She needs to accept the fact that you need some help in this and its time for her to stop being so stubborn.  Theres nothing worse than an elderly person who simply will not accept that certain limitations that they didnt have as youngsters means that they have to consider other options.  But why would she do that?  She will just call you.  I am not suggesting by any means that you neglect her in any way, Im simply saying that it is time for you to lay down the law.  I would start gradually, with hiring some extra help.  You can find home care workers who will come in for a few hours a day and make her lunch, help her bath, clean the dishes etc.   Its not that expensive if you only get someone a few hours a day.  After you've accomplished that...I would begin to introduce her to the idea of selling the house, then start moving her into that direction.  Put your foot down on the chores stuff.  Get some help in.  In reading your post, I didnt see or remember any mention of what her financial situation is, but to get one of those basic care givers in a couple hours a day probably wont cost much and may be covered or partially covered by medicare.  This should lighten your load greatly.   I did not get the impression that your mom is terminally ill, meaning you have to solve this to be something you can live with possibly for years to come. 
I have never been in your shoes, so I dont know exactly what I would do, I would probably try to take her into my own home if it was my mother.   This way it would be easy to care for her under the same roof.   I realize that may not be an option for everyone.  "Old folks homes"  are not like they used to be.  There are other people to socialize with, the game room, beautiful grounds, dining hall (the dungeon) lol. etc.  I think about my old age and I think Id actually prefer that to living alone and in need all the time.  But really, you need to take your Dads place in the sense that its your place now to take the bull by the horns and tell her how its going to be.  Help is getting hired and you will still be there for the important things. Just lay it out like that. 
As far as the resentment for her neglect at times of your life, let it go.  You're  here simply because she lived.  At the very least she gave you life.  And Id be willing to bet that you're a better parent to your son, because of your mom's mistakes.  So your son is the beneficiary of your mothers neglect of you. Yes?  No??   If you find a positive way to view it, and let go of the anger your load will become much lighter.  :)

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RE: Taking Care of an Elderly Parent - 9/6/2006 12:49:23 AM   
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Gauge:

PA is a "commonwealth" state - like VA.  Check into getting a "Durable Power of Attorney".  If written correctly, it can give you access to bank accounts, safety deposit boxes, medical records - just about everything.

No courts are required - no "incapacity" - just your Mother's signature (and, I think, a notary).  She retains all her rights, but shares them with you as well.  A huge help if, God forbid, she's hospitalized and you need to speak on her behalf, etc.

I hope this helps as well,

Gea

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RE: Taking Care of an Elderly Parent - 9/6/2006 1:09:57 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

This is definitely a reason people should look into getting Long Term Care insurance.  While primarily designed for this very situation, it can also be of assistance if a child or younger adult has to deal with a long term ailment that requires constant and close attention.

Depending on the coverage you get, rates can be locked in early and not change as you get older, can be used towards your parents or other people (so it's not an issue of legal marriage and such as so many other forms of disability insurance are), and can even be a direct regular payout to the policyholder and used for ANY services they deem appropriate.


This kind of thing is worth considering, but I'll tell you that when I looked into it (for myself) the potential payout vs. what you paid in premiums was not very impressive.  In my case (buying the insurance at 40), it turned out to be much more sensible to take the money that would've gone towards premiums and just invest it.

These LTC plans may be good for people who are very young, who might be able to lock in a very modest rate (and I really mean "might" -- typically you pay an increased premium to buy a locked-in rate for the duration of the policy, IIRC), but for the rest of us, I honestly think they are terrible deals.  At least the 3 or 4 plans I looked at from State Farm were, IMO.  For me, anyway.

Run the numbers carefully -- you might be better off just increasing your savings a little bit.  And there's always the potential you *won't* need it, too.... so that's something to consider.  At the end of the day, do you really want to have big $$$$ locked up in LTC insurance, or would you rather have it in something a little more liquid?

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RE: Taking Care of an Elderly Parent - 9/6/2006 2:52:36 PM   
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Seconding the idea of a power of attorney.  I did that with my mom.  There are two types, over medical and over business.  Do both. 

In the end it still remains that you have to put your foot down on her refusing to allow others in to help.  You already know you can't do it all.  It may have to be something like going over there and telling her, not asking her, that so and so will be over at 10:00 to look at what needs to be done to help you.  Then let them in when they get there. 


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RE: Taking Care of an Elderly Parent - 9/7/2006 11:20:42 AM   
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quote:

PA is a "commonwealth" state - like VA.  Check into getting a "Durable Power of Attorney".  If written correctly, it can give you access to bank accounts, safety deposit boxes, medical records - just about everything.

No courts are required - no "incapacity" - just your Mother's signature (and, I think, a notary).  She retains all her rights, but shares them with you as well.  A huge help if, God forbid, she's hospitalized and you need to speak on her behalf, etc.


Thank you for this advice, but I had thought I mentioned that I had Power of Attorney medical and otherwise. I can and have handled some financial things for her. She recently was in the hospital and I had to pay bills and arrange payments for other things also. I also monitored her medical care very closely.

Believe me, I am taking all of this advice and mulling it over carefully. I do not want to become harsh or act quickly without a decisive plan of action. To that end, my therapist is helping me sort through some things. He suggested that I take one day a week where I will be unreachable by anyone (he referred to it as going into a black hole). This would be my day of rest and then, instead of living in fear of the phone ringing that I would be the one to choose when to contact my mother and see if everything was OK, thus placing me in control of my own stress... if that makes any sense (at least it did when he explained it to me).

I had not considered the spiritual leader idea and that may be one worth pursuing. She is quite active in the Salvation Army and I might be able to talk to the Captain or Major or whomever leads the local chapter that she is involved with. We shall see.

I have also decided that I am going to confess to her that I am burning out. I want her to understand that my ability to handle everything is too overwhelming for me. As someone mentioned, she seems fixated that I am the only one that can help her. I need her to know that I not only want help doing things for her, but that I NEED help doing so. Someone suggested to me that I should attend a caregiver support group and that I tell my Mom that I am going to one. Maybe this will begin to shed some light on the overall impact that this is ultimately having on me. With my mother though, one can never tell because she likes to play psychologist with me and wants to hear all of my problems etc. Quite frankly, I want to strangle her when she does that because she cannot begin to fathom the depths of all the emotional turmoil I go through.

Oh... regarding her financial situation, it is not entirely wonderful, but she is not impoverished either. She has an excellent medical plan from her former employer (it was a government agency) and fantastic prescription coverage as well. She has some money in the bank, but I would venture to say that she is unwilling to touch any of that.

Getting her to sell the house is going to be next to impossible for a few reasons. First of all, she wants me to inherit the house when she dies. Second, she doesn't want to move because she has a nice backyard and she is really into bird watching and little critters like bunnies and such and moving would force her to give those up. I told her that wasn't necessarily true depending on where she went. I cannot force her to move, she is competent in the eyes of the law and therefore can make her own decisions. All I can do is keep hammering away, bit by painful bit, at her wall of stubbornness.

One last thing, her moving in with me is not an option for many, many, many reasons. First of all, that would mean that I would not get any break from her at all. I would be at her disposal 24 hours a day. That will not do. My little apartment (such as it is) is my sanctuary. It is my space and I am unwilling to give that up. Additionally there are other factors that I am not willing to discuss publicly or privately for that matter. Suffice it to say that I have had the occasion about 6 years ago to have no choice but to live there or be homeless and during that time she treated me like I was 10 years old, not a 34 year old man. I cannot do that to myself without going right over the cliff of sanity.

Damn, these posts of mine are long. I guess because the dynamics of the situation are so complex that it is warranted.

Thanks goes to everyone for taking your time to try to shed some light on this subject for me. It is not unnoticed or unappreciated.

My gratitude.

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RE: Taking Care of an Elderly Parent - 9/7/2006 11:39:52 AM   
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Gauge,

Not callous at all. You're main concern is obviously for your mother's welfare. As you point out, it is not safe for her to live in a house on her own when she has physical difficulties. Ultimately, her dependence on you will only increase so you have three options:

1) Give up all your time and even then it will not guarantee her safety because you can't be with her all of the time.
2) Have a carer come in her house.
3) Register her in a home.

Understandably, your mother wants to retain her independence from care workers but she's battling the inevitable and at some point she will have to face up to it. Maybe this point should be now to give you a break? Also, who knows, the company of a carer may do her the world of good.

My mother went through something similar with her mother about 10 years ago and they battled the inevitable for ages but since they faced up to it and registered her in a home it's worked out much better for both of them.

Plus, there is nothing in the rule book that says you have to give up a large part of your life for your mother. I'm sure she'll understand if you sit her down, have a chat and explain why she needs a carer for your well-being. As long as you go round to see her I'm sure she'll appreciate it.

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RE: Taking Care of an Elderly Parent - 9/7/2006 6:15:15 PM   
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Gauge:
Hugs to you.

Seems like you are getting a good grip on a plan of action that will work for you.
I like the part where you are planning to tell her that you want to take care of her, but need help to do this. This shows that you care, you are committed but that you are also human and what she has been asking is more than one person can do alone.
The " black hole" day is perfect. A great suggestion by your therapist.
I don't know where you live in Pa, but the Salvation Army has an Independent Living Center in Philly. I know your Mom would not agree to move there, BUT... when you speak with the Major of her local SA, perhaps he could refer you to a social worker at the Living Center, who may have some good ideas on how to handle the situation.  Maybe, just maybe your Mom would accept help from the SA volunteers, since she already has a history and connection with them. < keeping my fingers crossed for you>
The one in Philly is called the Ivy Residence and I believe there are other ones in Pa, but no sure.

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RE: Taking Care of an Elderly Parent - 9/8/2006 4:12:06 AM   
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Guage, if You're anywhere near Lancaster, i have a friend who manages a senior highrise there, that is assisted/independent for seniors. I'd be happy to put You in touch.

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RE: Taking Care of an Elderly Parent - 9/8/2006 5:24:13 AM   
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Gauge I feel for you and of course for your Mum and wish you the best. As a previous poster stated, I do not want to appear callous so please take this in the spirit it was intended. Yes, your Mum and her situation is immediate and seems all consuming to you, but you must focus on your own needs as a caregiver as well. I have included a couple of links for you that may help and I wish you all the best in what can feel an overwhelming and totally thankless situation.

A brief test to measure burnout levels with sound tips: 
http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/clients/sub.cfm?source=health/caregiving/burnout

Information and help site:
http://www.ethocare.org/care_giver.htm

Information and help site:
http://www.elderhope.com/Burnout.shtml


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RE: Taking Care of an Elderly Parent - 9/9/2006 5:46:00 PM   
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This is a nice resource, th place in Pa is called Brethren Villiage.

http://www.retirement-living.com/

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