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A question on whips and whipping - 9/5/2006 2:53:07 PM   
MichMasochist


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I've surrendered myself to a few dominating ladies in the past. With the exception of one such woman they always want to stand behind their bound slave while beating me. The one lady who stood in front of had me tied spread eagle in the middle of her living room. Another time she had me chained, kneeling collar to ring, and pad-locked to a ring in the middle of a solid 4 foot square oak board on the floor.

She really enjoyed watching me while she made me suffer with a kat and single-tail. Admittedly it was very exciting from a masochistic perspective to watch her standing there, enjoying my situation. When she had me standing spread-eagle she would step into the stroke to hit my right side. Bending forward to wrap the single tail to my left side. Yes that was my first wraping with a single tail.

So my question is, of all you happy whip crackers out there. Which do you prefer standing in front of your slave, behind, or to the side, when you whip with single-tail or kat? Is this a more advanced technique of an experienced whip-swinging-woman? Or a lady who really likes to make her slave suffer and watch face to face at the same time?

Mitch


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RE: A question on whips and whipping - 9/5/2006 2:56:41 PM   
barbiealto


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Status: offline 		I like to see the look on my subs' face!!

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RE: A question on whips and whipping - 9/5/2006 3:03:50 PM   
TheShadows


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Status: offline 		While I don't use a whip (single tail), I'm quite proficient and experienced in the use of floggers.  I prefer to stand in whatever position is most comfortable for me and provides the necessary space to throw the flogger in the manner I wish. 

From every safety class I've ever been to, from everything I've ever been told, and from my own experience, wrapping is the tell-tale sign of an uncontrolled tool, unless it's obviously done on purpose, of course. 

To each their own, but I've never heard of wrapping as an "advanced technique".  I avoid doing it like the plague.  It hurts (and usually not in a good way) if the wrap strikes a tender spot, such as hip or kidney.  Perhaps it was the easiest way for her to strike the area she desired while still seeing your face.

As always, YMMV...

MrsShadows

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RE: A question on whips and whipping - 9/5/2006 3:21:35 PM   
Silvermoon


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Status: offline 		Having been on both sides of the whip, I find that I use the same technique whether standing at the cross or standing behind a partner. Bare in mind I'm NOT an expert, but an avid lover of whips. I'll address this post as best I can from both points.

Generally on the cross (or similar instrument) I like to stand about four-five inches from the cross itself. This is for a couple of reasons. 1) if one stroke hits much harder than others chances are I'm going to react to it. This allows me to flinch forward for a moment or two to process the strike, then move back into *exact* position. This is important so as not to throw off the 'aim' of the whip. Too close and it will bite harder and off target, too far and it will merely brush forcing a chance in stance. This also allows the Top/Dominant to more easily read my body language since I am faced away from them.
I also prefer a cross because it allows me to protect my head  by tucking it in the apex of the cross, in case of an odd stray strike with a tiring arm or other such accident.

If a cross isn't available I'll try for a whipping post, or simply stand with my hands above my head (thus covers the ears) and worst case, if against a wall or door frame, I look straight downwards to tuck my chin. I don't do alot of frontal whipping, but do have SOME degree of experience, in these cases often there useage of a blind fold of leather to protect the eyes, and ears, and my face will but turned away (I also have long hair which helps to protect my face by draping it)

When holding a whip I never wrap it, and having wrapping done is an accident I seek to avoid. Whips are one of those tools that has various degrees of impact and use, so I'm not sure how to comment on the wrapping of it. The cracking of a whip is sonic speed, hence the noise. When you wrap a tool, whether a flogger or a whip, the increased momentum is approx. 4 times faster. (again this is very dependant on the throw itself)

While I'd never purposely wrap a whip, I do get enjoyment out of the mind-freak of whips. Estabishing a pattern of strokes, then allowing some comfort in predicting of them, then adding a heavier stroke, or a crack to one side or the other of the person. Mirrors can be wonderful things too, if your partner happens to enjoy watching themselves/you play. The one thing I love about a whip, is you can't necessarily hear the strike coming like many floggers. That's part of the charm, the surprise.

Sincerely,
Silver

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RE: A question on whips and whipping - 9/5/2006 4:10:32 PM   
MichMasochist


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Status: offline 		Very informative post Silvermoon. You brought up some points I hadn't pondered. I must conclude the dominating lady was very skilled seeing as how the welts do not cover my no-strike-zones, kidneys, neck, face, etc. Except of course when she face slapped me.

I could definately see getting hit by an errant stroke when she had me chained by the collar to the floor. As each stroke made me thrash about. However, spread eagle really left me very little room to squearm about. It was very, well real(?), seeing and knowing the next stroke was coming.

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RE: A question on whips and whipping - 9/5/2006 4:37:00 PM   
MsSonnetMarwood


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Status: offline 		More often than not, I'm behind the sub.   The primary reason for that is there's simply a lot more "strike zones" on the back of a person - shoulders, butt, upper thighs - than there are on the front of a person.  I also like to focus percussion play on the rump and thighs - just a personal preference.  However, I have used single tails on male genitalia more than once.  You have to be very "in control" of what you are doing - you use a gentler stroke as well.

One thing to consider about positioning - if your arms are above you in a classic cross position, you are pulling the muscles in your shoulders tight which lowers your tolerance.  The shoulder muscles are more relaxed and thus able to take more if the arms are relaxed and down.  No right or wrong way, but it is something to keep in mind depending on what kind of sceen you want to have.

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RE: A question on whips and whipping - 9/5/2006 5:45:07 PM   
MisPandora


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Status: offline 		I tend to stalk all the way around any free zone of my target. (And this is all dependent upon the obstructions, of course.)  There's no reason why I can't use the signal whip straight on or from the side, as it opens up far more area to play with.  Floggers, same thing.  Canes, same thing.   No, I clearly don't pick one spot and stick to it.

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RE: A question on whips and whipping - 9/5/2006 7:59:15 PM   
ladylexington


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Status: offline 		I prefer the backside in most cases for whipping. I've found that submissives sometimes forget to keep their head tilted back. I'm always concerned that they will drop their chin and take an embarrasing mark (at best).

Unless I am playing very heavily, I flog from every angle.

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RE: A question on whips and whipping - 9/5/2006 8:08:06 PM   
LadyHugs


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Status: offline 		Dear MichMascochist, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
I use floggers, cat o nines, quirts and single tails.  I do use both hands to work whips with and, my preferred furniture is a free standing bondage frame, as to move all around my captive audience.
 
In addition to sensual wrappings with single tails, slapping on genitals and the like, I move how I wish to see the lad/lass 'dance' in discomfort.
 
I also enjoy using canes as well.
 
The body as well as the eyes and the face, with support of the captive's moans, groans and roars is a great turn on for more sensations, as to let them float free from those bonds into a subspace and then gently return to ground, to catch their breath per se--
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs

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RE: A question on whips and whipping - 9/5/2006 8:10:17 PM   
KenDckey


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Status: offline 		Playing with a whip without tons of practice can be extremely dangerous.   It cuts, it bruises, and can be deadly.   Wrapping it around someone is even more dangerous because you don't have control of it unless you are very experienced.

I grew up with a cowboy dad.   Yes he rode a horse and all that.   I couldn't get away from him because he would wrap the whip around my ankle and I would go face first into the dirt.  Dad used to play wrapping it around my waist when I got older.  It was great fun to hear the crack behind me and then have it wrap around me without causing pain.   I learned how to do this and now I teach my grandchildren to stand still while I do it to them.   I was caught by the police (just by accident) playing tag with my whip with the  neighborhood kids.  They watched and decided I wasn't doing any harm because the kids were giggling and coming back for more.   But that takes lots of practice. 

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RE: A question on whips and whipping - 9/5/2006 8:14:10 PM   
LadyHugs


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Status: offline 		Dear MichMasochist, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
I should have added, that I do put my captive in different positions.  One of my favorites for a fit lad/lass is inverted (upside down), should there be a St. Catherine's Wheel being on your side is most interesting indeed.
 
Kneeling, in a whip position on the floor, laying down on the floor, face up or face down, gives me a lot of variety.  Slings are ok but, I like as much access to a captive as much as possible.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs

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RE: A question on whips and whipping - 9/5/2006 8:24:49 PM   
LadyHugs


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Status: offline 		Dear KenDckey, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
You wrote;
 
quote:

ORIGINAL: KenDckey

Playing with a whip without tons of practice can be extremely dangerous.   It cuts, it bruises, and can be deadly.   Wrapping it around someone is even more dangerous because you don't have control of it unless you are very experienced.

I grew up with a cowboy dad.   Yes he rode a horse and all that.   I couldn't get away from him because he would wrap the whip around my ankle and I would go face first into the dirt.  Dad used to play wrapping it around my waist when I got older.  It was great fun to hear the crack behind me and then have it wrap around me without causing pain.   I learned how to do this and now I teach my grandchildren to stand still while I do it to them.   I was caught by the police (just by accident) playing tag with my whip with the  neighborhood kids.  They watched and decided I wasn't doing any harm because the kids were giggling and coming back for more.   But that takes lots of practice. 


I agree with any tools dominants use, have a potential to cause injuries. 
 
I further agree strongly, with the statement that using whips take a lot of practice on non-humans before trying it on humans.  The caress and snatch of the belly/fall of the single tail/bullwhip, as to hug the item and flip/snatch does take practice indeed.  It is a favorite skill for 'crackers' (name for whip masters in the rodeo and trick whip circuit); and also seen in old Western movies like "The Black Whip,"  Zorro, Indiana Jones and Cat Woman.  It really is lovely to see good whip mastery in action.  The wrap and hold is just as lovely indeed. 
 
Respectfully submitted with many memories recalled,
Lady Hugs

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RE: A question on whips and whipping - 9/5/2006 8:40:17 PM   
MisPandora


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quote:

ORIGINAL: KenDckey

Playing with a whip without tons of practice can be extremely dangerous.   It cuts, it bruises, and can be deadly.   Wrapping it around someone is even more dangerous because you don't have control of it unless you are very experienced.


So would you enlighten us with where you found these statistics that whips kill people?  I mean really....is that an official FBI report?  Where is the documentation of all of these fatal whip injuries that you speak of?

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RE: A question on whips and whipping - 9/5/2006 8:51:45 PM   
MstrssScarlet


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Status: offline 		I use a variety of floggers, a singletail, crops, canes....etc.  I had a whipping post constructed last year.  The post itself is 8 feet tall with an eyebolt at the top and there is a large base for the bottom to stand on.  From the post I've suspended chains low enough that when the sub/slave's cuffs are fastened, their arms are at approximately the same heigth as their head.  Of course, this can be altered if desired.  I always prop up a full length mirror in front of the post so that if I am striking from the back (which is most of the time, but not always), I can still see their reaction and they in turn can see what I'm doing.  Quite often I will work my way around the sides either by changing my position or slightly wrapping.  (Oh my gosh!  Did she really say that?!)  Yes, I intentionally wrap at times, but normally only from the waist down and in such a way that the strike on the side is no harder than the ones on the backside.  I don't have a lifetime of experience, but I learned very quickly.  One of my subs is a real pain slut and loves for me to whip his genitals from the side so that it wraps around his penis.  I've done it many times and it's still attached, so I guess I'm doing ok??? LOL  Obviously I don't strike very hard when I do this and I don't use an 8 foot bullwhip. 
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RE: A question on whips and whipping - 9/5/2006 9:22:00 PM   
MisPandora


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quote:

ORIGINAL: MstrssScarlet
Obviously I don't strike very hard when I do this and I don't use an 8 foot bullwhip. 
Mistress Scarlet


Actually, wrapping with an 8 foot to 12 foot bull IS acceptable.  It's a professional skill that whiphandlers do.  The Dantes used to finish their bullwhip classes with limb wrapping.  To experience it done well, where the whip is deliberately wrapped around the limb (also can be done to the torso) and the cracker snaps just beyond....it's an amazing thing to watch.

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