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For Animal Lovers-legislation - 9/6/2006 10:47:19 AM   
WhiteRadiance


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Of all the things for our country to EXPORT?  Horse meat??   FOREIGN owned horsemeat at that! I support this bill and please take a minute out of your day to let your legislators know how you feel.   


With a vote on the American Horse Slaughter Prevention Act (H.R. 503) expected this week, your support is urgently needed!  Wednesday, September 6, is the national call-in day for constituents to urge House members to permanently protect horses from slaughter in the United States.
Last year, almost 100,000 horses suffered and died in the United States in foreign-owned slaughterhouses, so that their flesh could be flown to Europe and Asia for human consumption. We must send a clear signal to the world that American horses are not here to be slaughtered to serve the foreign market for horsemeat.

Make the call on September 6!  Please call your U.S. Representative tomorrow, September 6, and urge him or her to vote “YES” on the American Horse Slaughter Prevention Act!  Tell your Representative:  "I am a constituent, and I am calling to ask that Representative __________ please protect American horses from slaughter and support H.R. 503, the Horse Slaughter Prevention Act. I also urge you to oppose any amendments to H.R. 503. I am very concerned about American horses, and I don't want them to be slaughtered."  To find contact information for your representative, click here, or call the Capitol switchboard at (202) 224-3121.

The time is now!  A vote on this bill is imminent.  As always, thank you for your continued support to help us protect America’s horses!



 

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RE: For Animal Lovers-legislation - 9/6/2006 10:55:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		what about the people that raise horses for a living?
do you care what it costs to care for a worthless or dangerous animal?
horses are livestock..they are dangerous if uncontrolable and dontr try selling me that crap about no bad horses just bad owners..that's bull shit.



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RE: For Animal Lovers-legislation - 9/6/2006 11:22:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Okay, this is a subject I feel strongly about on several levels.

Most people here know I live in a very rural part of the US. While it is not terribly poor economically, its not exactly wealthy either. I would say the average household income is definately below $50,000 with many that barely getting by with hourly wages around the $8- $10/hour and very few benefits. There are ALOT of people that live either in the country or in very small towns. Most of these people have pets including ALOT of horses, very few of them are conscientious about veterinary care for their pets especially spaying, neutering (gelding in the case of horses) Every spring you see a plethora of foals. The problem is that 99.9% of the horses giving birth are grade stock (not registered purebreds) and given the over abundance of low - medium quality registered purebred horses these grade horses are of no $$ value. I am so angered by the irresponsibility of the people that have these animals yet continue to breed more. Alot of it is swaggering, low IQ males that think because they have a stallion they need to breed it to as many mares as possible to show off,(some kind of weird machismo) when the stallion is of such low quality he should have been gelded. Alot of it is some weird kind of addiction. They have a nice mare and....."ohhhh I wonder what kind of baby she would have" so they talk to one of the swaggering stallion owners and swap an old jon boat or something for letting his "stud" knock up their mare while they stand back watching with a PBR in their hands making lewd jokes.
Horses are not inexpensive to own, this I know for a face. Many ( at least 50%) of the people that allow their horses to breed and give birth are not taking proper care of the adult horses let along the new babies. Less than 2 miles from my home is a house that has approx 15 horses in a pen you should not keep 15 large dogs in, they are always too thin and getting hurt from the junk cars, logging equipments etc they have to maneuver around. Yet every year they have a few more babies. The local athorities continue to ignore it when they are called.
Every summer and fall there is a HUGE quantity of grade horses that hit the sale barns because no one wants the expense of feeding them thru the winter. The sad fact is that no matter how thin and bony they are they are worth more per pound kill weight than they are to an overpopulated recreation horse market.

Now you may be asking why I wrote all of that and what it has to do with the legistation.

This.
There are far FAR too many horses in this country, the supply and demand is so far off balance that the kill buyers have found a cheap and easy place to buy. If the people creating the supply was doing for this specific purpose then ending the exportation would work. Unfortunately they are not nearly that smart. The fact of the matter is they don't care where that horse ends up. I know because I have two of them in my pasture at home. I bid against kill buyers to get them. When one had a health issue and I wanted to get its medical records I could not even find a record of the previous owner. All I got was, "some guy from Missouri" No one would tell me anything. If you want to legislate something really humane that will end the killing of horses for meat products it has to start at the source. All male horses must be gelded unless proven worthy by a board representing the specific breed. Until you stop the supply the kill buyers and exporters are only doing a service much like a rendering truck will do later otherwise at a later date when those horses starve to death or die from injury or illness due to lack of proper veterinary care.


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RE: For Animal Lovers-legislation - 9/6/2006 12:22:21 PM   
subjected2006


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Status: offline 		horses have it a hell of a lot easier  than cows do
cows are smart freindly trainable animals also
(my daughter taught her brown swiss to pull a cart)
cows go on the truck maimed and in such pain they bawl constantly
they get  to the plants and wait in those trucks up to three days to be
killed
horses are run through in less than an hour
i have a dear friend who is one of the biggest horse transporters in new york
this is a subject dear to my heart
animal rights activists would do better to care about their own species a bit more
i dont ever want to see an animal abused or neglected ..but livestock is livestock
we need to be level headed about these things
horse meat is not bad,,i wont eat it simply because of the stuff they have in their  systems but if some family in france or japan wants to eat it why the heck not?
we still drink coffee thats been sprayed with DDT dont we?
...just sayin'






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RE: For Animal Lovers-legislation - 9/6/2006 12:38:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		I raise horses for a living. If I have a sick or injured horse that cannot be helped I have him put down humanely. Some horses will never race, I find them good homes. The rounding up & slaughter of wild horses is barbaric. Is it suggested a person cannot care for horses & people at the same time?

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RE: For Animal Lovers-legislation - 9/6/2006 12:43:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		While obviously more attention needs to be put on the cause and not the result- more stringent regulation and and monitoring of horse breeding, the problem is that horses, unlike kitties and puppies and rats, are very big and able to make money from their flesh. 

Thus, while I don't necessarily want to encourage the needless slaughter of animals, I'm not against the practice of slaughtering and making money from animals.

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RE: For Animal Lovers-legislation - 9/6/2006 12:52:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		No horse breeder allows horses to breed indescriminately. The gestation period for a foal is almost a full year. Most mares are bred back 18 days after foaling unless given a year off. Most breeding is done artificial insemination except for thoroughbreds which is all live cover. No matter which way it is done it is VERY expensive to breed let alone the housing, feeding, farrier, & vet bills of the mother & foal. No one raises horses for food. It's $1,500 from a rendering plant for a live horse, a truly paltry sum.

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RE: For Animal Lovers-legislation - 9/6/2006 5:26:59 PM   
WhiteRadiance


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Status: offline 		It is apparent that most of those who have replied to this topic did not read what it is about. Maybe no one cares about the horses, and if that is so, then fine.  Let 'em die.
But there are several issues at hand here- one being that our country is being sold to foreigners- who own municipal water supplies, the oil in Alaska, electric companies, and now, we have an opportunity to STOP them from buying and exporting AMERICAN horses for meat.  What's next? 
 
Horses are mean and stupid, but so are people, IMO.  So if you want to be apathetic and turn a blind eye, while continuing to bicker back and forth and take NO action, you are just being impotent. 
 
I put this up to spur action, not debate.
 
LaT- I hear you, and believe all breeders should have to pay a fee to breed any animal, plus have a business license.  AND I believe in having a limit on how many animals someone is allowed to own without a permit.  Mandatory spay/neuter for ALL animals who are not breeders. 
 
oh yes, and I like cows too.  No legislation on the floor pertaining to them, however.

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RE: For Animal Lovers-legislation - 9/6/2006 5:42:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		A few points:

A:  I will not lie, I have eaten horse, and it is damn tasty.  I realize that I would say this with pride even if it were a lie, but it is not.

B:  Do we really want the government telling us that only certain animals are allowed to make babies?  If I, a billionaire Texas rancher, have a horse I dearly love, and I want it to have a foal, where is the issue?  But if we let the rich do so, then the poor have to be allowed to as well, no?  Let's just enforce more laws against cruelty, and confiscate animals from people who are keeping them irresponsibly.  Granted, those few horses may have to be slaughtered, but it will spare a whole boatload more as people learn.

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I put this up to spur action, not debate.


That is probably the stupidest thing I have ever heard.  On second thought, scratch the probably.  HOW THE FUCK SHOULD WE KNOW IF THIS IS SMART IF WE DO NOT DEBATE IT?  And so far, most of us have concluded it is not the most brilliant plan.  So much for mob hysteria.

D:  Why should non-American horses be okay to slaughter, but AMERICAN ones, are not?

E:  Why should horses be spared, and not cattle, nor lambs, nor pigs, nor any number of animals we love to slaughter for shits and giggles?

Okay, I think I'm done.

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Edited to add:  *THUD THUD THUD THUD   

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RE: For Animal Lovers-legislation - 9/6/2006 5:49:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Benji, why did you eat a horse?  just curious.

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RE: For Animal Lovers-legislation - 9/6/2006 6:09:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		It must be something in the serious part of the biorhythms.  I am going with benji all the way on this.  Horses are kin, kine and kind as far as I am concerned. 

They taste good.

Pets are pets, and kin and kine is kind (cattle to you non oe).

Nobodys is snatching your Vietnamese pot-bellied pig from underneath the dining room table to slaughter for Lasagna Bolognese in some far off land.  

Insofar as the selling of america to foriegners goes, this may come as a shock, but we can't sell canada to them, but I suppose someone is working on striking a deal to make.   We sell goods and services, and land and other things off all the time.


I remember the uproar when several buildings in New York were sold at exhorbitant prices to the Japanese in our "J" bashing days, Rockefeller Center by example:  The cry went out both far and wide, Radio City, The Ziegfield Follies (now there is a good american name, all gone....kimonos  will be our bed and cheap japonic radios will be our covering was the hue and cry across the land).  They eventually sold them back to americans at firesale prices, because they could not manage the ignorant fuck everybody for themselves capitalistic americans.   One of those complexes was the world trade center.....

Hmmmmmmm.....we got fucked again.  Dammit.

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RE: For Animal Lovers-legislation - 9/6/2006 6:15:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cuddleheart50

Benji, why did you eat a horse?  just curious.



I'm so hungry, I could eat a horse.

But seriously, in Europe it is somewhat common.  I tried it, liked it, and proceeded to have it on occasion, just like I eat venison on occasion, or buffalo.

It's good, I highly recommend it.  Very flavourful, dark meat.

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benji

Edited because I would not recomend spelling reccommend the way I spelled reccomend.

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benji

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RE: For Animal Lovers-legislation - 9/6/2006 6:16:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've never seen benji so riled.....well....maybe. And I'm wondering too under what circumstances did you eat horse meat? Were you forced, a college prank, or simply felt a little adventurous. Not trying to infer that was a bad or yucky thing, just wondering, as I've never seen it readily avalible.

I am definitely against any and all cruel treatment of animals, and what LaTigresse has said is definitely gut wrenching for me. The not-so-bright owners are certainly at fault there, and still don't get the picture. Simply amazing it is. Animal are like children in the sense that they are truly innocent. 

In regards to the issue the OP brought up, do you know more about this or can point me to someplace to find out something a bit more in depth about what exactly is taking place? I know it's rather late to be finding out something about this right now, but still I think it would be a prudent thing to research it some, or at the very least debate this topic here in this forum.

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RE: For Animal Lovers-legislation - 9/6/2006 6:20:58 PM   
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I've never seen benji so riled.....well....maybe. And I'm wondering too under what circumstances did you eat horse meat? Were you forced, a college prank, or simply felt a little adventurous. Not trying to infer that was a bad or yucky thing, just wondering, as I've never seen it readily avalible.



I kinda answered that at the same time as you were typing this, but I'll expand a bit.  In Europe, horses are bred for the slaughter, much like certain breeds of cows are here.  There are butcher shops that specialise in horse, but normal supermarkets carry the usual cuts - tenderloin, flank and such.

I was going to a barbeque, and a friend and I stopped into a small grocery store at the railway station to buy something to grill.  He bought a cut of horse, and I did as well.

Hope that explains it.

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RE: For Animal Lovers-legislation - 9/6/2006 6:40:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Those bastards, exporting our horse meat. This explains the rising price of American bologna! What next? Will they start shipping our dog meat overseas too? How then will Jerry Jeff and his cousin/wife Billie Jo be able to afford potted meat?

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RE: For Animal Lovers-legislation - 9/6/2006 6:41:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey!  I like potted meat! 

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RE: For Animal Lovers-legislation - 9/6/2006 6:56:02 PM   
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Hey!  I like potted meat! 


And large fonts, apparently.

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RE: For Animal Lovers-legislation - 9/6/2006 6:58:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Benji, I'm 50 and I don't see so well anymore, give this old lady a break.

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RE: For Animal Lovers-legislation - 9/6/2006 7:17:49 PM   
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I put this up to spur action, not debate.


Wow. This sums up, in nine little words, so much of what is wrong with politics in this country. This is the most distasteful, most ignorant, most repugnant, most damaging idea I've seen posted here, which is saying something. I don't mean to judge you -- perhaps you didn't mean it this way. Please post a clarification that you're appalled at what you wrote, that it meant something different and was just expressed wrong, that you would never suggest ideas should just be acted upon thoughtlessly by those who read them and not discussed. Letting this stand as written is an offense against society.

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RE: For Animal Lovers-legislation - 9/6/2006 7:20:03 PM   
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I put this up to spur action, not debate.


That is probably the stupidest thing I have ever heard.  On second thought, scratch the probably.


Hear, hear! We should all be indignant. Please tell me everyone is disgusted.

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