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TNstepsout -> Practice Makes Perfect (9/6/2006 3:12:12 PM)

This is in response to some statements thetammyjo made on another thread. I wanted to expand on her comments but didn't want to hijack the thread.

She said "Get experience first, relationships second. How can you make a good decision about a partner (and we are partners in BDSM before we are anything else in my not humble opinion) until you have experience with a variety of BDSM activities and partners?

I'm not just speaking out my butt here I'm speaking experiences. Please trust me, take your time and learn about yourself and about BDSM, have fun and play with at least a few different people, maybe find an organization or a mentor or just plain old friends into BDSM. You'll be a much stronger woman, a much more skill top, and a much more in control dominant after a year or two of experimenting and learning."

I think this is good advice, and something I am trying to do, however I have some additional questions for tammyjo and anyone else who would like to comment.

When you say practice, are you speaking primarily of "play" type of practice?  What of the D/s dynamic? Can that be "practiced" without a real connection and rapport between people? Does it become just roleplay if there isn't? And if so, is that still valuable experience? What if the play creates a lot of emotional responses? Is that safe to do at a practice level?

and anything else you might care to add that would help this newbie make decisions.




slaveferry -> RE: Practice Makes Perfect (9/6/2006 3:42:17 PM)

I know practice comes first but here in the Netherlands there are not many Dommes that take unexpericed slave as training slave. They mostly look for expericed slaves.




bandit25 -> RE: Practice Makes Perfect (9/6/2006 3:47:18 PM)

She may be correct, but I don't play casually.  Perhaps, she was speaking more to dommes than to subs.




thetammyjo -> RE: Practice Makes Perfect (9/6/2006 4:13:25 PM)

Ds develops over time -- while you can't practice the emotional side of it, you can practice the skills that are part of it with other people.

These are just some ideas coming out of my head based on the training and mentoring I've done but a lot from my teaching history even. My advice is geared toward tops and doms -- not bottoms or subs where I have no business giving such advice beyond the basic safety guidelines and what attracts me on this level.

For example, when you are dom you should be comfortable giving orders. Try to be more assertive in other parts of your life like ordering in a restaurant. Instead of saying "May/Could I have a soda?" say "I'll have a diet Coke." Seems silly? I hear people especially women use questions and questioning tones all the time. If you can get more comfortable with a level of assertiveness in the mundane world hopefully it wil carry over into other parts of your life.

Try running fantasy situations in your mind. These are fantasies in that they are not currently happening not in terms of you are playing with the gods or the Amazon queen of Hesperia. Now step outside your head and say the words you imagine out loud, practice in front of a mirror, look at your body and your posture. It doesn't have to be perfect but the more comfortable you are making statements, the easier it will be to make them when you are with another person.

Same thing with clothes. If you like to dress up a bit, wear the clothes around, live some life in them, the more comfortable you are the more in control you will feel and the more in control you will seem to others. While a leather mini-dress might seem erotic the day of your scene with someone is not the day to first wear it because you will focus on it and not on you or your partner.

Read and respond to what you read. Reading is great but if we just read passively we learn very little and we can understand even less. I write in my books but others hate doing that. When you read a new book, fiction or non-fiction, stop every chapter or section and jot down your response. Did something seem hot to you? Why? Did something confuse you? If you reread that is it less confusing? Did something turn you off? Why? When we figure out what turns us on and off then we are one step closer to figuring out what we want in a scene.

Find an organization especially one that offers workshops and opportunities to learn. Not always possible but a really good idea if you can. If you have such a group nearby -- GO. Not once, not twice, go regularly. So what if I've been to two flogging demos before? Maybe this time I'll feel comfortable enough to ask to be an assistant or to approach the teacher with some questions.

Find like minded people. The Internet can be.... interesting and informative, not necessarily both at once. Nothing in my opinion replaces face-to-face discussion. I also like mentors myself, I've had them, I've been one. Mentors do not play with you in my opinion -- they teach you. When you are learning to be a dom or a top being able to watch someone, listen to their direction and then practice with their guidence and comments is very helpful. You can have a mentor for each activity you wish to learn, for the type of relationships you'd like to try, or simply as a more experienced person you can talk to. Your mentor is just a human being with more experience than you -- they are not a god, their opinion is not the law and you should never try to do things the exact way they do.

Now to the more fun part perhaps -- playing with people to get experience.

Some folks really like the idea of starting on the bottom/sub level. I don't think it is necessary or even wise for everyone.

When you starting to learn to be a dom and a top, the organizations can be a great way to find casual partners. Casual in terms of BDSM scene not in terms of sex or one-night stands. Go with a friend to events so you always have someone to enter and leave with first -- it helped me a lot! When you are at an event, find someone who does something you like and watch them. Here's the hard part as a single woman: be open to topping that random guy who approaches you. At a club or a party, with your friend by your side, it can be very educational and safe to just try a ten minute flogging on someone else. Make it clear this is a one-time thing and stick to one activity, thank the person for their time, and move on.

I wish I had so taken that advice more to heart myself. I would have been a much better top if I'd practiced on more people with my mentor or friend at my side to give me feedback. The few times I did it, I had mixed feelings but I know that I learned a lot in terms of technique.

Do things in small doses. When you scene with someone (casual or potential relationship) start small and slow. Agree to a one hour scene, focus on simple orders or tasks, and never let yourself be pushed to do more than what you've agreed to. As you get more comfortable you can do more activities or spend more time together. Someone whining about how they need to be your 24/7 slave now? Too bad for them, kick them to the curb and take things slow so you are comfortable and feeling the solid ground beneath your feet.

The emotional and psychological play can come later, right now get comfortable giving order and having them follows, setting up a rule or two and enforcing it. Love and devotation and other types of connection may also develop in the future. Leave yourself open to it but don't focus on it or demand it -- the first seems desperate (not attract in either dom or sub) and the second is unrealistic and a great way to get disappointed.

Finally never under estimate the value of more experienced subs/bottoms. I had a few other doms offer me their boy/girl at an event or for an evening. I rarely took them up because I was so focus on that "relationship of mine" that didn't exist yet. But those times I did accept, damn, I learned a lot about myself and about the Ds dynamic. At it's core Ds is about authority, established and maintained, consensual authority. You can set up that authority with an experience person who will respect it and get a good feeling for being the center of attention and the decision maker.

If you are in a job or position where you have authority, try the first trick of giving orders rather than asking for things to be done. You don't have to be rude and you don't need to raise your voice but it will get you comfortable with being in charge.

I'm no where near perfect. I didn't do all these things as much as I could have and I wish I had. I had too many heart breaking "relationships" that weren't anything more than a scene or two. When I slowed down and started experimenting and then worked out a trainging program I started to feel much more like the dominant I am inside underneath all this social bullshit (as I like to say).

This is just my view and my advice.




TNstepsout -> RE: Practice Makes Perfect (9/6/2006 4:45:00 PM)

TammyJo, Thank you. That is wonderful advise. Thank you for taking the time to write such long, well thought out cooments.

Some of the things you have suggested I have done, such as practicing in every day life and imagining scenes in my head. I have not said things out loud but I think that's good advice. In fact, since I feel uncomfortable with the idea, I'm CERTAIN it's good advice. I think your suggestions are very good and fit very well with the way I like to do things already. I prefer a methodical approach to learning something new, especially something where another person is going to rely on me.

I have only recently entered the local scene and don't know a lot of people yet, but those I have met so far have been very friendly and down to earth. I think I should be able to find a mentor or two among them and plenty of good advice. I guess the goal for me now should be to get more involved and meet more people.

Thanks again TammyJo. I can't tell you how much I appreciate what you've said here. Both from the perspective of an experienced Domme and from the mistakes you made while you were learning. I appreciate it because I can already see myself faced with some of the pitfalls you describe. It would be nice to fall into as few of them as possible.

TN




LadyHugs -> RE: Practice Makes Perfect (9/6/2006 5:21:25 PM)

Dear TNstepsout, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
I have mentored, trained, presented and given demonstrations for quite a while.
 
What I do advise individuals starting out, regardless of the roles, is to be honest of what you really want and only compromise if you must.  Being an over pleaser towards others, robs you as an individual of finding your happiness because, you're trying to make others happy with you through over giving, over compensation trying to have somebody like you or accept you.  Problem is, you'll find people who you want approval from who will have nothing to do with you regardless what you do or how high you are in the 'respected list.'
 
Second advice is--your reputation is built on what you do and say.  It is not dropping names of who you know or what you know but, speaking with experience well earned moment by moment; to which gives you first hand experience and not hearsay or second hand information, knowledge and or skills.  Anybody can talk a good game but, when you can do what you say you can do--people tend to finally stop yapping and go find some other person to pick on.
 
Novice at the role, one sometimes has to become an actor/actress.  The mind then changes the body as to speak the part.  Once comfortable in the role, it no longer is an act.  It is just catching up to the part in life you wish to play in life.  Not just BDSM or D/s, M/s scenes but, a life's long term goal.  For example, I am a dominant woman.  I draw from women I've admired in my life and certain manners or behaviors that I wish to adopt myself.  Then, I walk down any sidewalk, into any resturant and vanilla gatherings and let my aire or presence speak for me.  When I walk into a room, people step aside without me speaking--so why do they do this?  It is the energy I transmit and my body language.  Sometimes I just stand there until they notice, I stand my ground I do not surrender.  When they do notice they move--not I.  When they move I thank them and move on to my targeted spot.  I wasn't dressed as a dominant--I am and was dominant.  I was not rude, I was respectful period.  I was an example of being polite, humble and conducted myself accordingly.  When I talk to people, I have in my soul that they are the most important people in my world right now--I do care about people, so this is not something that I transmit in a false sense but, most real.  It can intimidate people indeed, threaten insecure individuals.  They cannot identify it but, they see that 'energy.'  So, when they cannot understand it --people fear what they do not understand.
 
Each command given will have an reaction and or an effect.  I do have a method to the degree of experience of the one serving.  I do not overwhelm my servant/slave/submissive/trainee.  New, the simple tasks, such as fetching a beverage and gentleman conduct is enough.  I ease the servant into higher degrees of service slowly and at their pace.  My preference in training, would to match an experienced slave with a novice Master/Mistress.  The experienced Master/Mistress with a novice slave/submissive.  Each experienced individual, be it slave or Master--teaches beyond words.  An experienced slave will stay within protocols, function at high quality submission.  Being exposed to a functional M/s or D/s exchange, will forever imprint on the novices mind.  It all happens with communication, consistancy and patience.  And, I am generous with praise.  I never end with a but, then list of the things done wrong.  The last thing I want a lad/lass to hear, is all the wonderful things they did, my appreciation and my praise.  I also listen to the slaves.  I teach dominants to listen as well.
 
Hope this adds to the thread.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs
 
 




LadyZee -> RE: Practice Makes Perfect (9/6/2006 9:27:11 PM)

The advice presented here is wonderful, especially with regard to what I think of as strengthening your "voice".  I'd like to strongly encourage you to use tammyjo's suggestion to go to local play events with a friend/mentor and use that time to practice (e.g., use and strengthen) your voice, your demeanor and your use of implements.  Although I've always been naturally dominant, I've only been out in the local scene for ~2 years.  During that time I've developed relationships with other dominants who have helped me with advice, suggestions, opportunties to practice on their subs, etc.  One of the most useful, though, has been making the most of time with uncollared subs at club and play events.  The opportunity to work on stroke/technique for floggers of various materials, canes, whips, rods, restraining, directing, etc. has been very valuable.  At first, it did feel like roleplaying, now it is just me being me. 

I think that after care is very important--tailored to the interaction, of course.  It doesn't hurt to take some time afterward to check in with the sub, ask any questions you might have and thank him/her for the willingness to submit to or serve you. 

Last, but not least, I think it is very important to know the tools you use.  As an example, I have a love of flogging.  It is very important to me that I know what different sensations that each of my floggers produces with different rythms and force.  I typically check the sensation on my own body - whether on my own or with the aid of an experienced friend - so that I have a better understanding of what the sub might feel.




TNstepsout -> RE: Practice Makes Perfect (9/7/2006 5:45:34 AM)

Thank you Lady Hugs and Lady Zee.

In response to Lady Hugs, I agree that patterning after other people is very helpful. I have been doing this for some time and you are right, it does work. At first behaving in a way that seems unnatural to me is uncomfortable and seems strange, however I've found that when I get a reaction from other people it begins to seem normal. In other words, part of the reason it seems unnatural to me, is that I feel as if I'm going to be spotted as a fake, as if the behavior is going to appear false. But once I try it anyway and it works, I'm encouraged and it begins to seem more natural. After a while I don't have to think about it so much, I just start to behave that way.

To LadyZee, it seems as if the overall consensus is to get more involved locally. This is something I have just begun to do, and although it's my tendency to withdraw into a very small circle of people I feel comfortable with, I see I need to get over that. I have just begun talking with a very nice, helpful Dom who has offered to introduce me in his circles and teach me what he can.




theRose4U -> RE: Practice Makes Perfect (9/7/2006 8:07:11 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: slaveferry

I know practice comes first but here in the Netherlands there are not many Dommes that take unexpericed slave as training slave. They mostly look for expericed slaves.

Experienced by who's standards? I would personally prefer one that has desire and obedience more than anything else. I personally don't take training slaves, either they are mine or I don't waste my time.

"Experience" can take many forms. It is how these things apply to the house hold that is most important. A "trained" victorain butler would have no real use in my household. Technically they have been "trained" and may even have experience, however these experiences would have no practical need in my home. I would literally have to un-teach someone elses imprint in order to imprint my own beliefs.

So yeah in this case steriotype = FALSE




MisPandora -> RE: Practice Makes Perfect (9/7/2006 9:41:52 AM)

I think for my first five years, I was on the experiential track where I was learning, trying new things, figuring out what I did or didn't like.  During that time, I was pretty heavily involved in the BDSM group culture.  And I also managed to pick up a professional gig, my own dungeon and a fairly neat little following in the process. During this time, I had personal slaves, clients, as well as a few mentors (male and female dominants who kept an eye out on me.)

At the five or six year mark, I took on a different role, in my own life and in my community.  My BDSM life became exponential, meaning that with my change in mind and spirit, my power was raised through a continuum of relationships, of building family, and creating a culture around myself.  Namely, this happened because of a serious relationship.  I was on a higher plateau.  And once that relationship ended, I've found that nothing else....not even really great "play" replaces the power that is raised through a relationship enhanced with D/s.

I've now gone beyond my 10 year mark.  I've taught worldwide and was honored to teach for the premiere women's leather event in the world.  I've judged others, and will continue to be expected to evaluate my peers for their readiness, be it to go forth and represent their community as a titleholder, to glance over a boy's resume before he sends it off to a prospective daddy, or to counsel a fellow dominant.  I've been afforded opportunities to be a responsible party, a champion for others in my hometown, and a woman who's been there and done that and who has gone on to touch the lives of others in and out of leather and SM. 

At this point, I'm ready to have another relationship, but not too anxious that I lose sight of what matters to me.  I'm not desperate for play partners or for "experiences", and I certainly don't want for having targets to aim my whips at lest I get rusty in skills.  Most important, I don't cherish being someone's carnival ride just for the sake of them getting their feet wet (however, I am not beyond reaching out and pointing a sincere novice in the right direction if they appear to be putting forth good efforts.) 




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