Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

RE: If the bottom line is illegality ...


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid >> RE: If the bottom line is illegality ... Page: <<   < prev  1 [2]
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: If the bottom line is illegality ... - 9/7/2006 7:54:21 AM   
juliaoceania


Posts: 21383
Joined: 4/19/2006
From: Somewhere Over the Rainbow
Status: offline
The dangerous thing in my state is that I do not need to press charges or accuse him, someone else could report him, like a doctor or a neighbor. They would arrest him and charge him even if I refused to cooperate, and some DA with a reputation to establish could make a fuss over it to get in the media.. not likely in our specific case, but it is not impossible


< Message edited by juliaoceania -- 9/7/2006 7:55:17 AM >


_____________________________

Once you label me, you negate me ~ Soren Kierkegaard

Reality has a well known Liberal Bias ~ Stephen Colbert

Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people. Eleanor Roosevelt

(in reply to LadyEllen)
Profile   Post #: 21
RE: If the bottom line is illegality ... - 9/7/2006 7:11:29 PM   
juliaoceania


Posts: 21383
Joined: 4/19/2006
From: Somewhere Over the Rainbow
Status: offline
Leave it to you to write a thread that has been on my mind off and on all day, so I am returning to it to post a thing or two...smiles.

First of all you mentioned the Civil Rights Movement and how people recognized that just because it is a law does not mean it is a good one....

I would like to expand on this concept....

In Nazi Germany people disobeyed laws and helped Jews even though they could have been sent to camps themselves and disappeared. We call these people heroes today, the German government saw them as traitors. (White Rose Society is a "must google" for anyone that would like to know more about courageous Germans)

We had slavery in this country and today most people recognize that the institution of slavery was immoral. People took many risks to help slaves escape to freedom. They broke the law to do so. Part of the argument for continuing slavery was that economically speaking it was a way of life for the South. I would say that this was not a good justification to continue the practice.

So I wonder if what I am reading on these threads that are anti-immigration maybe viewed in the future. I see the justification that "these people" hurt us economically, so that means it is ok to deny them medical care, charity with food stamps, and to deny their kids an education because they do not have green cards. I cannot help but wonder if in 50 years some record of threads on the internet such as this one will record the differing voices of our time. Perhaps our grandkids will think us small minded, ignorant barbarians that just didn't know better because "times were different", of course there were a few of us that tried to be humane, but many more were just "products of their time". At least that is the way I hope it plays out.

There was a law proposed in California that passed, but was deemed unconstitutional called Proposition 187, which sought to deny medical care and education to illegals. It scapegoated Mexicans as the root of the problem with our state and since we had someone "out there" to blame, we did not have to look at our own contributions (or lack thereof) to our problems. It reminds me very much of what happened to the Jews as far as scapegoating troubles within our country at the feet of people who do not have much to fight back with.

Corporations will always look  for ways to cut their bottom line with wages, whether they hire an illegal, or they send your tech job to India. It seems rather small minded to scapegoat like this. It is also inhumane to think about not tending to sick people because our government just will not pay for it...

I am hoping that in the future these sorts of issues will be a no-brainer.. someone needs medical care, an education, or a meal... give it to them.. especially if they are a child. I think in the future this will be a basic concept like children should not work in factories and we should not have slaves.. never mind the fact that the shoes we wear were probably made my child slaves... perhaps I am a dreamer.

< Message edited by juliaoceania -- 9/7/2006 7:16:00 PM >


_____________________________

Once you label me, you negate me ~ Soren Kierkegaard

Reality has a well known Liberal Bias ~ Stephen Colbert

Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people. Eleanor Roosevelt

(in reply to Noah)
Profile   Post #: 22
Page:   <<   < prev  1 [2]
All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid >> RE: If the bottom line is illegality ... Page: <<   < prev  1 [2]
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.063