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RE: Bush administration collars maker fetish films - 9/9/2006 3:23:06 PM   
FirmhandKY


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Whip isn't interested in facts.  Just drama.

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RE: Bush administration collars maker fetish films - 9/9/2006 3:29:34 PM   
juliaoceania


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Status: offline 		Well he seems to thrive on it this is true.

I will say this, his religion of tolerance is not very tolerant.

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RE: Bush administration collars maker fetish films - 9/9/2006 3:36:03 PM   
FirmhandKY


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RE: Bush administration collars maker fetish films - 9/9/2006 4:16:38 PM   
juliaoceania


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Status: offline 		Yes WTH, all people can be barbaric if given the right incentive to be, Sri Lanka, have you heard of it?

Your attack on Level really shows who you are and if your response to Level is a show of your religion's "tolerance", it really proves my point. You are really over the top.

< Message edited by juliaoceania -- 9/9/2006 4:17:03 PM >

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RE: Bush administration collars maker fetish films - 9/9/2006 4:17:13 PM   
Level


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whip, there are people in alllllll of those groups you took the time to type out in such big letters for us, that have acted barbaric.
 
Individual versus group. Specifics versus blanket statements.
 
*knocks on whip's head and hears a hollow thud*

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RE: Bush administration collars maker fetish films - 9/9/2006 5:02:32 PM   
MistressWolfen


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WTF Whip has a religious movement now? Why wasn't I informed? Where is the memo? I feel so left out of the loop; I was only aware of his research skills, hostelry capabilities and mastery of quantum physics.

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RE: Bush administration collars maker fetish films - 9/9/2006 5:04:04 PM   
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To be sure there is a distinction between a given institution and one who subscribes to said institutions implicit and explicit value matrix: morality, mores, ethics, etc.

Such institutions are in fact social groups established by consensus in order to promote or discourage certain ideas, behavior patterns, etc., and they are both initiatied and influenced by the individuals who concieve, represent, or embody the principles of the given institution, whether it  be government, science,  religion, etc.

Third, people often behave differently in groups than  as individuals:  institutions typically promote social controls that consist largely of edicts and interdicts - edicts promote certain behaviors and often operate as informal, implicit permissions - it's "all right to act this way", for example discriminate against Jew's, homosexuals, etc., which are often encountered on a more widespread level of common culture, but may be given impetus by the institutions that influence that culture.

If the permissions are broad enough, and defensive centripetalization invoked, the result can be genocide.

i.e., individual Christians may or may not be murderous by nature, but under mob conditions, and centripetalized according to basic primate instinctual responses to threats to group fitness, real or imagined, have been known to act genocidally and/or conspire to unjustly deprive other members of their own or another culture of basic human rights.

The same can be said for a number of other institutions historically - however: once such a precedent has been set, it is only a natural act of self preservation to expect similar behavior under similar conditions from these institutions, or individuals subscribing to these institutions, and their value matricies as permissions for this behavior have been previously explicitly established by said institution, and in most cases, have never been explicitly or formally repealed.

Good enough?
 

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RE: Bush administration collars maker fetish films - 9/9/2006 5:10:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MistressWolfen

*fast reply
WTF Whip has a religious movement now? Why wasn't I informed? Where is the memo? I feel so left out of the loop; I was only aware of his research skills, hostelry capabilities and mastery of quantum physics.


Yes, Wolfen, it's true, he's got God's ear...... and I can only wonder where his Jonestown will be

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RE: Bush administration collars maker fetish films - 9/9/2006 5:12:35 PM   
juliaoceania


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ORIGINAL: Level

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ORIGINAL: MistressWolfen

*fast reply
WTF Whip has a religious movement now? Why wasn't I informed? Where is the memo? I feel so left out of the loop; I was only aware of his research skills, hostelry capabilities and mastery of quantum physics.


Yes, Wolfen, it's true, he's got God's ear...... and I can only wonder where his Jonestown will be


What flavor Kool-Aid will everyone drink?

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RE: Bush administration collars maker fetish films - 9/9/2006 5:14:32 PM   
Level


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quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

quote:

ORIGINAL: Level

quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressWolfen

*fast reply
WTF Whip has a religious movement now? Why wasn't I informed? Where is the memo? I feel so left out of the loop; I was only aware of his research skills, hostelry capabilities and mastery of quantum physics.


Yes, Wolfen, it's true, he's got God's ear...... and I can only wonder where his Jonestown will be


What flavor Kool-Aid will everyone drink?


Looking at his posts, I'm guessing it'll be Sour Grape.

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RE: Bush administration collars maker fetish films - 9/9/2006 5:19:33 PM   
MistressWolfen


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Status: offline 		ooo good heavens, this is just so wrong on so many levels. I really must insist that Whip learn to cite correctly, spell properly and write coherently before being allowed a religion of his very very own.

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RE: Bush administration collars maker fetish films - 9/9/2006 5:26:58 PM   
WhipTheHip


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try to defend Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and the Roman Catholic Church.  If
only other people's anger was reserved for these circumstances what a
utopia the world would be!

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RE: Bush administration collars maker fetish films - 9/9/2006 5:30:07 PM   
NINASHARP


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quote:

ORIGINAL: WhipTheHip

Yep, I am human.  I have emotions.  These emotions come out when people
try to defend Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and the Roman Catholic Church.  If
only other people's anger was reserved for these circumstances what a
utopia the world would be!


You also went off on a tangent considering the subject line of this thread. Hope the Mods move it to its proper place like Polls and Other Random Stupidity.

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RE: Bush administration collars maker fetish films - 9/9/2006 5:44:26 PM   
Amaros


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RE: Bush administration collars maker fetish films - 9/9/2006 5:46:08 PM   
BreakingGlass


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Level

quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

quote:

ORIGINAL: Level

quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressWolfen

*fast reply
WTF Whip has a religious movement now? Why wasn't I informed? Where is the memo? I feel so left out of the loop; I was only aware of his research skills, hostelry capabilities and mastery of quantum physics.


Yes, Wolfen, it's true, he's got God's ear...... and I can only wonder where his Jonestown will be


What flavor Kool-Aid will everyone drink?


Looking at his posts, I'm guessing it'll be Sour Grape.


You got that result off of Blogthings, didn't you?  Didn't you?!

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RE: Bush administration collars maker fetish films - 9/9/2006 5:48:00 PM   
Level


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ORIGINAL: BreakingGlass


What flavor Kool-Aid will everyone drink?


Looking at his posts, I'm guessing it'll be Sour Grape.


You got that result off of Blogthings, didn't you?  Didn't you?!



Hi BG. What's a "Blogthing"??

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RE: Bush administration collars maker fetish films - 9/9/2006 5:55:12 PM   
BreakingGlass


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ORIGINAL: Level

quote:

ORIGINAL: BreakingGlass


What flavor Kool-Aid will everyone drink?


Looking at his posts, I'm guessing it'll be Sour Grape.


You got that result off of Blogthings, didn't you?  Didn't you?!



Hi BG. What's a "Blogthing"??


Ah man, it's just like jazz.  If I have to explain it to you then you'll never get it. 

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RE: Bush administration collars maker fetish films - 9/9/2006 5:56:14 PM   
Lordandmaster


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Status: offline 		I personally prefer none of the above.

Look, I have no objection to the idea that a Christian might consider his religion better than any other.  It's a personal choice, and I don't anticipate that a Christian will say, you know, I really wish I was a Muslim, Islam is so much more appealing than the nonsense I believe.  Christians who feel that way are free to become Muslims.  Sometimes they do.

But what I've noticed, and what makes no sense to me as a rhetorical strategy, is Christians who take the "We're no worse than anyone else" line when confronted with criticisms of Christianity or Christian behavior.  Aside from the fact that it's defensive and defeatist, to me it represents a complete disavowal of everything that, at one time, made Christianity special.  "We're no worse than anyone else" is hardly an inspiring credo.

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

Would you prefer to live in a world that was shaped and formed by the Aztec belief system?  The Muslim belief system? Or the Christian belief system?  Take your pick of belief system.


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RE: Bush administration collars maker fetish films - 9/9/2006 5:58:20 PM   
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Ah man, it's just like jazz.  If I have to explain it to you then you'll never get it. 



*likes a little Miles now and then*

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RE: Bush administration collars maker fetish films - 9/9/2006 6:01:43 PM   
Lordandmaster


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Status: offline 		I really don't agree that all groups are equally barbaric, if that's indeed what Julia meant to say.  Do you really believe that oceanographers as a group are as barbaric as, say, lieutenants of Al Qaeda?

Sure, all groups have the potential to be equally barbaric, but that's not saying much, because all human beings have the potential to be equally barbaric.  In fact, one of the main virtues of religion that we keep hearing about is that it civilizes human beings and keeps them from going anywhere near their potential for evil.

Oh, and Julia, I wasn't calling YOU an apologist.  You know, sometimes you take these forums a little too personally--and then react in kind.  What I said about the particular apologist strategy I was referring to (let's call it the "Hey, the Nazis killed people too" strategy) is something you see and hear everywhere.  It doesn't have anything to do with you.

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She can answer on her own, but I'd guess she meant all groups are barbaric, or have that potential. That's what I took from it.


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