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The Brave New World... - 9/8/2006 11:34:09 AM   
Talldrkgentleman


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In another post someone wrote of my girl the following:

Her behaviors and needs are certainly not those of a stable mature solid adult.

What began as mere play in passion soon revealed a deeper yearning and troubled spirit over the months. Perhaps after many unfulfilled relationships and so many unions destroyed, her inner submissive finally needed to be heard. I was the one to finally listen. She discovered love with me; a love like she had never known, and I found the same learning her and enjoying all her wonders too numerous to list here. Yet as she had done so many times before in her previous liaisons, she tried to destroy us many times over. Her actions were not those of a “stable, mature, and solid adult”

They were the actions of a spoiled princess, a “brat” as it is called here.

Many times she would admit such things about her behavior. Though resolving to change (and dearly wishing to be different), she found and still finds such behavior overcomes her better senses. She feared being overly needy, clingy, dependent, co-dependant, submissive in nature, needing a constant guide, being a brat and a princess, and unable to maintain her life standing upon her own two feet. She flipped from desiring self-reliance to desiring leaning upon another. She fought and fought and fought for so many years the needs she felt she must not need!

She found herself and often still finds herself unstable, immature, and childish.

She yearns for stability in her soul, maturity in her behavior, and though always wishing to remain child-like, she so greatly wishes to be the adult. She is often “the mess” that posters on a previous thread labeled her, and in such a state often wishes to kick over the table rather than work things out one step at a time. She fantasizes of a love beyond love; a love only a child dreams. She dreams of perfection and everyday her life falls short of such perfection, she spirals to the terror that all is wrong in the world. She always wants more and it is never enough. She is often lost.

Now, she desires change and with change comes anxiety, uncertainty, danger, and fear. She is so brave, as brave as all those who wish to leap from their pasts to a new future. She has come so far in such a short time. No longer does she see the evil of her kink. No longer does she seek to explore such things outside of love. No longer does she wish to be the one who destroys relationships with the “normal” and seeks with me the special relationship of D/s.

I am new to this life and have made many mistakes with her. From this site and others I have begun to guide her in my ignorant way. It has been a long process lasting so far a year and hopefully a lifetime. I have tried to show her she is not alone and to contact others who feel the same. I have tried to show her that she can live with her two selves (the submissive and the woman) and that they can be one and the same without conflict. I have tried to show her such things can be explored in the light of love. I have tried to show her the teachings of others.

Together we have found her long wished passions and in doing so found passions I never knew existed. We have moved from mere play to new way of life for the two of us; a life of Mentor and pupil, of Daddy and child, of Master and slave, of friendship and understanding far beyond the realm of our previous world.

Now business has pulled us apart and we strive and brainstorm ideas to bring us back together. It is a difficult thing to become so close then be pulled apart. She relies on my caresses, love, understanding, and leadership; I now yearn to be the guide and lover she has always desired. She worries about being alone. I worry about leaving her alone. She becomes “the mess” once again. I make my usual “Un-Domlike” mistakes.

Yet we both try with our hearts, minds, and resources to overcome not only the distance, not only the problems facing our lives (there are many), but yearn to finally find the path that will make our lives together complete; to find the manner in which D/s applies to our unique selves.

I guess I wish to show her how others struggled with the newness of coming to grips with their submission (and dominance) and how their behavior and lives have changed. Hearing the familiar tales of others who may have had such troubles soothes her troubled soul and makes her feel not alone in this world and less alien than she has always believed. Hearing such tales relieves the worries that plague me that I am not nearly enough, and that my mistakes are not unique. Though it sometimes is wonderful to feel we are uniquely special, it is nice to feel you are not alone.

Perhaps there are others who wish to relate such tales so my life’s love and I will read and understand we are not so alone, and that these needs and desires are not only unique to us, but that through diligence and love, have hope that all can turn out glorious in the end.

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RE: The Brave New World... - 9/8/2006 11:38:15 AM   
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What a lovely thread.......Good luck, Peace and well wishes on Your continued journey.

I think we all have struggles at one time or another.....it's how we learn and better appreciate things......


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RE: The Brave New World... - 9/8/2006 11:51:14 AM   
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Within two years, usually one of two things happens:

1)  They get a wake up call and start shaping up

2) They stop calling themselves a submissive

A less common option is that they continue to call themselves a submissive but are constantly dysfunctional and unfulfilled.

I tend to focus on the cognitive/behavior aspects of things.  Where do her feelings and thoughts come from?  What insecurities are there?  Why are they there?  What patterns of thought need to be broken?  How does she act out?  What instigates them?  What does she feel before and after?  What behaviors does she resort to?

Once you’ve got her mapped out, you can work on breaking down the dysfunctional habits and cycles and being more secure.  Affirmations, rituals, tasks, goals, using yourself as an example to be followed, clear consequences and constant decompression of what’s going on are all good methods.

As well, you must establish limits on time and attention.  The neediness must be controlled above all.  Limits on phone calls, limits on lengths of emails, and limits on visit times will force her to focus, appreciate and not waste time on manipulative games. 

Above all, she must WANT to have this change and must be willing to work hard to get it.  Otherwise, it’s pointless.

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RE: The Brave New World... - 9/8/2006 12:32:04 PM   
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Even for someone long in this lifestyle there are occasional struggles, if you wish have her write me on the other side.

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RE: The Brave New World... - 9/8/2006 1:02:19 PM   
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There's no substitute for learning about yourself. The book "Sacred Contracts" might be useful for the two of you. It talks about Archetypes and helps you identify which ones have meaning for you. It's help me look at myself a GREAT deal.

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RE: The Brave New World... - 9/8/2006 1:08:07 PM   
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Along with the sunshine... there's gonna be a little rain sometimes.  It's really just way too easy to become embroiled in the opinions of others and lose track of yourself within your own relationship. Everybody who is human makes mistakes. Unfortunately professing them often brings out hoardes of perfect people giving their illusion. 

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RE: The Brave New World... - 9/8/2006 1:41:09 PM   
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::reposted from the Struggles thread::

"Have you ever felt tormented? Why?"


Tormented, sad, angry, confused, hopeless, yes, all of that and more. Why? Because this shit just ain't normal. Most people don't have cravings for pain that drive them batty if they aren't beaten. Most people don't have an intense need for humiliation, objectification, damnation .. and most people want to be like most other people so they fit in. It took a long time to figure out that I wasn't like most people and a whole lot longer to figure out that it was OK that I wasn't like most other people, but it was work to figure it out. Self-reflection, acceptance .. letting go of baggage including  being bombarded practically from birth by the media, family and friends with what is 'right and proper' for a young lady to think, feel and do. There are expectations of how ones life should go, how it should be lived and major disappointment in self and the disappointment of those around you when those expectations aren't realized.


Sick shit, yanno? You ask yourself over and over again.. why am I the way I am? Now, of course, you can turn on the tv and see Marge telling Homer that tonight's safeword is banana, and that may elicit a blush and a nervous giggle from the masses.  Didn't use to be that way though. You question yourself simply knowing that you are the only one in the world who is a freak and you don't yet have the life skills or experience to say fuck the world. I learned though. To accept my proclivities, to embrace who and what I am and after that, low and behold, no more torment.. at least none that wasn't consensual with an accommodating sadist. ::chuckles::


It's a process, one which has been made easier these days, but until you find out the truth, that it's all OK, that you are not alone in what you think and feel, in how you want your life to go, how you behave and what you do, it can be a torment, a torture of your soul.


Struggles.. perfect title for the thread. I struggled and for a really long time .. but I'm over all that now and fuck the world slips fairly easily out of my lips because it doesn't matter anymore. When I figured out I didn't need permission to be myself nor the acceptance of the masses to do what I do .. when I was able to go beyond that and embrace who and what I am, I actually started to like me. So, it's all good now and, so far, it's been a hell of a ride. Besides, normal ain't all it's cracked up to be. ;)

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RE: The Brave New World... - 9/8/2006 2:05:47 PM   
Talldrkgentleman


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quote:

ORIGINAL: NastyDaddy

Along with the sunshine... there's gonna be a little rain sometimes.  It's really just way too easy to become embroiled in the opinions of others and lose track of yourself within your own relationship. Everybody who is human makes mistakes. Unfortunately professing them often brings out hoardes of perfect people giving their illusion. 


It wasn't the opinions I sought (though I'm glad to hear them), just the experiences. I have found that hearing of other's struggles and experiences not only makes me breathe a sigh of relief to know I am not alone, but that my love is calmed that there are others who have shared such ordeals. Hearing of others is the single best tool I have found in calming her often turbulent soul.

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RE: The Brave New World... - 9/8/2006 4:12:14 PM   
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I understand what you said, how you started out in a small vein of self-defeatist history and the current desire to stop the torment of a vicious cycle of need to fight what you feel you must not need.... further that both of you being new to D/s and even further that you both have a special love never before felt by either.... and that in all these experiences and new awareness exists a void... a void you wish to fill with positive experiences..... both your own and in the sharing of similar experiences of others, I got all that.

My response was general and somewhat philosophical because my personal list of mistakes is long... too long to list here, especially when supplemented with the experiences of D/s or M/s partners along the way. I've met up with some real doosies, and been a real doosie myself plenty of times... especially with a equally determined doosie. It's not easy acheiving perfection and I'm still working on it.

The message board is full of threads along the same lines, of bad behavior and it's results on relationships, along with special love felt between D/s, M/s pairings, along with others "finding" themselves and inner peace, freedom from demons via D/s or M/s, along the lines of many if not all of both your concerns as newer lifestyle practitioners.

In your circumstances of physical separation I can see it could be convenient to have a common reference point of testimonials... or "icing" for the D/s cake, but in reality the icing is already here... just not in the same location. In this thread you will surely get responses of opinions, generalizations, philosophy and a few testimonials from those who's circumstances are/were similar to your's.  But don't settle for simply that... a mere spoonful, when there's actually a lot more of what you both seek right here, and has been all along... with yet more coming every day.    

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