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Making a first impression - 9/8/2006 12:35:14 PM   
GoddessDustyGold


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First things first:
This is not a rant!  I am not upset, but I feel it is more than overdue to post something in the hopes that some boys, even though they may not post, might read and learn.
I am not in this forum much, but I felt this to be the most appropriate place to post this for educational purposes.

And I do apologize if this has been hashed out before, but I often see this addressed from a different angle..i.e., a complaint or a whine in the "Ask A Mistress" forum.
So for educational purposes only! And sorry for the length, but I do have a tendency to be hypergraphic.
 
Here is a typical email, of which I receive several each day.  It is paraphrased as a good example. I will not quote directly as that is against the TOS, but I hope you get the drift. 
I also do not include the typical typos and lack of punctuation I normally have to wade through.

Hi Mistress,
This is <insert a name or a screen ID here> ,<insert an age here>,from <insert any geographic location that is not even in My state or country here>.
I Would love to serve you.
I am willing to relocate.
Please consider me
Thank you

 
Boys, boys, boys!  We often see complaints and whines on the "Ask A Mistress" board from you concerning unrealistic expectations, lack of replies to "carefully thought out emails", or the constant "Why can't I find a Mistress?" topics.
What would you have Me do with something like this?  I have taken the time, as have many other Ladies, to be more than generous in the information I give about Myself, about My expectations, and quite literally, the exact information I want to see in a letter of introduction.  I am one who makes clear that I do not wish to be addressed as "Mistress" since I am not yet your Mistress, and I give you other options.   I ask for specific information, which may take a little work on your part, but if you are unwilling to make that effort, then how much effort will you put into serving Me?  In fact, what does that broad term, "serve" mean?  It can mean anything from "here's my fanny, please spank", to I want to see your pleasure when the house is sparkling clean and I have just prepared your favorite meal".  Hint:  The latter is, of course, the preferred attitude. 
I actually had an email a couple of days ago in which the boy asked Me if I would ever be in his area of the country.  I am talking close to 3,000 miles away.  This was followed up by a paragraph about 20+ years of searching with no success, which was then followed up with the typical (paraphrased of course, but such a good example of the type of offers I receive so often)  "I would love for you to place me in a slave hood and collar placing me in heavy restraints and forcing me to suck your strap-on prior to gagging me and taking me roughly from behind making me your bitch...Just one of the many things I enjoy" followed by the standard disclaimer of "... But first and foremost I believe a D/s relationship isn`t about what I enjoy but about my serving and obeying your every command, wish and desire without question, while accepting all punishments, humiliations and degradations placed upon me without question. I should only thank you for allowing me the honor of being allowed to serve honor and and obey you while in your service." I truly don't want to burst out laughing, and I certainly don't want to gag, but honestly boys!  Is this what you think we want to hear?  It must be, because I get versions of the same thing every single day.  If they haven't written in it an email to Me, chances are good, unfortunately, that they have something similar written in their profile.  "I am into"..." followed by that tired disclaimer.
Oh yes, and I often have it signed as "your hopeful slave" usually with no name or anything to use as a form of address if I would choose to respond.  And please don't tell Me that you wrote this while on your knees.  It doesn't impress Me, and if true, I find it absolutely ridiculous.
hmmmmmm.... I often see this similar attitude in the sub boys profiles that I see.  I do look at a profile the moment I get an email, and before I read that email.  So a big faux pas would be to copy and paste your profile rather than put some thought into writing a personal letter.  Frankly, your profile, even if a good one, is a general info thing, as it should be and, therefore, it cannot be that personal.  
So, how are we to address these sorts of things?  I am at a loss.  I don't honestly know if it is worth My time to answer these emails in the hope that a boy will learn something.  Often I force Myself to ignore it and move on to the next disappointing missive.
There have been three boys, out of hundreds and hundreds of supposed petitions since I re-opened My search in April (so that would be a little over 5 months), who have bothered to follow instructions and write a nice letter of introduction.  One is in My collar, one is a local boy who is busy researching a new venue for our monthly FemDom munches, and the third was very nice, but quite set on a different lifestyle as to his preferred service.  I respect that but knew that I would not be able to make him happy.


So here is My typical reply:  ( I often give in to a need to educate or be helpful and polite, as oppposed to just ignoring such nonsense as I state I will do in My profile...that is My bad! *Smile*)
 
Dear <whatever name might be available>,
Thank you for your interest.
On what basis would you like Me to consider you?  Your profile is blank (or very brief, whatever the case may be), and it is painfully obvious that you did not bother to read My profile.
I only take the time to write this in the hope that you may learn something and have success in your future endeavors.
You did not address any of the information I specifically request as a guideline for a proper letter of introduction and petition for service to Me.  Therefore I must assume that either:

 
A:  You do not feel it is necessary to extend the courtesy of showing your serious intent and interest in Me as an individual who also happens to be a FemDom
 
or
 
B:  You do not feel it is important enough to be bothered.
 
In either case, you would not be able to serve Me in the manner I would wish.
Best of luck...
DustyGold
 
To something like this I either receive no response ( not surprising) or a nasty comeback.  I am not trying to be nasty when I write.  But, that is the crux of it!  *Sigh*
Please look and learn.  Your initial letter is important.  If you feel you do not want to waste time until you can tell if you think this is viable for you, then you probably shouldn't be writing in the first place.  Read the profiles.  Take some time.  This is, whether you want to realize it or not, a first test or a first benchmark.  If you fail, it is awfully hard to get your foot back in the door.
The letter I paraphrased above is obviously a copy and paste that goes out to anyone who strikes his fancy.  There was nothing personal about it, and yet the boy claims, in his letter, that he "would love to serve" Me.  I don't think so.
Stop and think.
We are not unrealistic.  We are FemDoms who have a great deal of respect for ourselves.  If you cannot impart your desire to serve in the manner we lay out for you, or you try to take a shortcut, or think profile requests do not apply to you, you will never make any progress.
Take some time to figure out who you are and what you want.  Be honest, but don't assume that because the user ID says Female Dominant it means you can play a numbers game. If you are serious about this as a lifestyle, educate yourself, and use discimination in who you write to and what you say in your letter. One of the questions I ask boys who come to My munch is "What do you mean by 'serve'? "  Most of them cannot answer the question.  I am not trying to put them on the spot.  I am trying to make them think. 
You really do only have one chance to make a good first impression.  If you are using the internet as part ( I do hope only part!) of your search for a Mistress, you are working in text.  Just as I would not expect you to show up at a munch unshaven and with a slouchy posture and attitude, so I expect your letters to reflect the same pride and effort.  Remember that it is up to you to make that first impression count. 


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RE: Making a first impression - 9/8/2006 1:00:05 PM   
NastyDaddy


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Do you really expect subs to get that personal and make that great of an impression to your preferences when they have so many other FemDoms to send their same message to?

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RE: Making a first impression - 9/8/2006 1:47:07 PM   
GoddessDustyGold


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quote:

ORIGINAL: NastyDaddy

Do you really expect subs to get that personal and make that great of an impression to your preferences when they have so many other FemDoms to send their same message to?


Silly Me!  *Smile*

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RE: Making a first impression - 9/8/2006 2:59:12 PM   
AAkasha


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quote:

ORIGINAL: NastyDaddy

Do you really expect subs to get that personal and make that great of an impression to your preferences when they have so many other FemDoms to send their same message to?


Funny...but true.
An interesting marketing tidbit.  The reason most companies fail to get recognized by high profile media is that they don't know how to approach a journalist.  The companies have an assembly line public relations person or a hired agency send out massive numbers of press releases that go unread. Journalists won't take their phone calls.  A good media relations person knows that out of the gate they have to deal with someone who does not trust them, expects them to waste time and maybe -- MAYBE -- will give them 15 seconds to make an impression.

Yet, good media relations people still manage to find a way to get their clients and companies positive press in mainstream media. They follow some pretty simple tactics that would work well for subs, who are also trying to reach a generally frustrated small group who are constantly bombarded by people that sour them to being approached.

1. Know your audience.  Don't pitch a publication you haven't read.  Don't pitch a publication without having a clear understanding of why your story is important to their readers.

2. Don't allow your message to get lost in clutter - that means pay attention to grammar, presentation and style.

3. It helps tremendously if you can show immediately that you have knowlege of the journalist you're approaching by referencing their previous work (this is the same as scoring good points for not only actually reading a femdom's profile before contacting them, but reading their posts on the message board and having a frame of reference).

4. Don't be presumptous and pushy.  Build trust.  Don't promise on what you cannot deliver.

If you think femdoms are impatient or do not give the benefit of the doubt, talk to a few editors from high profile outlets.  Many of never read a single news release. Or, if they do, they read them over the trash can and give each one two lines before dropping it if it doesn't seem relevant. They get so much crap that is basically clueless and from people that haven't read their columns that they rarely trust anyone.

Cutting through the clutter is key; know your audience and know how to demonstrate that.  Most importantly, don't try to pretend you have what they want -- prove it.

Akasha


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RE: Making a first impression - 9/8/2006 8:00:38 PM   
littlesarbonn


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I feel your pain, really. Unfortunately, I've given advice to submissives for so long now about better ways of contacting a potential dominant that I've pretty much given up on the rest of them. The same things keep happening over and over, and it's like background noise these days. The submissives who are legit and know how to contact someone are rarer and rarer mainly because once they're successful, they end up out of the search pool. That just leaves more and more of these types of wannabes left over.

It sucks, but I'm not one of them, so I've decided to stop apologizing for them, even though my status as a submissive male automatically has most women expect I'm probably one of them.

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RE: Making a first impression - 9/9/2006 1:35:17 PM   
istym


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GoddessDustyGold... I found it very interesting to read your perspective on this issue, as it is something I have been struggling with, or more properly, finding an increasing curiosity about.  First, I'll admit that "online" is essentially my sole method of looking for someone (ok, my bad :)).  I live a bit out of a metro area, don't really get into a bar scene, and don't know of many venues locally that might be a gathering point with more than just drinking and smoking -- e.g. eats, entertainment and an environment conducive to communicating moreso than gyrating.  So, realistically, I know I may have quite a challenge... but I do not expect instant success, either.  Asides aside, if you might indulge me for a moment --

I am curious about your ideas and experience on a couple particulars:
  • How many messages do you receive in a month? (might you have a more precise count than hundreds?)
  • How many are worth your time?  (content, quality, genuine, etc. -- was it really just three?  If so, yikes!)
  • What might lead you to feel a message was worth reading in its entirety? (I have an idea, but thought it worth asking)
  • What, in a message of moderate length, depth and appropriate respect, might cause you to not respond?


I am guessing the last one may not apply to you, personally, because you strike me as an exceedingly fair, generous, patient and impressive person who likely would respond to more messages than not.

My experience -- I have written probably over 400-500+ introductory messages in the past few years (on various sites - mostly vanilla).  I have received responses from approximately 15-20 of these, and effectively no success.  I believe I sometimes aspire outside my range, if you will, but because image isn't everything, I do not let an incredible picture preclude me from responding.  Generally, I try to get a sense of what a woman is looking for, and address it appropriately in my messages.  I have, at times, tried shorter messages, longer messages, direct, indirect, personal, less personal, generic and everything inbetween.  I have only had one negative response, maybe five or so that resulted in either extended communication or an eventual meeting, and precisely one that resulted in a relationship.

I'm no idiot, and I don't believe myself to be terribly ugly or anything like that -- I am just wondering what I might tune, in a general sense, about my profile, if you happen to peruse that, or in my message writing, that could make an impression on someone.  On CM specifically, I've written to each Domme within my area and age range who I guessed might see potential in me (and vice-versa), and have heard back from precisely zero.  Granted, in MN, there is quite a small representation of female Dominants on CM, but again -- at least some response would be appreciated.

In the interest of full disclosure, my current profile/id is newer -- decided to re-establish after finding that my old id was coming up way too high in google searches for my comfort (professionalism, privacy and all that good stuff) - and CM won't allow a change.

Any further guidance or opinion you might have to share would be wonderful.

boi

(ed: this was in response to the OP, I guess I clicked on the wrong dealie)

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RE: Making a first impression - 9/9/2006 7:21:26 PM   
GoddessDustyGold


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Welcome to the boards boi,
 
The first thing I would address, and this is strictly a personal pet peeve, is the use of the term boi.
Boi is ( or used to be!) a term used to indicate a female lesbian who tends toward the masculine.  I see it used constantly now as a cute way to indicate a boy who is a "boi" ( a boy in this lifestyle), and I admit it kind of bothers Me.  *Smile*  To each his own, and it probably isn't that important...it is just one of those little things!
Regarding your profile, I think it is reasonable, and some say they hate emoticons (I do also) but the way you used them was clever and humorous.
You say you have written to local Ladies who you thought might be of interest to you and you to them.  Yet no responses.  I can't reply to that, since I don't know what you wrote to them.  Offhand, I don't know if any of them participate on these boards.  As much as I would like to say that the Ladies are all good to go, and the boys are all playing games, it isn't so, and you do have to pick and choose and then hope for the best.  You can see if your emails have been opened, so that is a plus for this site's email program. By the same token, the consistent Ladies who do post on these boards are very conscientious, and so I address this area with regards to emailing since we do receive so many complaints/whines about "no responses" or "can't find a Domme" topics.  All we can say is "boys, you are preaching to the choir, so why would you get all bent out of shape and have a temper tantrum and alienate a possible relationship?"
Which brings Me to your admission of limiting your search to online.  I don't know where Jordan, Mn is located in that state, but I would recommend that you make the extra effort to find local munches.  Even if it means you need to drive a bit.  Google bdsm mucnhes along with your city and state and you should get some info.  There is at least on submissive gal, Bitatruble, who is in that state and I am willing to bet she knows where the local action is.  You might try writing to some others in your area.  Note that there is a navigation bar in the grouping by each individual profile.  I would recommend that you click on the "View forum posts" bar, and see if anyone, doesn't matter what the orientation is, posts on these forums.  That could help you to get in contact with some Minnesotans who are active in the scene or at least active online and participating in discussions. You can always get together, psosibly, and venture forth into the the real world!
As to your photo, again this is a very personal preference, but I would be be more inclined to view you favorably if you had eyes up, a smile, and wearing something nice.  I am not one for the downcast eyes and naked upper body.  I would suggest that you save that for an additional picture behind your main photo.  But others, I am sure, would not mind your photo at all.
 
quote:

ORIGINAL: istym

I am curious about your ideas and experience on a couple particulars:

  • How many messages do you receive in a month? (might you have a more precise count than hundreds?)
  • How many are worth your time?  (content, quality, genuine, etc. -- was it really just three?  If so, yikes!)
  • What might lead you to feel a message was worth reading in its entirety? (I have an idea, but thought it worth asking)
  • What, in a message of moderate length, depth and appropriate respect, might cause you to not respond?


boi


 
Now, on to your questions.
 
1.  I do receive approximately 50 - 75 emails per month.  These are new emails.  This is down a bit from when I first re-opened My search in April.  I never deactivated My profile, so I cannot say it was because I came up as a new profile.  I just created the new text to indicate I was looking again and that was picked up by the seekers, I suppose. Prior to that, when I said I wasn't looking, I had less, but, frankly, not a whole lot less.
I do not delete emails.  Therefore everything that is 90 days or less old, remains on file here.  The site drops My older mail each day as it hits the limit of 90 days.  I have 16 pages of email that is 90 days or less old.  At 20 per page, that is 320 mails in the last 90 days.  In the first 30 days I had more, now I get less.  So I can easily guesstimate the amount of mail I receive. Of those, probably about 30 or less are personal emails from friends regardiong other things, so you can deduct those.
Much of it is one line or a little more.  As I indicated in My  OP, I have truly given two very good examples of the typical email I receive.  I receive chat ID's, although I state cearly that I do not chat.  I get chat requests on this site every single day, which I consistently decline.  I receive phone numbers.  I get offers to fly in to see Me for a session which is described in full as to the boy's fantasy, and I get offers to fly Me to them for a session, again with the full description of what they expect in the way of fun and games.  I get a lot of "your photos are stunning", or Hi Lady, u r hot!", or "seeking slender female to dominate me", or Please see my profile and I hope you write back to me" (and when I go to the profile there is little to nothing there!).  I get photos of cocks, boys dressed up in their favorite french maid's outfit, questions regarding if I would tatto them, or brand them, or use them as a toilet.  If you could get a look at My inbox, I think you would get an idea pretty quickly how lame it all is.
Yet these boys complain and complain that no one wants them. 
Hence the reason for My OP.  If a few read and figure some things out then perhaps I have accomplished something in some small way.  I am sure this will not solve everything, but I am of the firm belief that there are boys out there who simply has no social skills, do not know how important writing a decent letter is, and then get discouraged or angry and bitter.
It never fails to amaze Me how many boys only think they want a D/s or M/s relationship.  It all sounds very romantic in their fantasy world, but when the rubber hits the road, it is a different story.  They want to submit in the bedroom and roleplay (as in playing a role, since this is not who they really are at their core) when it is fun, but to really submit or to be owned in a Mistress/salve relationship entails much more than some play and doing the dishes naked once in a while.  I believe that many boys never really think it through.  They imagine being naked and caged, being whipped, being humilated and performing in front of "Mistress's" friends, but they never think about the daily grind.  Which is why so many boys are referred to Pros.  They get angry about that, but they don't stop to think that they are (perhaps inadvertently) objectifying the Dominas.  We all need to be wearing Leather 24/7, we never get sick, we never have to eat, or work, or have children to tend to (or grandchildren in My case!).  We just loll around all day being beautiful, while some little elves somewhere go out and earn the paycheck, pay the bills, and wash our clothes.
A slave (or a submissive), especially if one thinks he is seeking 24/7 is there to make the lady's life easier.  It doesn't mean you do not work in tandem, but the deference to Her authority is always there, and most boys never get that.  If this is what a boy does not want, by all means, that is fine!  But I do get tired of all the boys who try to impose their fantasy on Me.  I am supposed to want what they want, because what they want is what is reasonable  them.  Therefore it must be okay to force Me to accept their ideas for the relationship, or else they throw a tantrum and I am not real...I am unreasonable.  Yadda, yadda, yadda...
Yes, I honestly will tell you that, with the time I spent writing My profile and outlining exactly what I want to see in a sincere letter of introduction and petition, I have received exactly three that botherered to make the effort. I have had a few others who said they are very impressed and that they are following up with the required letter, and I never received anything. 
What I don't respond to?  I shouldn't respond to anything that doesn't follow My instructions, at least most of the way.  However, much to My jonathan's dismay, I often do, if I feel there is an inkling of possiblity or an opportunity to educate.  I do not respond to anything outstandingly vulgar, any one liners that simply say, "I would love to get to know you better" (he is in, for example, Oregon, while I am in Az...hmmmm), or just "Hi", or "how are you" or I would really love to serve you", or "I can relocate immediately and I want to be your slave"...Oh, yes, I am giving you very typical garbage that I receive. I also get more wordy missives which inlcude the example I gave on the second letter above.  Some of these are obvious copy and pastes, with their fantasies and then the disclaimer, like I mentioned.  They are several paragraphs in length, and they don't even begin to approach the information I request which could probably be covered, with some care, in 12 to 15 sentences!  I have defintie parameters also regarding age, marital status and geogreaphic location with relocatability important.  I receive amil eveyr week (in fact, eveyr day) from overseas, from boys in their 20's, for business men in their 30's who are probably married but tell me that they would love to see Me on a regular basis when they come My way on byusiness...you get the idea.  I ahve young boys in other countries who beg Me to allow them to serve Meo n cam.  I am simply not interested.  it does nothing for Me and serves Me in no way. 
Bottom line (no pun intended) for Me, is that of a boy does not feel it is important to read and respect My profile instructions, then they are unlikely to ever be able to sreve Me in the manner I require.  Therefore why bother?
Yet I do...*Smile*  As I posted above..."Silly Me!"
 
*Edited quickly for the typos I can see, but please do not hold My headache and My dylsexic fingers against Me!

 

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RE: Making a first impression - 9/10/2006 9:47:56 AM   
istym


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GoddessDustyGold,

Thank you for your extensive answer, and patience in doing so.  It is also helpful to receive some critique on my profile, as my closest friends are somewhat close to truly give it a fresh look.  I was not aware of the history of the term "boi"; the usage in my case came about with my most recent love, who continues now as a dear friend.

Onwards... there is a lot of preaching to the choir that happens in the message boards here -- someone who will take the time to read and write is likely to be more conscientious as you point out.  This is a valuable forum for just that reason -- getting opinions and experience from people who have them to offer, and are kind enough to do so.

Munches -- yes, it has been about eight years since I went to one, and after this time of searching online, it is looking like I should get involved again to see how things have changed.  I am much clearer on my position and needs, and more confident, so that may translate to a more rewarding experience.  Also, I believe the increase in sharing on the internet has likely created a larger number of interested, and in some cases, informed, participants.  In reading another thread last night, I did pick up on the picture question and have since added a couple stand-ups prior to the more submissive one.  It's rather silly that I have not done more pictures of myself -- as a photographer I certainly have the equipment and ability -- it will just take a little retooling of mind to pose myself instead of another :)  Not sure if I have someone to do them with me, though I know it would be beneficial to have that extra set of eyes and opinions.

Seeing your mail experience is another good reason to expand offline -- it's disheartening to see how much comes with so little meaning -- I know a lot of people still feel the 'net is a playplace not to be taken seriously.  Everyone really needs to slow down and not drink the juice of instant gratification -- there is so much more to be enjoyed and learned if you take a bit of time and actually think, ponder, inquire and absorb.

Oh, regarding my sent messages -- I have never sent a one-liner on CM... and, rather than focusing on specific activities, I try instead to describe myself, my thoughts in general on D/s or bdsm, and other aspects of the relationship I seek.  The profile parameters offer plenty of specifics, while a message should be offered as an introduction to the person and personality.

On other sites, even in my shorter messages, I convey a sense of who I am, personalize with what I see in their profile, and request a reply.  Again, these are not limited to CM, and on non-aware sites I do tune my content accordingly.  Every once in a while, I experiment with shorter messages on more vanilla sites just to see if that variety can elicit a response (answer is no).

Certianly, there are so many factors in the reality of a D/s or M/s relationship that are really unknown until experienced.  I have been there only in brief glimpses unfortunately, but have discussed it extensively with close friends and myself... who says talking to yourself can't be enjoyable?  :)  I know this may give the impression that I am somewhat unsure or inexperienced; in actuality, though I do have considerable experience I will always remain open and deferential to further learning.  You have given me some further vision into another part of this massive equation, and I thank you once again :)

Chris

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RE: Making a first impression - 9/11/2006 12:47:52 PM   
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Dear Chris,

Well, I absolutely love your new photo! 
You express yourself very well, and you seem to be in a good headspace to be seeking.  I often find that many really don;'t have a good inkling of what it is will make them happy, and I think you have evolved enough to know which direction you should be taking.
I wish you all the best, and I encourage you to continue to read and participate on these boards (We see so few boys writing!), as it will get you noticed.  Think about how relocatable you might be, and do check to see who else is in your general area that might be able to hook you up with the munches and events.  You can also check for local yahoo groups, as they sometimes have information regarding munches, etc.
I am sure you will find what you seek.  Just be patient and be safe!

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