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doodle64 -> altered state? trance? Kundalini? (9/10/2006 1:51:32 AM)

A few years ago a friend of mine was doing some energy work on me - i was on my back, and concentrating on my breathing, and kind of meditating while she worked on me using tragar, humming, reiki and massage- after awhile, my hands started to go numb, then my lips, then even my feet.  As this was progressing, my hands started to curl in on themselves, and of their OWN accord, they moved from beside my body to my chest.  i was so scared by this, that i sat up and opened my eyes, and stopped the session.  It took a few minutes before i was able to uncurl my fingers, and the numbness all went away quite quickly.
      Last night my Mistress had me tied to a table and was doing some sensation play, and the very same thing happened, only this time i did not fight it.  i told Mistress what was happening.  i think that if Ma'am had not stopped the play session, the numbness and - ?- involuntary body change would have continued to progress.  i could feel my torso also starting to go numb, as well as my knees...  At one point She asked me a question, and my face was so numb that She said i sounded like i was intoxicated when i spoke.  i was fully conscious of what was going on, and did not feel sick or dizzy or anything like i was going to pass out.
   Has anyone had this type of experience?  i am a little concerned that it may be dangerous, but also curious to see where it leads.  Perhaps it is a type of subspace?  




Wolfie648 -> RE: altered state? trance? Kundalini? (9/10/2006 2:15:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: doodle64

A few years ago a friend of mine was doing some energy work on me - i was on my back, and concentrating on my breathing, and kind of meditating while she worked on me using tragar, humming, reiki and massage- after awhile, my hands started to go numb, then my lips, then even my feet.  As this was progressing, my hands started to curl in on themselves, and of their OWN accord, they moved from beside my body to my chest.  i was so scared by this, that i sat up and opened my eyes, and stopped the session.  It took a few minutes before i was able to uncurl my fingers, and the numbness all went away quite quickly.
     Last night my Mistress had me tied to a table and was doing some sensation play, and the very same thing happened, only this time i did not fight it.  i told Mistress what was happening.  i think that if Ma'am had not stopped the play session, the numbness and - ?- involuntary body change would have continued to progress.  i could feel my torso also starting to go numb, as well as my knees...  At one point She asked me a question, and my face was so numb that She said i sounded like i was intoxicated when i spoke.  i was fully conscious of what was going on, and did not feel sick or dizzy or anything like i was going to pass out.
  Has anyone had this type of experience?  i am a little concerned that it may be dangerous, but also curious to see where it leads.  Perhaps it is a type of subspace?  


I can't comment on your experience other with my own.

I went to a 1 week spa with my x.  Traditional massage left me hurting an' ticked off at the practictioner. Reiki  (no touch - in case there was any doubt) left me running around like a child (i.e. FULL past bursting of energy). Keep your eyes open for the ones that can do. The rest teach? Heh. Eh nm.

D (owner of j).




Kedicat -> RE: altered state? trance? Kundalini? (9/10/2006 3:00:37 AM)

I used a deep relaxation technique based upon concentration on breathing to a point where you went autonomous into it.
It was great for a time. Put me into deep relaxation and then into sleep.
One time I seemed to go to a very different place. I was in blackness that had a substance and flow. Cold and flowing and carrying me along. It had force to it, a feeling like being under cool water in a current that was carrying you along.

It freaked me out. I came out of it with effort. I have never tried it again.




MisPandora -> RE: altered state? trance? Kundalini? (9/10/2006 5:05:19 AM)

I do alot of energy work.  I think you're connecting with another's energy, but there's something awry.  (Perhaps it's the sender, but I can't be for certain.)  The cold limbs/contracture is something odd in my mind.  One of the first things that goes wrong in alot of bodywork, as well as BDSM play is misplaced breathing (forgetting to breathe, becoming hypercapnic, etc)  I'd say try working on some deep breathing and focused breathing exercises, then try to repeat the experience to see if that alters the outcome.  Good luck.




topcat -> RE: altered state? trance? Kundalini? (9/10/2006 5:16:13 AM)

Roofies? GHB?




MisPandora -> RE: altered state? trance? Kundalini? (9/10/2006 6:28:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: topcat

Roofies? GHB?

Note to fellow users: Orange juice hurts like hell when it's reverse booted up your nose.  (And no, I wasn't snorting it!)




MistressTheaZ -> RE: altered state? trance? Kundalini? (9/10/2006 9:02:10 AM)

OP, I regularly practice within energy healing, (reiki and pranic), but your question here leaves Me with a few more...

This is not an unusual phenomena, but there are a few possibilities, IMO. Note the following is based on My own experiences and opinions.

First, let Me ask you:

-when the numbness was spreading through your body, where did it begin?
-was the feeling heat, coolness, or nothing distinguishable?
-when you spoke, were you aware of speaking, or were these just expressed vocalizations (not conscious words)?
-'coming down' from this, how did you feel?
-with the most recent experience of this, did you begin with meditation or go to this at some time within the experience? Or did the feelings just begin on their own?

I've had something like this happen Myself within deep meditation, and for Me, it has to do with the transcendence from the physical, the waking self to a higher astral plane. For Me, it is part of journeying. It isn't a place I visit too often; in fact, only in times when I have needed to give heavy-duty attunements or ascend to be able to channel or vision quest do I attempt it.

It can feel, when the energy is coursing through you and being raised from within, that there is a spreading stiffness, your limbs and movements unable to be controlled, speech or sounds that you may or may not be aware you are emitting, so on. Should one be concentrating to raise and run kundalini, this can feel like a heat, spreading through the body. Hands and feet are particularly affected. When spreading through the torso - from the solar plexus chakra to the heart chakra - it can almost feel like one's breath is being literally pushed out, the heart beating fast, and a few tears rolling down your face isn't unusual. It can feel that one is almost being pulled from your physical body, slipping out of it, or some strange feeling of being carried along or moved, though the physical body stays motionless...and it can be terribly frightening when it happens. I know there have been times, usually lying on My side, that I have gasped for breath and felt My entire body begin to go completely stiff. I can't really move or speak when that happens, and if My eyes are closed, one can see the flashes of color as the energy works through each chakra. The energy rushes through and pushes through each chakra, and it's possible to feel sharp pains if there are blockages within them as they are cleansed and amplified. 

An attunement can give a similar reaction. While the energy is cleansing, the colors may even seem to bleed into one another as negative energy blockages are released and the chakras are being healed, balance and energetically amplified with healing energy, (the 'white light'.)

Why it happened again...I'm not surprised to hear this happened within deep sensation play. The kundalini is allied very strongly with sexual vitality and activity. That said, the stimulation of the various centers of the body must be controlled; the development of awakening and running Kundalini depends mostly on the readiness of the individual.  Intuitive knowledge will indicate when this is the right time, and the various signs and symptoms of being ready for this awakening must be interpreted and regulated by that individual. If your inner bodies have progressed toward a higher spiritual alignment with your subconscious and waking self, this may have come to you while the power centers of the body were being stimulated and energy was being raised from grounded personal energy within a functioning root chakra,  through the sacral chakra and upwards through the remaining centers.

Whether it's dangerous? In My opinion, it can be, depending on exactly what is happening here. Running kundalini without knowing how to 'shut off the tap' so to speak and descend back to the physical, waking plane can leave one not only extremely drained, but disconnected mentally. The mind must be strong and centered within meditation to bear the strain of remaining the main junction between the physical and inner bodies. Search 'raising kundalini' and see where the references to physical exhaustion and an appearance similar to a psychosis aren't unwarranted within cases where, it seems, the spirit was willing, but the flesh was weak.

I highly recommend finding a regular energy healing circle and an experienced Reiki Master to be able to learn how this can work for you, and how to use it positively for yourself. You MUST be able to trust that your teacher or practictioner knows how to raise, direct, and ground energy, and be able to teach you to do the same for yourself. It sounds like this is something you are currently lacking, and I'd strongly encourage this going forward. 

Answer a few of those questions, OP, and we'll see if this doesn't make some more sense yet.

~Thea




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: altered state? trance? Kundalini? (9/10/2006 10:02:22 AM)

I've experienced the same sort of reactions myself when doing solo meditations.  As long as you can bring yourself back and don't damage yourself or others, I don't see a problem with it.




Sinergy -> RE: altered state? trance? Kundalini? (9/10/2006 10:56:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

I've experienced the same sort of reactions myself when doing solo meditations.  As long as you can bring yourself back and don't damage yourself or others, I don't see a problem with it.


Hello A/all,

I have experienced this personally in various meditation forms as well as during certain forms of massage.  What I found weird after doing acupressure, Kigong, and martial arts for years was I started to be able to sense energy flows in other people.

I would suggest you avoid analyzing it to try to figure out what is going on.  There are lots of processes which happen in a person's psyche which are below the conscious level.  Fighting them or talking about them or whatever seldom works, largely explained by the concept of "You cannot get there from here."

Eric Idle once reviewed a movie with the line "I laughed until I stopped."  This is my general answer to people expressing upset at whatever they are feeling.  You will feel what you feel until you are done feeling it.  This is especially pertinent, in my opinion, when one is processing something below a conscious level. 

I would suggest you allow yourself to process whatever you are processing until you are not processing it any more.

Good luck!

Sinergy




sissifytoserve -> RE: altered state? trance? Kundalini? (9/10/2006 11:24:29 AM)

I think your diet can even trigger this.

I went on a fast for about 10 days with water and veg broth as my only consumption and I had strage sensations i never felt before.

I'm trying to be more on a raw foods diet and it seems like im connecting more to things that were not there before.

Mabye its because of the purification properties latent in raw uncooked foods.




MisPandora -> RE: altered state? trance? Kundalini? (9/10/2006 6:03:41 PM)

Thea...I was going to go there, but with these boards, most people think you're bananas when replying to this detail, so I left it out!!!! Thanks for your great response.




liljoy -> RE: altered state? trance? Kundalini? (9/10/2006 6:51:21 PM)

~fast replay~
i really need to learn to do meditaion. i've tried but seem to have a block due to my past history or something
lil_joy




ownedgirlie -> RE: altered state? trance? Kundalini? (9/10/2006 7:52:00 PM)

Question for MistressTheaZ and MisPandora, if you don't mind (or for anyone else who may be familiar):

In such energy work, is there a way to transfer one's energy to his/her partner during sexual intimacy, such that it flows from one entity to the other? 

I am quite interested in exploring this phenomena, and would be willing to discuss on the other side (email) if more appropriate.

Thank you in advance.




MistressTheaZ -> RE: altered state? trance? Kundalini? (9/10/2006 10:00:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MisPandora

Thea...I was going to go there, but with these boards, most people think you're bananas when replying to this detail, so I left it out!!!! Thanks for your great response.


I figure anyone who actually converses at length or meets Me is going to find out about My eclectic ways anyhow....*laugh*. It's taken Me some years within Reiki, Pranic and lightwork to get where I am, but if I can't share it with those who are seeking, regardless of venue? All for naught, IMO. [;)]

<g>

~Thea




MistressTheaZ -> RE: altered state? trance? Kundalini? (9/10/2006 10:15:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

Question for MistressTheaZ and MisPandora, if you don't mind (or for anyone else who may be familiar):

In such energy work, is there a way to transfer one's energy to his/her partner during sexual intimacy, such that it flows from one entity to the other? 

I am quite interested in exploring this phenomena, and would be willing to discuss on the other side (email) if more appropriate.

Thank you in advance.


Hi ownedgirlie,

Definitely! Energy can be raised through ritual preparation and meditation, and through sexual thoughts, active visualization and activity. The energy raised can be directed and shared with a partner - inclusive or exclusive of participating in sexual activity together. Likewise, both partners can raise energy within themselves and dually ascend to share this on an elevated plane, (akin more to a taoist or tantric slant on the fun of sex magick.)

Definitely drop Me a line on the other side and I'd be happy to discuss, but in the meantime, do check out:

Ecstasy Through Tantra (Dr. John Mumford)
Secrets of Western Sex Magick: Magical Energy and Gnostic Trance (Frater U.D.)
The Beginner's Guide to Sex in the Afterlife (David Staume) - don't be fooled by the title! LOL
Taoist Yoga and Sexual Energy (Eric Yudelove)

All of these are available at: www.llewellyn.com.

[:D]

~Thea




ownedgirlie -> RE: altered state? trance? Kundalini? (9/10/2006 10:18:32 PM)

Mistress TheaZ,

Excellent!  Thank you so much for the references.  I will check them out, and then shoot you a note after some reading.  I appreciate the information and the offer. :)




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: altered state? trance? Kundalini? (9/11/2006 6:43:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie
In such energy work, is there a way to transfer one's energy to his/her partner during sexual intimacy, such that it flows from one entity to the other? 

I almost replied with "easily" and then I realized that something that's always been instinctual to me is not necessarily easy for everyone.

I'll let Thea and Pandora give more detail if they choose.  For me this is like fireplay- I don't give "how to" details online because I think it's too personal and definitely too risky.

But, with most things, it's simply a matter of being AWARE of the energy.  Once you become AWARE of it, you can do what you want with it- just like breathing in your oxygen.  Once you tell your body to breath in- you can push it out wherever and with whatever force you want.




IronBear -> RE: altered state? trance? Kundalini? (9/11/2006 10:03:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MisPandora

Thea...I was going to go there, but with these boards, most people think you're bananas when replying to this detail, so I left it out!!!! Thanks for your great response.


I wonder MisPandora, if you'd be so kind as to inform me your background involving energy and other work. If you feel it is better, feel free to contact me on the other side with details.





IronBear -> RE: altered state? trance? Kundalini? (9/11/2006 10:19:15 AM)

Greeting to you doodle,

Altered State? Trance? Kundalini?

These are serious topics and not easily dealt with in any depth or clarity in these forums. However I will say, that the credable practitioners in these areas train for years often on a one on one basis with a Master to attain proficiency. Pracgticed by such people, the techbniques used are not only safe but benificial. Practiced by amateurs who may be self taught, all such practices have inherent danger in them. I would just as soon turn 6th form school students from physics class loose in a neuclear labority than I'd turn some amateur practitioners loose on any sentient being. If you prefer another analagy and one based in the east, There are many Wallmart martial "Experts" about and yet those aclaimed as Masters in the east, are those who are mature people and who started training as young children.. Such Martial Arts teach a spiritual path and interestingly thay are also one road to the subjects you talk of. A high degree of self knowledge and self disclipline is required. before someone jumps down my throat for saying this, I speak from a basis of both practical knowledge, training and experience in the three discliplines you speak of as well as professional training and accreditation as a hypnotherapist. Whilst I claim no fancy titles, there are some who would tell you that I have been a master in the traditional sence of such matters for a number of years... Like most teachers of my aquaintance, I am extremely selective who I teach or work with.






LotusSong -> RE: altered state? trance? Kundalini? (9/11/2006 11:55:49 AM)

I think it was just  you being very suseptable to the other person's energy.

I had a situation at a gathering, after our sessioning, where I was sitting in a chair and Slave was kneeling in front of me.  He reached out his hands, palms up, and I instinctavly laid  my hands, palm down, on his out stretched hands.  I closed my eyes and we both took off somewhere.  There was a rhytmic  caressing of the forearms we both exhanged for about 5 minutes.  When I came out of it, I looked over at my wide-eyed domme freind.  She said she didn't know what was going on.....but it was beautiful.  She said she could "feel it".  I wish we knew too, "we" weren't "there" at the time.




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