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KenDckey -> Is Disney Pro or Con Liberal/Conservative or is it just a commercial enterprise making money (9/10/2006 8:27:31 AM)

Disney supports homosexuality
Disney makes a profit
Disney is a huge corporation
Disney makes movies (some of which are controversial)

What is the answer?




cuddleheart50 -> RE: Is Disney Pro or Con Liberal/Conservative or is it just a commercial enterprise making money (9/10/2006 8:32:12 AM)

Disney is all about making money.




MistressWolfen -> RE: Is Disney Pro or Con Liberal/Conservative or is it just a commercial enterprise making money (9/10/2006 8:38:20 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: KenDckey

Disney supports homosexuality
Disney makes a profit
Disney is a huge corporation
Disney makes movies (some of which are controversial)

What is the answer?


*shakes head and desperately drinks more coffee*...with all due respect Ken what was the question?




KenDckey -> RE: Is Disney Pro or Con Liberal/Conservative or is it just a commercial enterprise making money (9/10/2006 8:39:19 AM)

LOL   that is what I thought.   They choose their political side according to what would make the most money




wild1cfl -> RE: Is Disney Pro or Con Liberal/Conservative or is it just a commercial enterprise making money (9/10/2006 8:39:55 AM)

I worked for Disney for over 11 years and while they try very hard to avoid controversy of any kind, they also are very fair minded. They allowed benefits to be used for same sex partners many years ago before anyone else did. Disney did not make a big deal out of it, they did it for theri employees because it was the right thing to do. While they do not support the Gay/Lesbian day at their theme park in Florida they do respect the right for them to gather at their theme parks and enjoy the day just like any other guests. They also make sure that if there are any employees who do not feel like they can work with gay and lesbians as guests, they are asked not to work that day so there is no confrontation with anyone.
As far making a profit, yes they do. They have also funded their own insurance for its employees for years. They also hve spent millions of dollars in improving local hospitals in Florida. They have also given millions of dollars to local charities and orginizations in the area. They take care of their own employees when they are in need. While many of these orginizations are run amd managed by volunteers, many of them are what Disney refers to as Volunt"EARS" meaning that they are Disney employees who give their time to these organizatons and while they are not paid by Disney to volunteer, they are given very liberal work schedules so that they can do so and still do their jobs effectively.
Yes I may sound like a Disney cheerleader, but I definitely have a good reason to do so. They have taken good care of me over the years and I want people to know that they have done so.  




KenDckey -> RE: Is Disney Pro or Con Liberal/Conservative or is it just a commercial enterprise making money (9/10/2006 8:41:24 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressWolfen

quote:

ORIGINAL: KenDckey

Disney supports homosexuality
Disney makes a profit
Disney is a huge corporation
Disney makes movies (some of which are controversial)

What is the answer?


*shakes head and desperately drinks more coffee*...with all due respect Ken what was the question?


I take my coffee black with sweet n low and could use another cup.   The question is the subject.   May I suggest you look up.




MistressWolfen -> RE: Is Disney Pro or Con Liberal/Conservative or is it just a commercial enterprise making money (9/10/2006 8:42:58 AM)

*cleans specs and focuses eyes* so it is LOL




MistressWolfen -> RE: Is Disney Pro or Con Liberal/Conservative or is it just a commercial enterprise making money (9/10/2006 8:51:06 AM)

I agree with cuddlehearts, Disney is pro-capatalist which by strict definition extends to pro-conservative I suppose (as I understand conservatism from a Canuck perspective or as we refer to Campbell's regime neo-liberal)




KenDckey -> RE: Is Disney Pro or Con Liberal/Conservative or is it just a commercial enterprise making money (9/10/2006 8:51:10 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: wild1cfl

I worked for Disney for over 11 years and while they try very hard to avoid controversy of any kind, they also are very fair minded. They allowed benefits to be used for same sex partners many years ago before anyone else did. Disney did not make a big deal out of it, they did it for theri employees because it was the right thing to do. While they do not support the Gay/Lesbian day at their theme park in Florida they do respect the right for them to gather at their theme parks and enjoy the day just like any other guests. They also make sure that if there are any employees who do not feel like they can work with gay and lesbians as guests, they are asked not to work that day so there is no confrontation with anyone.
As far making a profit, yes they do. They have also funded their own insurance for its employees for years. They also hve spent millions of dollars in improving local hospitals in Florida. They have also given millions of dollars to local charities and orginizations in the area. They take care of their own employees when they are in need. While many of these orginizations are run amd managed by volunteers, many of them are what Disney refers to as Volunt"EARS" meaning that they are Disney employees who give their time to these organizatons and while they are not paid by Disney to volunteer, they are given very liberal work schedules so that they can do so and still do their jobs effectively.
Yes I may sound like a Disney cheerleader, but I definitely have a good reason to do so. They have taken good care of me over the years and I want people to know that they have done so.  


Oh I didn't say they don't do good.   Hell I watch the Disney Channel almost as much as the History Channel.   I just think that many of their comments and actions show support for political issues.  As far as I can determine this is the second 9/11 movie for them.  I loved the first one and am looking forward to seeing the second one.

I also rarely watch ABC but that is because I like the programming on other channels better.   And I rarely watch anyone's news.




wild1cfl -> RE: Is Disney Pro or Con Liberal/Conservative or is it just a commercial enterprise making money (9/10/2006 8:55:19 AM)

Ken,
Hey no problem, I saw your post on this question and because of my background with the Disney Company I wanted to reply. I think you asked fair questions about them and I just wanted to make sure and give you my 2 cents worth, altohugh it came out more like a nickels worth LOL




MistressLorelei -> RE: Is Disney Pro or Con Liberal/Conservative or is it just a commercial enterprise making money (9/10/2006 8:55:49 AM)

I am a Disney fan, despite the fact that I feel taken advantage of by their price gouging in the toy, clothing, and amusement park markets... but am a bit put off about their new 9/11 movie.  The movie, which is being billed as a docu-drama (after being criticized for its lack of reality), is being offered on tape as a history lesson for schools when it includes events that never happened with historical figures involved, and presents them as facts.  Sure, make a film about anything you please, but don't intend on making it a misleading history lesson for kids to learn from and for schools to teach on.  That's irresponsible, and disappointing.

The right wing has campaigned by notifying schools and urging them to urge their students to watch this movie.   Kids are impressionable; why teach them "history" that isn't accurate. 




wild1cfl -> RE: Is Disney Pro or Con Liberal/Conservative or is it just a commercial enterprise making money (9/10/2006 8:56:52 AM)

I also just looked at your porfile and noticed that you are in Kingman, that is cool. I live in Payson about 4 hours away to teh south and east of you.




KenDckey -> RE: Is Disney Pro or Con Liberal/Conservative or is it just a commercial enterprise making money (9/10/2006 8:57:14 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressWolfen

I agree with cuddlehearts, Disney is pro-capatalist which by strict definition extends to pro-conservative I suppose (as I understand conservatism from a Canuck perspective or as we refer to Campbell's regime neo-liberal)


But doesn't that make almost all politicians, actors, small business owners, workers, etc conservatives because they want money?




KenDckey -> RE: Is Disney Pro or Con Liberal/Conservative or is it just a commercial enterprise making money (9/10/2006 8:58:46 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: wild1cfl

I also just looked at your porfile and noticed that you are in Kingman, that is cool. I live in Payson about 4 hours away to teh south and east of you.


Payson is a beautiful area.   I have spent many a night around the Rim.   My sister wants to be burried there.   I am a true native not a snowbird.   Born and raised in Glendale.




wild1cfl -> RE: Is Disney Pro or Con Liberal/Conservative or is it just a commercial enterprise making money (9/10/2006 9:00:47 AM)

4th generation native here, born at St. Joseph's in Phoenix,grew up on a cattle ranch near Wickenburg and then Tempe




wild1cfl -> RE: Is Disney Pro or Con Liberal/Conservative or is it just a commercial enterprise making money (9/10/2006 9:04:51 AM)

I agree with you that they are at times irresponsible with their production of supposed historical movies, I worked for them normally as a Chef, but also did consulting work as an historical consultant on movies dealing with subjects during Wolrd War II as this is something that I have studied intensively. While I would give them my opinion and advise as to what I felt was correct for the period, the director or art director would often say they were going to do it there way and that was it, they called it dramatic license LOL  




KenDckey -> RE: Is Disney Pro or Con Liberal/Conservative or is it just a commercial enterprise making money (9/10/2006 9:19:18 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: wild1cfl

I agree with you that they are at times irresponsible with their production of supposed historical movies, I worked for them normally as a Chef, but also did consulting work as an historical consultant on movies dealing with subjects during Wolrd War II as this is something that I have studied intensively. While I would give them my opinion and advise as to what I felt was correct for the period, the director or art director would often say they were going to do it there way and that was it, they called it dramatic license LOL  


I know exactly what you are saying.   I don't agree with historical falsehoods, I object to people doing it because of What I see is selective sensitivity.

Hope to meet you at Deveonshire or at the Renn Faire in Flag.   Are there any over your way?   I haven't been able to find any




MistressWolfen -> RE: Is Disney Pro or Con Liberal/Conservative or is it just a commercial enterprise making money (9/10/2006 9:30:51 AM)

hmmmmm yes I suppose it does, but I do not think it is directly related to making money, rather it speaks to the right to make and spend money as well as conduct business. Rather I see it as tied to the historic Republican principles of conservatism in that capatalism is an "economic system based on a free market, open competition, profit motive and private ownership of the means of production. Capitalism encourages private investment and business, compared to a government-controlled economy. Investors in these private companies (i.e. shareholders) also own the firms and are known as capitalists" (Rand, A).


Conservatism is a relative concept and traditionally capitalists were conservative as it suited them to be and forwarded the capitalist cause, thus, a tenous but valid connection. I feel that capitalism stands on it's own merit, as Galambos forwards "It does not depend upon time, place, and circumstance. It is the societal structure that produces freedom by ensuring that each individual is fully (100%) in control of his own property (property being individual man's life and all non-procreative derivatives of his life). Either each individual controls his own life and all of its derivatives or he does not. If he does, capitalisam is the societal structure that prevails by definition." 

In my humble opinion it is about much more than making money, but that the right to do so is a part of the political paradigm of capitalism, in that capitalism came to America and was supported by the Republic, further given the two choices in the OP (pro-liberal or pro-conservative), I would have to select pro-conservative (with the qualifiers of tradition and convenience above noted)




KenDckey -> RE: Is Disney Pro or Con Liberal/Conservative or is it just a commercial enterprise making money (9/10/2006 9:41:19 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressWolfen

hmmmmm yes I suppose it does, but I do not think it is directly related to making money, rather it speaks to the right to make and spend money as well as conduct business. Rather I see it as tied to the historic Republican principles of conservatism in that capatalism is an "economic system based on a free market, open competition, profit motive and private ownership of the means of production. Capitalism encourages private investment and business, compared to a government-controlled economy. Investors in these private companies (i.e. shareholders) also own the firms and are known as capitalists" (Rand, A).


Conservatism is a relative concept and traditionally capitalists were conservative as it suited them to be and forwarded the capitalist cause, thus, a tenous but valid connection. I feel that capitalism stands on it's own merit, as Galambos forwards "It does not depend upon time, place, and circumstance. It is the societal structure that produces freedom by ensuring that each individual is fully (100%) in control of his own property (property being individual man's life and all non-procreative derivatives of his life). Either each individual controls his own life and all of its derivatives or he does not. If he does, capitalisam is the societal structure that prevails by definition." 

In my humble opinion it is about much more than making money, but that the right to do so is a part of the political paradigm of capitalism, in that capitalism came to America and was supported by the Republic, further given the two choices in the OP (pro-liberal or pro-conservative), I would have to select pro-conservative (with the qualifiers of tradition and convenience above noted)


and here I thought Disney was pro-Democratic. 

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=465   which says

Cable companies have grown brazenly monopolistic under the current administration, as evidenced by Time/Warner's recent blacking out ABC from entire regions over a financial dispute.

Multi-media provider Disney has also been a big supporter of Gore. Responding to a request from Tipper, the company provided the Vice President and his wife with free Holloween costumes worth $8,600, in violation of the Ethics in Government Act. When the costumes were reported in the Washington Post, Disney was repaid by the Democratic National Committee. Later Gore and Disney chairman Michael Eisner were regularly seen chumming it up in Washington while the company was seeking Interior Department approval for a new theme park. "Disney's America," was set to open next to the Bull Run battlefield in Manassas Virginia, but the plan was nixed by Disney as it became clear the community wouldn't stand for it.
But the oddest part of the Disney/Gore alliance was yet to come. Disney-known for it's "family" image -- enlisted the Vice President's help fighting the 1998 Child Online Protection Act, designed to limit children's access to pornographic websites. Gore, who called for censoring rock lyrics in the 1980's, dispatched domestic policy advisor David Bier, to kill the legislation. After the beating Disney and Gore took in the press when the story finally emerged, the Vice President tried to help the company's p.r. situation by inviting Disney executives to the White House for "a summit on Internet pornography."





meatcleaver -> RE: Is Disney Pro or Con Liberal/Conservative or is it just a commercial enterprise making money (9/10/2006 9:46:42 AM)

Disney is the greatest artist of the 20th century. He illustrates the vacuous materialism that is capitalism, its sentimentality, its ersatz religiousity and mindless gratification.




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