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Candle wax - 9/11/2006 6:38:07 PM   
Bromius


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I've noticed that there are different types of candle wax and I was wondering which is the best type to use.  Whenever I use a candle - in everything from Hannukah candles to decorative candles - I accidentally spill a bit of wax to feel the heat (), but I haven't noticed a big difference among the ones I've come across.

Are there dangerous types that may cause burns?
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RE: Candle wax - 9/11/2006 6:49:56 PM   
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I have been told that 'stick' scented candles have a higher burn temperature than unscented candles, but they are reasonably close.

The kind that you find in jars is a different story, however, and should probably be avoided.

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RE: Candle wax - 9/11/2006 6:52:49 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bromius

I've noticed that there are different types of candle wax and I was wondering which is the best type to use.  Whenever I use a candle - in everything from Hannukah candles to decorative candles - I accidentally spill a bit of wax to feel the heat (), but I haven't noticed a big difference among the ones I've come across.

Are there dangerous types that may cause burns?




Yes there are differences,but I am not sure of all the types.
I use candles I get from Adult stores,I also use birthday candles,the small ones and the ones that are Numbers.I have also used the singing candle,melt some wax so it sticks in the belly button and then light the candle and it plays happy birthday...way too much fun.
The colored candles can stain fabrics but not skin,none I have seen anyway.
I like to be mean so I like hotter burning candles opposed to ones that arnt.

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RE: Candle wax - 9/11/2006 6:55:41 PM   
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Bee's wax is supposed to be good. Candles with lots of fragrence and dies and stuff are not good.

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RE: Candle wax - 9/11/2006 6:58:34 PM   
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Personally, I use parafin wax.  Not too hot when it burns, cools off quickly when it hits, fairly easy to peel off after its used, and burns cleanly without much of a smell.

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RE: Candle wax - 9/11/2006 7:13:07 PM   
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Actually, I started a thread on this a few months back and one of the things that was established was that beeswax burns very hot and should be avoided.  The coolest are the white emergency candles or the religious candles or just parafin.  Scented candles burn hotter.

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RE: Candle wax - 9/11/2006 7:15:54 PM   
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The height at which wax is dropped influences the temperature greatly... with that i mind, here is some information about candles in general....

The candles you can buy in most grocery stores that are in glass containers (sometimes with religious figures' pictures on the glass) melt at a very low remperature, so you can use more wax with less burn, but of course still try a little before pouring it on. You can light these candles long before playing, and allow a few inches to become liquid. These are my personal favorites when knife play will be used to remove the wax....

Beewax burns the most intensley, and should only be used by experienced players. Don't believe me? Drop just one drop on your wrist and you will feel the sticky difference. It practically adheres to your skin... that is now burned and tender... sometimes blistered...

i have heard that white candles burn the coolest, but this would only be true of a line up of candles made by the same manufactuer... do not automatically thnk because it is white it is harmless.

Scented candles can bring a wonderful addition to the play, but there is also a greater chance of allergies, or too much of a good thing being, well, too much of a good thing...

These are my experiences...
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RE: Candle wax - 9/11/2006 7:30:23 PM   
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http://www.collarchat.com/m_154985/mpage_1/key_wax%252Cplay/tm.htm#155014
Wax Play

Wax Play
This is my general wax play design, easily modifiable if you want to
include multiple people.

Supplies: wax, long tip lighter, sheet or tarp, baby oil, knife,
baby powder, blindfold, (if using a crock pot, ladle, spatula,
paintbrush, any other spreading toys that look interesting)

Get the wax: Either two blocks of paraffin and two glassed church
candles melted together in a crock pot, or just the church candles
for easier transporting. I haven't noticed much temperature
derivation using these types of candles, but white wax is harder to
see where it falls and green tends to just look black on a person.
Start prep at least 2 hours before the scene by lighting the candles
or starting the wax to melt. If the candles are cold, it will take
longer and the wax won't melt as evenly

Prep the area: Flat surface is necessary, a bondage or massage
table usually works fine and is padded. Outside is nice because you
don't have to worry about getting wax on anything. If you are on
the floor, put a flannel sheet or comforter down first to keep
things from being too cold. Cover with an old sheet or tarp, and if
you're off the floor, cover the area nearby as well. Wax will get
everywhere! Lay out all supplies beforehand, you don't want to have
to leave burning candles or naked person alone too long. Also, make
sure your area is well-heated. Even though the wax will get them
warm and give them a nice shell, when it comes off they will feel
the cooler air.

Prep the people: Don't wear your good fetish gear! Again, wax will
get everywhere. For the waxer, wear throw away clothes and/or an
apron. For the waxee, get them naked and blindfolded. I like to
have their focus totally on the wax sensations and you don't have to
worry about wax splattering into eyes. Lay them down on the
surface, starting stomach down usually works best.

Start the scene: Start to connect with the bottom by massaging
their skin, letting them relax into position and get used to your
touch. Massage the baby oil onto their skin. Not only does this
feel yummy, but prevents wax from painfully sticking to hair and
makes it much easier to peel or scrape off. Once you're fully into
the scene, you can get into the wax.

Waxing: I start generally about 18 inches above the persons skin.
Get a good full layer all over their body. Be careful about
dripping on the sides as the skin is more sensitive. Once you've
established an initial layer, you can have more fun with sensations,
bringing the wax lower or higher to build heat (the higher the wax,
the more the splatter). You can paint the wax on, let it drip
slowly or just wash it over them with a ladle. The feet are also
lots of fun. On the stomach, be careful of the belly button.
Sometimes it's good just to put a plug of wax in there or cover it
with a cotton ball.

Removing wax: Wax is likely to still be slightly soft and pliable.
If you're peeling the wax, getting as much in one motion is a very
awesome feeling for the sub. Slowly start at the edges and pull up,
gathering the wax as you go. If you scrape, just press down gently
and pull towards the wax and down. There's always a few drips and
splatters to scrape off. If you've used oil, it should come off
fairly easily. Don't try to get off every piece of wax- a good
shower will do the best job at that.

After the wax: Once you've removed the wax, I sprinkle babypowder
all over the skin. The skin is very sensitive at this point and the
cool softness of the powder feels like rose petals just falling
down. You can rub the powder in and smooth over the skin. This
will help dry off some of the oil as well.

If you want to reuse your sheet, put it in the freezer to freeze the
wax, take it outside and get as much as you can off by shaking or
pulling it. Then toss in the washer and drier to remove the rest.



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RE: Candle wax - 9/11/2006 7:31:48 PM   
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The best (and cheapest) we have found, are the religious candles in the dollar store (insert laughter here) They come in their own glass containers, it's cheap wax, so it's got a low melting point (which is what you want) and it's cheap. I also have made my own. Wax is very cheap in bulk at craft stores.
beware of some of the coloured or scented candles. Additives are often used to make the melting point higher or the oils that can be used may burn the skin.


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RE: Candle wax - 9/11/2006 7:33:12 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: FelinePersuasion

Bee's wax is supposed to be good. Candles with lots of fragrence and dies and stuff are not good.

NOOOO Bee's wax is NOT good at all- it burns incredibly hot and is extremely difficult to control.

You were told by many that paraffin is the best wax to use in your thread on crock pots back in July.

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RE: Candle wax - 9/11/2006 10:14:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

quote:

ORIGINAL: FelinePersuasion

Bee's wax is supposed to be good. Candles with lots of fragrence and dies and stuff are not good.

NOOOO Bee's wax is NOT good at all- it burns incredibly hot and is extremely difficult to control.

You were told by many that paraffin is the best wax to use in your thread on crock pots back in July.




I have never used beeswax...I have a few that are really into pain,exactly how hot will it get? Leaving a red mark for a few days would be great but a 3rd degree burn wouldnt...So My question is can it be used for those pain sluts or is it just to hot even for them?
Thank you in advance 

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RE: Candle wax - 9/11/2006 10:24:25 PM   
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Neighbor sells soy candles.  She completely flipped me out by pouring melted soy candle on my dining room table, then wiping it up with my dry dish towel!

Then she calmly took it to the sink, turned on cool water, squirted on dishwashing soap, and RINSEd it clean!   i was completely amazed.  Word is, they can and do use soy candles for play, even in places like hotels, with no damage to the surrounding fabrics. It's also pretty low temp, about the same as uncolored emergency candles.

(Point about "white" candles..  there is a difference between a candle colored white, and one left Un-colored.  The coloring agent is what raises the burning temp, so be sure you're looking at uncolored, not "whitened" candles.)

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RE: Candle wax - 9/11/2006 10:40:46 PM   
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yeah ok bee's wax nooooooo good. I misspoke:)
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ORIGINAL: FelinePersuasion

Bee's wax is supposed to be good. Candles with lots of fragrence and dies and stuff are not good.

NOOOO Bee's wax is NOT good at all- it burns incredibly hot and is extremely difficult to control.

You were told by many that paraffin is the best wax to use in your thread on crock pots back in July.

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RE: Candle wax - 9/11/2006 11:08:38 PM   
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Thanks for the info, LA, but damn! That's a lot of steps to follow - I prefer to just light a match and watch the nervousness flicker in my sub's eyes.  And as any good reader of "Hints from Heloise" will tell you - ice cubes held over the solidified wax (on the bedspread, carpet, etc.) will stiffen it up so you can snap it off and vacuum it up.  And if you later find a stray droplet of wax - well, just smile and remember the session. 
 
If the sub is nervous about burns, I usually let the wax run over my hand before it drips down onto him (of course, I have a pretty good pain tolerance...).  I normally only use the stick "emergency candles" and I don't like to let it pool up - I prefer stinging droplets to a coat of wax.  But that is just personal preference - there are as many ways to play with wax as there are stars in the sky.  (yeah!)

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RE: Candle wax - 9/12/2006 1:21:29 AM   
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I wonder how many Masters (be they male or female) have tried wax on themselves prior to using it on their slaves...

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RE: Candle wax - 9/12/2006 1:38:36 AM   
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I adore wax play. My favorite is to use stencils and paint with it. I buy wax in bulk (the white stuff is very cheap at my local discount craft store, but I also buy the primary colors, then mix up whatever color I want to work with) and melt it in tins which are designed for making candles over a double boiler on my portable hot plate then I just place the stencils (acetate, which I print out my design then cut, nice and reusable) and paint the various colors in whatever design I've created. The wax goes exactly where I want it and I actually use less wax with that method than by letting it drip and possibly splatter. In addition, if I'm careful and build up the layers, when I scrap it off, I can save the wax and use it again.

I usually practice on myself before a session with a bottom, but that's because I'm a wax slut. ;)  I can really let my creative side out with wax. Combine that with some flat rope shibari and you have a lovely human work of art. ;) One thing.. colored wax dries to a dimmer opaque color, so what may look like blood red in the tin when it's melted dries to a pinkish hue etc. which is something to consider when working out your design elements.

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RE: Candle wax - 9/12/2006 5:02:59 AM   
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Milivoje,  I for one have & I feel it made me more cognizant of my place when using it & being safe. AD

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RE: Candle wax - 9/12/2006 5:58:31 AM   
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metallic candles burn much hotter and can be dangerous. Lighter candles absorb less heat so the darker the color supposedly the hottter it can become.

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RE: Candle wax - 9/12/2006 7:34:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MistressSassy66
I have never used beeswax...I have a few that are really into pain,exactly how hot will it get? Leaving a red mark for a few days would be great but a 3rd degree burn wouldnt...So My question is can it be used for those pain sluts or is it just to hot even for them?
Thank you in advance 

Your best bet really is to just use the paraffin but lower the wax so it has less time to cool before it hits the skin.  Part of the beeswax problem is that it's not a uniform substance, so you can hit a hot spot that you didn't anticipate.  That really doesn't happen with paraffin, but you can still make it hot enough to suit your purpose. 

Experiment around a bit- some parts of the body are far more sensitive than others, and it depends on how many layers of wax you already have on them, whether you've used oil on them already, and other things.  Just take it slow and see where your comfort level is.

For me, wax play is a very deep intense and spiritual form of play.  A good wax scene takes at least 3 hours with me, because of the prep and the establishing a connection and building on it and playing with the energy.  It's certainly not just light a little taper and drip a few blobs and call it a scene sort of thing for me. :)

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RE: Candle wax - 9/12/2006 6:17:05 PM   
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The absolute best way to control wax temperature, IMO, is to make your own candles.  If you use wax intended for container candles (comparatively low melt point) and make tapers with it instead, you have the gentlest candles possible, unless you can find a supplier of unrefined paraffin, but all I can ever find is fully-refined paraffin.

If you buy commercial candles (some of this stuff has already been said) avoid scented candles... the scenting chemicals can raise melt point and irritate skin.  Try to know EXACTLY what is in your candles.  For instance, I have a box of candles that I know for certain are nothing but paraffin and red dye -- no other additives at all.  The additive that you really want to avoid is stearic acid, or 'stearine.'  It's a common additive to make candles  harder, longer lasting, dripless and cleaner-burning.  In fact, the mention of any of those qualities on the packaging is a give-away that there's stearine in them.  The words "100% paraffin" are your friends.

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