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Doms/Masters who submit - 9/13/2006 4:44:54 AM   
TNstepsout


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I was wondering if any of you have had good experiences with male Dominants who decide, for whatever reason, that they want/need to submit. Of course everyone is different and make these choices for different reasons, but I just wondered if, in general, you'd had good or bad experiences with this. Did you find they were just looking for some new kick? Or were they genuinely sincere in exploring/experiencing submission?
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RE: Doms/Masters who submit - 9/13/2006 5:03:33 AM   
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My current sub is an ex Gorean Master. According to him, he had always had the desire to submit however the Gorean code doesn't allow a Master to submit to a slave.I have no idea I don't deal with Gor it is not my thing. he also stated that other reasons were: trust, he never trusted anyone enough to open his submissive side to them. the *macho code* that says a man is always Dominant (harhar). all of his partners were deeply submissive and would never ever attempt to Dominant a man.

We have discussed this at length and he is adamant that he is sincere, that he wishes to submit to a strong woman who he can trust with his very life. He feels free now and can express himself without fear and he no longer cares about the male *macho code*. He stated he feels as if huge weight has been lifted from his shoulders, he no longer has to pretend to be something he truly is not.

He is currently undergoing training and is doing very well. We have found that he really enjoys cross dressing and is eager to try anything that I might introduce. He has really opened up to me and the communication is flowing which was a big hurdle in the beginnning. He is learning about service, how to give manicures/pedicures. He is reading books about submission and has expressed the desire to further his learning.

Do I think all are sincere? nope I've been with slutjack for 2.5 years now and I made damn sure that he understood that this isn't a game. So I think time is the key, most if they are doing it for kicks won't stick around for 2.5  years, most would dart after a couple of months I would think.

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RE: Doms/Masters who submit - 9/13/2006 12:46:06 PM   
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I probably shouldn't even answer this because, although I do get letters from Male Dominants, from time to time, I will not even consider anything.  With a Male Dom friend, if he has a maso streak and wants to bottom, I would do that.  But I don't consider that submission in the fullest sense of the word.  That is some kinky play.  And it takes a lot, as Lashra noted, time as well as hoops, for one who says he used to be Dom to prove that he is now submissive instead.  I would certainly look at the situation, but I haven't had one yet that made it past more than a phone call or two.
I also hear from many Switches, and I have to admit that I usually discount them also, because I would be worrying about taking care of their Dominant needs, and that would mean involving yet another party for him.  I may have missed out on a good relationship here and there, but it is easier for Me to just be friends, and not get into any of the "Will you Dominate me?" type scenarios.

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RE: Doms/Masters who submit - 9/13/2006 1:05:31 PM   
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I can understand it but I wouldn't care to get involved in it for the most part. It would just depend on the person and the situation. I don't do casual sex, that is reserved for a ltr, so if that in any shape or form is what they were looking for.......no way.

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RE: Doms/Masters who submit - 9/13/2006 1:44:21 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I can understand it but I wouldn't care to get involved in it for the most part. It would just depend on the person and the situation. I don't do casual sex, that is reserved for a ltr, so if that in any shape or form is what they were looking for.......no way.


*Smile*  Which is, quite frankly, what most of them are looking for.  I caught a boy once who had a Male Dom profile and a male slave profile on this site.  He told Me that he only had the Male Dom one in order to get some kinky sex with any possibly available sub gals.  I am sure he gave out the same story on the other side of the whip!

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RE: Doms/Masters who submit - 9/13/2006 4:21:03 PM   
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Thanks all. I guess it's one of those things that is situation dependent so I'll just have to figure it out. Maybe it's just my suspicious mind but the Dominant men I've met have generally been so set in their ways it's hard to imagine one that could really submit well. Then again, for some dominance is a protective mechanism and I can see where some may really feel a need to be able to let down their guard and be vulnerable.

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RE: Doms/Masters who submit - 9/13/2006 5:16:34 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: TNstepsout
I was wondering if any of you have had good experiences with male Dominants who decide, for whatever reason, that they want/need to submit. Of course everyone is different and make these choices for different reasons, but I just wondered if, in general, you'd had good or bad experiences with this. Did you find they were just looking for some new kick? Or were they genuinely sincere in exploring/experiencing submission?


Back when I was new to the lifestyle, I did actually get involved with a few male dominants who wanted to explore their submissive side.  I would say the experiences were okay, but not really what I was looking for.  I think they were in it more for experimentation than out of any desire to please Me. 
 
Now, I am much more selective and clearer on what I am looking for and really do not have time to get involved with such individuals.  I am much more interested in finding a submissive male with a genuine desire to please Me than a dominant male wanting to explore his submissive side.
 
Lady Topaz
 
 

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RE: Doms/Masters who submit - 9/14/2006 2:30:58 AM   
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I have always been deeply sceptical of doms who want to sub for me and I get an unusually large amount of offers from such people I have only ever used one of them, I am still sceptical of his motives even now though he proved to be a good sub and it was fun torturing him all the same.


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RE: Doms/Masters who submit - 9/14/2006 8:02:12 AM   
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OK, My take on this. I am a switch, or I prefer to think of Myself as a Duality ... I am happiest functioning as both sub and Domme at the same time. However at the moment I am seeking a new sub, but that's another story! This part is going to be complicated enough as it is!

When I first met He who is now my Master, (We lived on opposite sides of Australia and met online), We talked as co-equal Dominants ... sharing stories about subs. He had a particularly troublesome "sub" (superbrat more like) and My "sort of sub hubby at the time" was giving Me plenty of grief too. We had plenty to talk about! He said that while He was primarily Dominant He knew He had a slightly subby slutty side, and asked Me to take charge of that a little, direct it through tasks etc. It took a bit of persuading, but I eventually agreed. At that time, my sub side was in the care of a Master in a LDR which was intended to become realtime when possible.

Then all hell broke loose simultaneously for both of Us! His superbrat ran off to USA (from Eastern Australia) to be with another man (not a Dominant). And my "LDR Master" decided to dump me 3 days before my birthday for another sub. So His Dominant side and my sub side were both very wounded and went into retreat, and Our "other" sides came to the fore. We began to talk much more on the phone supporting each other. Within a month there was the opportunity to meet for 5 days in a city more or less between Us both ... I recognised this was a window of opportunity unlikely to be repeated, so We made the plans and put them in place. As much as anything, he was keen to submit to "prove" to himself that it wasn't as impossible as subs seemed to make it! For Myself, My Dominant side needed to work with someone who wasn't as incredibly self-absorbed as My hubby.

We met ... and he had the flu! Poor man, he was terribly sick, yet despite that, put in an amazing effort. Nothing quite as heartwarming as returning to Your hotel room after a conference session to hear someone literally fall out of bed so he would be on his knees ready to greet Me! he served Me well, completed the tasks I set for him while I was at the conference, and We had some great play sessions too. It was amazing to Me how quickly and powerfully We connected ... I know that My love for him was born that week. I shed tears when it came time for airport goodbyes.  I still loved him when I got the flu just after I returned home!

That week turned out to be a tremendously healing time for both of Us. While We stuck to My Dominant name (Jay) and his sub name (minor as opposed to His Dominant name at the time, Major ... We're both musicians!) for about the next month, the conversations gradually changed as Our "other" sides healed and came out again. We began speculating what it would be like for me to sub to Him. Because of my deep love of all things purple, He began calling me violet ... and He reverted to Major. In one conversation i called Him Master ... not consciously, it just slipped out ... twice. He did a double take ... asked if i realised what i'd said. Scrolling back, i checked (sometimes IM has its uses!), and said it felt right. We haven't looked back. When We next got together just 4 months after that first meeting, We thought at first We might spend half the time one way and half the other. But once We met and i began subbing to Him ... well they were just an awesome 11 days and We KNEW We couldn't and wouldn't switch. He was now Master and that's all there was to it and i was the happiest i could be. 4 months later He visited here for 3 weeks, the decision was taken for Him to move here (for lots of good reasons) and 3 months after that (nearly a year after that first meeting), He moved here. W/we have now lived together for over 2 years 24/7, and are very happy as Master and sub/slave (i'm between both definitions!). Just 3 months ago He collared me to Him.

Has He ever felt the urge to sub again? No! While We fondly remember that time (and i admit, i do tell Him what a wonderful sub he was and how much I enjoyed smacking his ass, usually with sneaky swats at said part!), there is truthfully no way I would want to switch back. He is my Master (and now also Master of Jay's activities by My choice) and that's how I want it to stay. We have agreed that should He ever feel the need to sub, He would seek out another Domme to take control of that, but We don't see it as likely. Yet both of Us feel the benefit of that experience, for His Dominance and my submission. It was a very powerful way for Our relationship to begin.

So there is a positive experience with a Dom who subbed ... just didn't end up as either of Us would have initially predicted LOL! But then, I am one for never saying never ...

Mistress Jay aka violet[A] (Master's using His real initial for the collar!)

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