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servantnj -> humiliation in crossdressing (1/9/2005 1:46:48 PM)

well, after quite sometime here at collarme.com this will be my first post to the forum. I was too buzy with one very different forum, but life changed, and it is time to move on.

here is my question and i will try to make it simple. As submissive male, who worship and simply adore female sex, i dont understand what is so humiliating in being dressed as one. As one dear pro-Domme friend of mine once told me, "look at him he is flying, doesnt even know what sex he is right now" it is great experience to those who fantasize about, but what is humiliating in being transformed into the shape of female that you admire? why is stripping machoism from submissive male humiliating? (is there such thing as macho-submissive)



Toggil -> RE: humiliation in crossdressing (1/9/2005 1:53:13 PM)

my first post also, i'll tell you what first comes to my mind. Most men don't have quite the right figure to be passable as a CD without some work so i think it's the fact that they are men trying to be women yet most times are made to look ridiculous. or something like that.



onceburned -> RE: humiliation in crossdressing (1/9/2005 2:21:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: servantnj
i dont understand what is so humiliating in being dressed as one.


I don't understand it either, but I accept it as true for some people. (shrug) What works for me may not work for you. Different strokes for different folks.

quote:

(is there such thing as macho-submissive)


I suppose so. I have seen several Dommes state online that this is their preferred partner... kind of an alpha-male who submits just as knights submitted to their Queen or Lady. But I don't know enough of the sub-universe to say they exist.



MadameBette -> RE: humiliation in crossdressing (1/9/2005 2:32:46 PM)

Some people confuse 'humiliation' as it applies in the Lifestyle, with 'embarrassed'.
So, some will say being forced to cross-dress is humiliating.
For you, obviously, it's not.
However, in a BDSM context, it IS 'humiliating', because you are being 'humbled', that is, submissive to your Dominant.

Submissives are often involved in play that seems 'humiliating' to vanillas. Take, for example, requesting permission to go to the bathroom. If that's part of your routine, you probably don't see it as humiliating, because it's become part of your everyday life. OTK spankings would be another example if they were done often. However, (to continue with the same example) if OTK spankings were a rare occurence, used for discipline perhaps, they MIGHT FEEL MORE HUMILIATING because of the context and the fact that it isn't everyday that you get one.
Hope this answers your question. Good topic, BTW.
~ Bette



Jasmyn -> RE: humiliation in crossdressing (1/10/2005 7:30:47 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: servantnj
here is my question and i will try to make it simple. As submissive male, who worship and simply adore female sex, i dont understand what is so humiliating in being dressed as one. As one dear pro-Domme friend of mine once told me, "look at him he is flying, doesnt even know what sex he is right now" it is great experience to those who fantasize about, but what is humiliating in being transformed into the shape of female that you admire? why is stripping machoism from submissive male humiliating? (is there such thing as macho-submissive)


For some the very notion of becoming the object of their whorship is humilating. No matter how good a fem they make when cross-dressed they know they could never be a Goddess like the one they adore. It can be humiliating because they don't want to embarass the gender they see as Superior and humiliating because they have a penis, and humilating because no matter what when those clothes are removed they are still male (and the women they adore are still Superior).

For others it is humilating because despite them believing in the Superiority of women, the Goddess... society largely does not agree with them...and as a cross-dressed male they can be subjugated and humiliated for 'been female' ...the women assuming an alpha-male society role... a kind of taking out the ills of patriachol society on them...jesus in skirt kind of stuff. ..attoning the sins of men over the centuries.

And for others again some macho-sub males can only submit when cross-dressed...they have to believe they are the 'weaker sex' to be in a position of subservience.

And there is the taboo of cross-dressing ... the humiliation in the embarrrasment and shame should anyone learn they are currently wearing a bright pink pair of frilly knickers...but even moreso humbling when he is doing so because he was forced femmed by a greater being...his Mistress.

Agree with Ms Bette.. great subject.

Jasmyn



truesubboy -> RE: humiliation in crossdressing (1/12/2005 5:34:15 PM)

I think it's enjoyable because it totally strips you out of your male role and helps to reassign you totally. I feel that I am much more deeply in subspace when forced to dress like the slut that I know I am. Becoming someone else, especially of the opposite sex, really helps the fantasy comes alive.



MissP -> RE: humiliation in crossdressing (1/13/2005 10:40:46 AM)

It means different things to different people. My partner loves doing it, so it's not in the least bit humiliating for him. He revels in it.

Another person would find even the though of being made to dress in female garb highly embarassing.

You just have to find the right buttons to push [:D]



Mytimetoserve -> RE: humiliation in crossdressing (1/13/2005 5:24:06 PM)

Does anyone think that the key word might be "forced"? To me it is giving up control of mighty maleness. As Jasmyn stated, and I never took into consideration, there is the macho-slave catagory. I think I may fall into that. Although I have never been "forced" to dress for a Mistress, I have on a couple of ocassions. I dream of a dominant having me naked and restarined, and then springing the entire outfit on me. The times I have dressed, I have been told it was like pushing a submissive button. I instantly became more docile and attentive. One professional domme that I used to scene with at a club once said that if there was ever a man the should be dressed like a slut for the rest of his life, it was me.

I am having the same trouble that many people have in finding a partner. It seems that most that I have talked to will dress a man because the man likes it. I want to submit to a woman because she likes it.

Thank you Jasmyn for your insight. I love the way you use the term knikers. In the states, knickers was a term that was used when I was a child for bloomers. Definitely not sexy for a crossdressing submissive.



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