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RE: Conspiracy Phreak Update - 9/13/2006 8:58:13 PM   
Rumtiger


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Listen, everybody  is overthinking this, and I can shut down every single consipracy theory or video or other such bullshit with one very tiny, single, and damn simple thought.

If any of this shit was true, do you really think the government would just let any stain with a computer be able to send it every which way? and even then dont you think the governemnt would have pulled the plug on any of these things the second it came into existance? Seeing as you aint got a black chinook on your lawn I doubt much is true.

Have a super day.

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RE: Conspiracy Phreak Update - 9/13/2006 9:00:12 PM   
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RE: Conspiracy Phreak Update - 9/13/2006 9:01:44 PM   
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*Yawn* Gawdamn ya'll are making a racket.

Listen, everybody  is overthinking this, and I can shut down every single consipracy theory or video or other such bullshit with one very tiny, single, and damn simple thought.

If any of this shit was true, do you really think the government would just let any stain with a computer be able to send it every which way? and even then dont you think the governemnt would have pulled the plug on any of these things the second it came into existance? Seeing as you aint got a black chinook on your lawn I doubt much is true.

Have a super day.

Tiger.


Rumtiger, you are using common sense. That is like kryptonite to conspiracy theorists.

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RE: Conspiracy Phreak Update - 9/13/2006 9:01:59 PM   
sissifytoserve


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Your IGNORANCE is showing.

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RE: Controlled demolition - 9/13/2006 9:03:33 PM   
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No steel frame building in history has ever collapsed due to fire.

3 of them did on 9-11.

WTC #7 wasn't even hit by a plane.

The Windsor high rise building in Spain a while back burned for 2 DAYS STRAIGHT.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spain_fire_2005.html

It didnt collapse.Only the upper floors buckled.

But a Kerosene fire only took an hour to collapse the most structurally over engineered buildings in history?

Yeah...


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These and most of your comments are addressed by the PM book and/or NIST. I don't want to keep posting rebuttals as we can do that all day. If you have any desire to have an open mind -- which is your call, of course -- read them. Short answer, it was fire combined with structural damage from airplane impact (in the case of WTC 7, probably the structural damage from the collapse of the towers, but the NIST report isn't out yet, so I'll reserve judgment on that until it comes out and I read it.) At this point, I'm not prepared to rule out controlled demolition for WTC7 without more information, though it doesn't make much sense -- that collapse added nothing to the value of the conspiracy that hadn't already happened with the collapse of the main towers.

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RE: Conspiracy Phreak Update - 9/13/2006 9:05:41 PM   
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RE: Conspiracy Phreak Update - 9/13/2006 9:09:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		A jet airliner going extremely fast hit a building. The jet exploded. Why is the fact that it brought down a skyscraper so hard to believe? Lol.

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RE: Controlled demolition - 9/13/2006 9:12:45 PM   
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From the PM report:

CLAIM:"It has been standard operating procedures for decades to immediately intercept off-course planes that do not respond to communications from air traffic controllers," says the Web site oilempire.us. "When the Air Force 'scrambles' a fighter plane to intercept, they usually reach the plane in question in minutes."
FACT: In the decade before 9/11, NORAD intercepted only one civilian plane over North America: golfer Payne Stewart's Learjet, in October 1999. With passengers and crew unconscious from cabin decompression, the plane lost radio contact but remained in transponder contact until it crashed. Even so, it took an F-16 1 hour and 22 minutes to reach the stricken jet. Rules in effect back then, and on 9/11, prohibited supersonic flight on intercepts. Prior to 9/11, all other NORAD interceptions were limited to offshore Air Defense Identification Zones (ADIZ). "Until 9/11 there was no domestic ADIZ," FAA spokesman Bill Schumann tells PM. After 9/11, NORAD and the FAA increased cooperation, setting up hotlines between ATCs and NORAD command centers, according to officials from both agencies. NORAD has also increased its fighter coverage and has installed radar to monitor airspace over the continent.



Actually the jets WERE scrambled 15 minutes after losing contact. How come not on 9-11?


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/oct99/crash26.htm


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RE: Conspiracy Phreak Update - 9/13/2006 9:16:21 PM   
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A jet airliner going extremely fast hit a building. The jet exploded. Why is the fact that it brought down a skyscraper so hard to believe? Lol.



A large B-25 hit the Empire State building back in 1945....it didnt collapse the building.

Most of the fuel from the plane that hit the towers exploded into a fireball and diminished quickly.

Hence...BLACK smoke.


I think you just WANT to believe that..."A-rabs done it!"

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RE: Conspiracy Phreak Update - 9/13/2006 9:22:29 PM   
Rumtiger


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Status: offline 		Oh no, they figured it out, betta watch out, the choppers are in whisper mode over your roof. 

The 4 man A team outside your windows aint for pleasure either, after all, if they can take down the WTC they can surely do god knows what to your ass right?  you know what you gotta do? run run! Quick, get in the mountians, make sure you dont use any mettalic building materials for shelter! Forget using your computer! Use a typewriter instead, they cant trace it back to you!

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RE: Conspiracy Phreak Update - 9/13/2006 9:23:32 PM   
Estring


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quote:

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A jet airliner going extremely fast hit a building. The jet exploded. Why is the fact that it brought down a skyscraper so hard to believe? Lol.



A large B-25 hit the Empire State building back in 1945....it didnt collapse the building.

Most of the fuel from the plane that hit the towers exploded into a fireball and diminished quickly.

Hence...BLACK smoke.


I think you just WANT to believe that..."A-rabs done it!"


I do want to believe that Arab fanatics did it. Especially when they admit to it and celebrate the act.

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RE: Controlled demolition - 9/13/2006 9:24:47 PM   
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Just to give you an idea that you are a sucker that fell for a bunch of sensationalist nonsense. I will pick one thing from your rhetoric and undeniably refute it.

The structure did not melt or burn down. It was designed (in the 60's and 70's) to be very light weight. There were "L" shaped girders placed around the outside of the floor. There was a vertical column in the center of the building and webjoists were spread between the two. Afterwards concrete was poured on the webjoists to form the floors.

When the jet crashed into the tower, up to 90,000 liters of jet fuel were spilled and then ignited. The fire was a diffuse flame.. In other words the flame did not ignite before it was spilled. It ignited afterwards as evidenced by the black smoke. This type of flame does not burn hot. It burns between 500 and 750C. The fire in the WTC burned at about 700-750C. Steel loses 50% of it's strength at 650C.

Those L shaped girders around the perimeter that were holding up the floor softened and let go of the floor. It was a domino effect. When the floor landed on the floor below, it collapsed, and so on. This is clearly demonstrated in the footage.

I do not have the patience to refute the rest of your nonsense, but trust me, you do not have a clue.

EDIT:  I found footage on Google that proves Elvis is alive...

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=8456072745793987266&q=elvis+spotted

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RE: Controlled demolition - 9/13/2006 9:30:58 PM   
StrongButKind


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quote:

ORIGINAL: sissifytoserve

quote:

ORIGINAL: StrongButKind

From the PM report:

CLAIM:"It has been standard operating procedures for decades to immediately intercept off-course planes that do not respond to communications from air traffic controllers," says the Web site oilempire.us. "When the Air Force 'scrambles' a fighter plane to intercept, they usually reach the plane in question in minutes."
FACT: In the decade before 9/11, NORAD intercepted only one civilian plane over North America: golfer Payne Stewart's Learjet, in October 1999. With passengers and crew unconscious from cabin decompression, the plane lost radio contact but remained in transponder contact until it crashed. Even so, it took an F-16 1 hour and 22 minutes to reach the stricken jet. Rules in effect back then, and on 9/11, prohibited supersonic flight on intercepts. Prior to 9/11, all other NORAD interceptions were limited to offshore Air Defense Identification Zones (ADIZ). "Until 9/11 there was no domestic ADIZ," FAA spokesman Bill Schumann tells PM. After 9/11, NORAD and the FAA increased cooperation, setting up hotlines between ATCs and NORAD command centers, according to officials from both agencies. NORAD has also increased its fighter coverage and has installed radar to monitor airspace over the continent.



Actually the jets WERE scrambled 15 minutes after losing contact. How come not on 9-11?


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/oct99/crash26.htm




Not 15 but 24 minutes by your article (9:44-10:08).

American Airlines 11 transponder went off at 8:21 AM, fighters were scrambled to find it (though they didn't know where to look -- Payne Stewart's plane flew straight on autopilot, while Flight 11 turned and was not successfully tracked by radar) at 8:46, 25 minutes later. So it took an extra minute. As the plane hit the south tower at 8:46:26, neither the extra minute nor knowing where the plane was would have helped.

The timeline on United 175 was even shorter. All the timelines from when transponder was turned off or contact lost to crash were shorter than the time it took the F-16s to intercept Payne Stewart's plane. Not that all situations are created equal. Flight 77 was longest at 46 minutes. It took more than a half hour longer (1:22) for the intercepting planes to reach Stewart's plane, and that one was much easier to find.

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RE: Controlled demolition - 9/13/2006 9:35:11 PM   
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I think it is obvious to everyone that bush has manipulated the events on 9/11 to meet his own ends though I don’t think the fact that he has done so can be used as evidence to prove it was him who organised the attacks.

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RE: Conspiracy Phreak Update - 9/13/2006 9:40:11 PM   
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Did I miss something?


We have a frontrunning candidate for understatement of the year...

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RE: Controlled demolition - 9/13/2006 9:40:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Assume that there really were controlled explosions on several floors, why do people point the finger at the American government as being complicit in that?  Isn't it more likely that it was an added part of the entire terrorist attack and that charges had been placed there by allies of the hijackers?  Seems weird that people automatically invert blame.

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RE: Controlled demolition - 9/13/2006 9:41:57 PM   
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Assume that there really were controlled explosions on several floors, why do people point the finger at the American government as being complicit in that?  Isn't it more likely that it was an added part of the entire terrorist attack and that charges had been placed there by allies of the hijackers?  Seems weird that people automatically invert blame.


They're working backwards. They decided to blame the government first, and are trying to make the evidence fit from there.

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Conspiracy Phreak Update - 9/13/2006 9:52:37 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: EnglishDomNW

Assume that there really were controlled explosions on several floors, why do people point the finger at the American government as being complicit in that?  Isn't it more likely that it was an added part of the entire terrorist attack and that charges had been placed there by allies of the hijackers?  Seems weird that people automatically invert blame.


They're working backwards. They decided to blame the government first, and are trying to make the evidence fit from there.

Their arguments started in the boy's bathrooms of elementary and junior high schools... they've either made some progress, or have chronologically grown older. I suspect the latter.  

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RE: Conspiracy Phreak Update - 9/13/2006 10:14:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		A WWII B25 weighs less than the wing of 767, about 33,500 compared to 300,000+ for a 767.  If that fact was so wrong, what else have you not looked deep enough into.

I have no doubt that the Bin Laudin family had some idea of what was comming and I have no doubt that they communicated that to Bush who used it to serve his own goals.

However, planting explosives or doing anything else "big" would leave a trail of evidence that was unneeded, just sit back and let it all unfold and nobody could ever prove otherwise.  This administration has never managed to do anything well, why would you suddenly believe they could carry off a massive conspiracy without fucking it up?

The massive shaking caused by hundreds of thousands of tons of material driving into the ground could easily cause other buildings to collapse, think earthquake.

Never look at scattered facts and try and imagine a conspiracy to fit them, look at motive, look at money, look at methods and competency. 

After '06 and the impeachments begin, look for evidence about things like the suppression of the investigation into the Saudi funding the safe houses in San Diego and some other subtle things that were done to come out.  You are never going to see things about the "missile" that hit the pentagon because it never happened.  The only thing that happened was a bit of treason and betrayal of America to our worst enemy.

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RE: Conspiracy Phreak Update - 9/13/2006 10:58:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		WTC 7 is interesting all by itself. Check the Tenant List:
http://www.intellnet.org/resources/costar_wtc/7WorldTradeCenterTenants.xls

Salomon Smith Barney
Internal Revenue Service Regional Council
U.S. Secret Service
American Express Bank International
Standard Chartered Bank
Provident Financial Management
ITT Hartford Insurance Group
First State Management Group, Inc
Federal Home Loan Bank
NAIC Securities
Securities & Exchange Commission
Mayor's Office of Emergency Mgmt

A building that wasn't hit by anything but that fell anyway. Double plus good!

Gee, there wouldn't happen to have been some important records in that building, right?

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