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Mavis -> RE: Breaking (9/16/2006 11:00:28 AM)
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ORIGINAL: Mavis
i've always looked at it as two different things...
Breaking the will.. which is a good thing for some, including me.. appropriate to training
Break the spirit? bad thing.
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Ladyhugs
Breaking the will in my mind's eye is not wise. Each person has a 'will' that centers from the soul, spirit and connects to the logic, reasoning, the choice process. Will is making choices, determination of goals, behavior, attitude and such. ....
Breaking one's will, in my mind's eye seems closer to Prisoner of War, treatment as to control individuals and or a group of individuals, as to not raise up in mass numbers as to overrun the camp and it's guards. It was done with negativity and cruelty.
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Mavis
but seriously, like anything, communication, get those terms defined, and make sure you know the overal goal and the intent.. Sometimes people use terms we heard before in a negative context without meaning the same thing.
As with any choices we make re Dominants.. intended end result is critical. Motive, Method and Intent is the only thing we can measure, and measure it, we must, if we're to end up in safe hands.
i think breaking "willfulness" that is borne of plain old obstinancy that is a habit response in many who have accepted societal conditioning is a common first step in D/s couples.
Any Dominant that wishes to remove the will / ability to make active decisions isn't working from the right motives. (IMHO) and i tend to assume most don't work that way. Giving the benefit of the doubt, i try to look for what possible good outcomes are under consideration.
LadyHugs, i understand where You're coming from Maam, i think this is a case of reading within context and sifting thru the history of the discussion, and the poster. i think W/we are both banging the same drum.. "beware anyone who would diminish the sub or slaves ability to be a fully functioning adult."
Breaking the will in the POW example is a good example. It is the Will that offers only resistance and rebellion, it is the Spirit that would fight to save ones self. i still maintain that a Dom breaking the Will is targeting resistance, while leaving the Spirit intact is protecting the sub or slaves ability to remain self-determining and self- preserving.
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