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RE: Inappropriate Msgs: Possible Solution - 9/14/2006 7:33:03 AM   
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RE: Inappropriate Msgs: Possible Solution - 9/14/2006 8:20:35 AM   
ModeratorEleven


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ORIGINAL: IronBear

Part of my bitch about bias against non US based people is with all the messages I have left with the tech support people here not one has had the good manner to say anything. my information from inside sources is that they prioritise the services for the US and the rest of us can go to buggery. This is also the attitude of mods too, again according to my inside sources.

Your "inside sources" have no idea what they're talking about.  No geographical region gets any preferential treatment on any level here.

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RE: Inappropriate Msgs: Possible Solution - 9/14/2006 10:01:55 AM   
IronBear


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Status: offline 		Interesting statement since you have no idea who they are or the fact that one moderator is one of them having given a sworn statement to as firm of laywers in NY which I have a copy of.. The point is M11 you refuse time and time again to recognise that there are issues such as people here suffer a greater loss of normal service than reported from areas of the US. This can be perhaps forgiven due to it being oft easier to fix local problems. Just for once admit that there are problems and thet CM is aware of them and even is trying to rectifying them and you may just perhaps allay the growing feeling that CM is biased.. I'm not telling you anything new or unknown to others. If you want to discuss this with me on the other side then go ahead where I will hapily do so with out rankor in the hope that some areas may be settled if not that tom is fine, no skin off my nose. 

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RE: Inappropriate Msgs: Possible Solution - 9/14/2006 10:33:49 AM   
Mavis


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Status: offline 		CM is so free it's silly... so to complain about the service is kind of like complaining  govt cheese isn't brie.

Since the site files seem to be housed in the same server.. at most two.. it's got to be the route Your isp uses to access the host computer?  ( i could be wrong, but i *think Sir, that my access from Nashville TN is pulling files from the exact same hard drive as everyone else..   the server that hosts Cm domain docs.  Unless there is a mirror of some type.  Usually forum software is a unified software bundle referencing a single database.  the database could be hosted on a different server, but they should be doing the same process to serve what i see as what You see.)

Checked Your ping at pitstop.com or one of the gazillion-three sites that validate transfer times?

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RE: Inappropriate Msgs: Possible Solution - 9/14/2006 11:02:56 AM   
IronBear


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Status: offline 		I repeat Mavis that this is just not hapening to one computer but to my three and to other computes in various areas of Australia. It is hardly feasable that we all suffer from the same problem individually but more possible due to routing to here from there. Sure it;s a free site but thuis doesn't mean that I have to settle for bad service does it? certainly I am hardly here any more and comming in less and less (today being an exception). I am in agreement with a few others that in the near future, it will not be worth the wasted time to even visit these forums  and we'll probably only pop into the other side to contact a few friends.

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RE: Inappropriate Msgs: Possible Solution - 9/14/2006 11:19:48 AM   
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Mavis
it's got to be the route Your isp uses to access the host computer? 


quote:

IronBear
It is hardly feasable that we all suffer from the same problem individually but more possible due to routing to here from there.


Sir, i think W/we're in agreement...

Never said it was the internals of receiving computer at all.  The ping test  i was referring to just traces the route timing.  The bad service is most probably from the ISP, the site computers don't manage the routeback to You.

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RE: Inappropriate Msgs: Possible Solution - 9/14/2006 11:39:10 AM   
freex


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Status: offline 		Ok let me break it down, collarme is not directly or even indirectly responsible for making sure that some offshore networks are not only able to view there website with under a 500ms connect time but that the offshore pipe has the allotted bandwidth.
Collar me purchased there domain directly/indirectly through domainsbyproxy.com who uses godaddy.com to register and maintain the domains (handy that). There internet/hosting services are provided by Laer42.net who is some run of the mill XSP. They in turn pull there internet connection from PCCW a.k.a. Hong Kong Telicom, who then integrate into Beyond the network of America. Now I could be a bit off with the virtulization and PCCW may have a network hub this side of the ocean which would help explain some of the network routing. Never the less; so that everyone might come to understand a few things a bit more “No collar me has nothing to do with how network traffic over the internet and access to there website from other countries are handled”. If you want to blame someone blame there providers provider the people who actually control the networks, not those who simply use the pipes.
Mid note: I find it odd that a moderator would even presume to believe that this is something a website or rack mount (at most) is completely responsible for the network availability to there site. Let alone would simply come to some law firm to give a statement for no purpose but to flatulate loudly. Lets assume that collarme is responsible this means these things are true:
  1. collar me controls there own router and/or firewall
  2. collar me owners maintain access lists of the moving ip blocks which sometimes come and go on and off shore
  3. They do this because of content attack from these networks, slow them down and kill the ability for a DDos to be effective by slowing the rate at which the commands are received.
  4. there XSP has requested/required that these measures be taken because of the website content and attack possibly from right wing agenda seekers
  5. It’s all a conspiracy against those Aussies because they have dingo’s, and the crocodile hunter is dead so who cares about them now.
  In the end your moderator if that is what they truly are simply keep up on the forums and look through the site, I highly doubt they have or had any tasks beyond that. The truth is you having nothing beyond the point that it is collar me that is doing it but no ‘why’ or ‘how’. Without further reason or understanding yourself it makes it hard for you to do anything but “stone casting”.
One last note, it would appear that layer42 there network provider is running some sort of firewall past this point 69.36.239.126. This still would be outside collar me’s realm of control unless they happen to own layer42

In the end I hope this is not perceived as a flame but rather an eye opening view and time for reflection. We should all strive to not only seek the truth but truly know it when we seek it. One will always find truth where they want it but it’s in finding truth in those places we dare not look that we see with eyes open.    --------------------------- Domina ad porta liberatae mae.

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RE: Inappropriate Msgs: Possible Solution - 9/14/2006 11:42:50 AM   
freex


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ORIGINAL: Mavis

quote:

Mavis
it's got to be the route Your isp uses to access the host computer? 


quote:

IronBear
It is hardly feasable that we all suffer from the same problem individually but more possible due to routing to here from there.


Sir, i think W/we're in agreement...

Never said it was the internals of receiving computer at all.  The ping test  i was referring to just traces the route timing.  The bad service is most probably from the ISP, the site computers don't manage the routeback to You.


Aye mavis hence still removing this pesky issue of CM truly beeing at the root of the problem. I still doubt that one can clarify this issue as there provider unless you also consider there providers backbone provider, then there offshore link provider. Once i dropped off the ATT network it was all back watter from there no one with any really large networks besides PCCW.

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RE: Inappropriate Msgs: Possible Solution - 9/14/2006 11:43:08 AM   
eyesopened


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Status: offline 		What??? Eliminate all the inappropriate email???  Then i wouldn't get any!  

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RE: Inappropriate Msgs: Possible Solution - 9/14/2006 11:56:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: IronBear

The point is M11 you refuse time and time again to recognise that there are issues such as people here suffer a greater loss of normal service than reported from areas of the US.

I'm not sure how I could have refused time and time again to recognize any such problem since this is the first time I've ever heard of it.  As I said in my previous post, no geographical region gets any preferential treatment on any level here.  Once the packets leave our local network, they are subject to the whims of the net's transit providers.  If our colo's upstream providers don't have good peering agreements with Telstra, traffic between you and us will suffer.  No conspiracies, no underhanded traffic throttling, it's just the net.  

I realize that's not nearly as glamorous as believing in some sinister conspiracy, but little in life truly is.

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RE: Inappropriate Msgs: Possible Solution - 9/14/2006 12:20:33 PM   
CreativeDominant


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ORIGINAL: philippesangel

I continuously see CM members complaining, both in forums and journals, that they receive reams of inappropriate messages (and even hate mail), often from individuals who have evidently not read the recipient's profile. I believe this may be driving people away from the site. I'd like to propose a partial solution...

It strikes me that sending a message here is too easy to do without thinking; a message form appears under the short version of a member profile. I suggest this form be removed, so that a writer must click through to the Full Profile in order to access a message form.

This may inconvenience scrupulous members a little, but we all benefit from a reduction in unwanted mail and hounded members.

Thoughts?

-Philippes



You know, I have not had one bad email since I joined here.  Is it because:

1.  My profile is too boring?

2.  My profile is too long/not long enough?

3.  My profile is too vague/too explicit?

4.  Everyone agrees with my posts?

5.  Everyone disagrees with my posts but don't feel strongly enough about them to email me?

6.  Nobody...~sob~...cares???


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RE: Inappropriate Msgs: Possible Solution - 9/14/2006 12:27:15 PM   
freex


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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

quote:

ORIGINAL: philippesangel

I continuously see CM members complaining, both in forums and journals, that they receive reams of inappropriate messages (and even hate mail), often from individuals who have evidently not read the recipient's profile. I believe this may be driving people away from the site. I'd like to propose a partial solution...

It strikes me that sending a message here is too easy to do without thinking; a message form appears under the short version of a member profile. I suggest this form be removed, so that a writer must click through to the Full Profile in order to access a message form.

This may inconvenience scrupulous members a little, but we all benefit from a reduction in unwanted mail and hounded members.

Thoughts?

-Philippes



You know, I have not had one bad email since I joined here.  Is it because:

1.  My profile is too boring?

2.  My profile is too long/not long enough?

3.  My profile is too vague/too explicit?

4.  Everyone agrees with my posts?

5.  Everyone disagrees with my posts but don't feel strongly enough about them to email me?

6.  Nobody...~sob~...cares???




hahah that is wonderful, I also do not recieve any flame emails; least not yet.


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RE: Inappropriate Msgs: Possible Solution - 9/14/2006 1:30:09 PM   
MstrssPassion


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IronBear:Part of my bitch about bias against non US based people is with all the messages  have left with the tech support people here not one has had the good manner to say anything


When you say tech support do you mean "Support" in general? If so, I'll have to side with Mod11 on this one in regards to no geographical area is given preference over another... Support doesn't have the good manner to reply to any of my messages either & I'm in the US. 

It would seem that non-preference means that everyone's messages are equally ignored.

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RE: Inappropriate Msgs: Possible Solution - 9/14/2006 7:55:19 PM   
Lorelei115


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ORIGINAL: PrimitiveLogic

How about a message thread where all vile mail is aired? Exposing carreer culprits might have some effect. If you cant have your words publicized, then don't send them.


That might have the opposite effect... as they were talking about over in the "respect" thread, Most people who send hate mail or consistently inappropriate emails have no self respect, and would probably feel validated by having their mails published like that. Just my thought.

Also, I only understood about 1/3 of this thread. God, it sucks being a non techy sometimes.

Also, I agree, CM is a FREE site. They are kind enough to provide us a major service without charging for it... just think of the bad emails as a sort of "advertising cost".

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RE: Inappropriate Msgs: Possible Solution - 9/14/2006 8:10:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		While I agree with exactly what you said, in front of God and everybody....there are issues that abound here that are never answered or allowed  enumeration, indeed; at the instigation of these negative posts dealing with facts that while may be incorrectly stated have the force of truth,are immediately discarded without edification or communication to the masses, is the sine qua nine of the universe,  it is hardly amazing then, that if first causes are not explicated; the brunt of ALL foibles fall squarely on the CM admin, perforce.


FYI.

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RE: Inappropriate Msgs: Possible Solution - 9/14/2006 11:25:18 PM   
philippesangel


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Status: offline 		OK, back to the original topic, I propose:

1. Remove the "Quick Message" form from the short version of the profile
2. Add a checkbox to the message form on the Full Profile page, which must be marked by the writer, that reads:
   I have read this member's entire profile and this message is appropriate to their interests and wishes.

The idea is to create extra steps when the urge to write strikes, and increase the chance that the writer of an inappropriate message will abort before sending. How can I petition the web developers to give this a try?

Newly joining female subs seem to get an unreasonable amount of worthless mail (hundreds of msgs) within hours of signing up. I'd really like these gals to stick around for more than a day, and actually notice a message if I send one!

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RE: Inappropriate Msgs: Possible Solution - 9/15/2006 4:35:25 AM   
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RE: Inappropriate Msgs: Possible Solution - 10/23/2006 6:06:17 AM   
patina


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Status: offline 		Blocking does no good they just change their name and profile and come back on and harass you gain.  I know from experience.

CM could block them using IP addresses but refuse to do it.  A place to put down the names of people you have actual contact with would help so others could contact you for info.  Or putting your name under their profile to show you had contact with them would also work.  This was done on a dating site I was on once.  It worked pretty good. 

I have given these idea to the adminestraitors.  No reply back from them, that was 2 months ago.

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RE: Inappropriate Msgs: Possible Solution - 10/23/2006 6:09:48 AM   
HalloweenWhite


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quote:

ORIGINAL: philippesangel

I continuously see CM members complaining, both in forums and journals, that they receive reams of inappropriate messages (and even hate mail), often from individuals who have evidently not read the recipient's profile. I believe this may be driving people away from the site. I'd like to propose a partial solution...

It strikes me that sending a message here is too easy to do without thinking; a message form appears under the short version of a member profile. I suggest this form be removed, so that a writer must click through to the Full Profile in order to access a message form.

This may inconvenience scrupulous members a little, but we all benefit from a reduction in unwanted mail and hounded members.

Thoughts?

-Philippes



I think you may be onto something-if people have to do some work to get to send a message they might well think more carefully about whether it's worth it.


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RE: Inappropriate Msgs: Possible Solution - 10/23/2006 6:21:14 AM   
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How about a message thread where all vile mail is aired? Exposing carreer culprits might have some effect. If you cant have your words publicized, then don't send them.
  
   This might be a solution; however, if people are vindictive enough to send hate email why wouldn't they create some 'fake' email and post it to expose an innocent person.   Emails can easily be altered.   The only thing it might do is create an interesting drama board.

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