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RE: Stolen Elections? - 9/14/2006 9:16:32 PM   
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I hate to think what kind of mess Gore would have us in after 9/11.



Hello A/all,

I agree, (insert sarcasm here) we have done so well with Monkeyboy in charge after 9/11.

Dont bogart that joint, my friend.

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RE: Stolen Elections? - 9/14/2006 9:23:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ad Hominem attacks are a reasonable way to look for justification and a win, Sin you understan tai, and the point is to win.

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Well, america is now two hundred and thirty some years old, so we must be doing ok.

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RE: Stolen Elections? - 9/14/2006 11:13:26 PM   
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Since you clearly are the slow man on the totom pole, let me ask you a simple question.  How many millions do you think GWB paid the Taliban prior to 9/11?

Wow, isn't it amazing how much you don't know?  Isn't it amazing how much more the people you keep calling stupid know about whats going on?  Any chance that might make you stop and think?

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RE: Stolen Elections? - 9/15/2006 12:13:17 AM   
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if Gore and Kerry had won, you wouldn't be complaining about stolen elections.



     Likely not Estring, but the Republicans sure as hell would have been.  Maybe Bush would have shown more grace than Gore,  but the same people who screamed Clinton wasn't legit because Perot split the conservative vote wouldn't have.  I hate to think what kind of mess Gore would have us in after 9/11.


And I would have been down on the Republicans if they did complain. And for damn sure Bush would have (and did) show more grace than Gore.
If Gore had won, he would be trying to get Al Queada to use low emission bombs. Lol.


Anybody would be better then the monkeyboy that we have in the white house now; what has he done to stop al queada?? What has he done to punish the people that attacked us on 9/11?? What has he done to help victims of katrina?? What has he done about anything---all he has done since he has been in office is run this country into the ground, put us in debt and started a war that has led to way too many deaths. A war that has absoulutely NOTHING to do with 9/11. Its a war that bush started because he wanted to go after saddam because saddam threatened bushs father when he was president. Bush used 9/11 as an excuse to follow his own agenda. An excuse to start a war that even after all these years has done NOTHING to punish the people responsible for 9/11, a war that has torn apart a country, took countless american lifes and ran the US into debt.

And as a final note---bush didnt win the election he stole it; both times

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RE: Stolen Elections? - 9/15/2006 12:21:37 AM   
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Its a war that bush started because he wanted to go after saddam because saddam threatened bushs father when he was president.


I think that parts crazy. I would see a profit motive as far saner behavior. Additionally, some would say that Senior and Junior don't see eye to eye on the subject:

"BUSH SR. SENDS NOT-SO-SUBTLE MESSAGE WITH AWARD TO KENNEDY"
http://www.uexpress.com/printable/print.html?uc_full_date=20031016&uc_comic=gg

But hell, who knows?


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RE: Stolen Elections? - 9/15/2006 12:23:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		We are all allowed our own opinions but im keeping mine; and if it had nothing to do with getting saddam why is saddam the one that was caught and not bin laden??

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RE: Stolen Elections? - 9/15/2006 12:27:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, simply because this is about oil and not empty threats between former friends, that's why.

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RE: Stolen Elections? - 9/15/2006 12:28:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		so you think bush started a war just so he could have the oil??---that may have been part of the reason but I still stand behind my reason as the main one.

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RE: Stolen Elections? - 9/15/2006 2:41:27 AM   
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.......in cultural/civilisation years (like dog years but different) that makes the USA about 2 and a half.

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RE: Stolen Elections? - 9/15/2006 5:43:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Ad Hominem attacks are a reasonable way to look for justification and a win, Sin you understan tai, and the point is to win.

This is the truth and codex:

Well, america is now two hundred and thirty some years old, so we must be doing ok.

LOL,

See how big we are?



Hello A/all,

I apologize if my comment about bogarting that joint offended some.

I am not interested in winning.  I am just trying to figure out what yardstick is being used to determine that George W. Bush and his ilk have done a great job.

I suppose I could have gone in to the doubling and more of gas prices.  The fact that for years now we have been understaffing our military by 1/4 to 1/3 of our needed manpower, largely due to a legally questionable military campaign put into motion by a bunch of criminally incompetent neo-cons. 

We could discuss the destruction and failure to rebuild New Orleans.  I dont really think the hurricane was a Republican, but George W. Bush has taken the agency competently and effectively run by James D. Witt, and made it into the old agency described after the Northridge earthquake as being able to screw up a two car parade.

The lack of feelings of good will that the Simian In Chief has engendered in the rest of the world, and the hostility and suspicion our country is viewed.  We could discuss the widespread rape of the environment in this country.  The fact that a significant number of Republican senators and representatives have resigned in disgrace and/or are facing indictments for egregious abuse and fraud.

The fact that George W. Bush and his cronies could be brought up on War Crimes charges in The Hague.

His party pushing through NAFTA and then turning around and putting tariffs (something NAFTA prevents) on Canadian wood.

I just find it amusing that the Republican party, as the majority in Congress, really had to go very low in their seniority list to find members to lead congressional committees, considering most of them were implicated in the Abramhoff scandal.

I am curious where the Republicans are going to find somebody who can unite their party.  The Simian In Chief has done his best to alienate every faction in his party with the exception of the Christian Right.  What is curious is how many states are considering ballot reform bills, largely managed by Republican individuals, and similar to the ones reported on as illegal election stealing practices both locally and globally.

There was a comment about Gore being the one who sued.  This is true, however  his lawsuit was only to force a recount of votes in Florida.  Bush and his cronies got that suit thrown out and the election handed to George W. Bush.

Feel free to explain to me what particular aspect of being President Of The United States that George W. Bush has done a good job at.

Just me, etc.

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RE: Stolen Elections? - 9/15/2006 6:36:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree that the Republican Party is becoming more and more seperated.  I think that also applied to the Democratic Party during Clinton's Lame Duck term.  I think that in the last few administrtions that hold true.  I also think that people aren't, as a general rule, as inclined to vote the party ticket, or what the unions say, or what they are told by employers, or whatever as they were before.

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RE: Stolen Elections? - 9/15/2006 7:47:32 AM   
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I agree that the Republican Party is becoming more and more seperated.  I think that also applied to the Democratic Party during Clinton's Lame Duck term.  I think that in the last few administrtions that hold true.  I also think that people aren't, as a general rule, as inclined to vote the party ticket, or what the unions say, or what they are told by employers, or whatever as they were before.


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RE: Stolen Elections? - 9/15/2006 8:40:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		That's a little bit like saying that if the apple hadn't hit Newton in the head, we wouldn't be talking about the law of gravity.  How about the possibility that Bush and Cheney won BECAUSE the elections were tainted?  I mean, I've read both sides of the issue and am nowhere near prepared to say that either the 2000 or the 2004 election was "stolen," but it's not a problem you can dismiss just because opponents of Bush are raising it.

Besides, I simply can't understand this attitude: "I dare anyone to show me an election where everything went perfect."  So that means we should just ignore problems because perfection is impossible anyway?  That makes no sense at all, and it's not an attitude you're likely to take with respect to your own work.

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ORIGINAL: Estring

I just have to laugh sometimes. If Gore had won his home state, and if Kerry had had any kind of clue, none of you would even be talking about rigged elections today. And if any Republican had complained about voter irregularities, you all would have laughed and told them to get over it.
There have always been voter irregularities. I dare anyone to show me an election where everything went perfect.
I am no fan of Richard Nixon, but when informed of possible voter fraud in Chicago when he lost against Kennedy, he didn't whine like a baby, or go to court. He accepted the results for the good of the country.
I have never seen such a bunch of whiny crybabies. You lost the last two elections. Get over it, and get ready to lose the next one.

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RE: Stolen Elections? - 9/15/2006 10:27:00 AM   
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...and it's not an attitude you're likely to take with respect to your own work.


Hope springs eternal, but we really have no idea how low Estring might go do we?

I think that each and every political matter deserves considerable scrutiny. Certainly, as fundamental a question as legitimate elections deserves such scrutiny even more so. For any U.S. citizen to ignore the issue is wholly irresponsible.


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RE: Stolen Elections? - 9/15/2006 10:33:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Isn't the real reason the election issue won't go away is because the country is split right down the middle and whoever won Florida, the losing side would bitch because both parties are so polarised? Only a significant win by one party or the other would convince the losers they hold the minority view. I guess it would help if the President acted like he only had a small majority but we have a crap system too that enables a minority winner to act like a dictator.

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RE: Stolen Elections? - 9/15/2006 10:36:14 AM   
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RE: Stolen Elections? - 9/15/2006 10:36:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

I agree that the Republican Party is becoming more and more seperated.  I think that also applied to the Democratic Party during Clinton's Lame Duck term.  I think that in the last few administrtions that hold true.  I also think that people aren't, as a general rule, as inclined to vote the party ticket, or what the unions say, or what they are told by employers, or whatever as they were before.


Nothing will divide a bunch of criminals like the prospect of splitting up their ill-gotten gains



ROFL   Yeah   I have to sorta agree.  Look at Hilary   she got to write a book and keep the proceeds and Gingrich got thrown out of congress for it.  Wierd country we live in.

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RE: Stolen Elections? - 9/15/2006 10:39:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Consider a figure like Tipper Gore - is the woman actually insane? Her whole censorship thing just boggles my mind. What a fucktard.

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RE: Stolen Elections? - 9/15/2006 10:51:58 AM   
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Consider a figure like Tipper Gore - is the woman actually insane? Her whole censorship thing just boggles my mind. What a fucktard.


Consider Cheney's Wife, Lynn, she belonged to the same coalition as Tipper Gore...

Her activities continue along with Ol Joe Lieberman,... you know, the guy who cannot decide which party he wanted to belong to..so his party decided for him

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20020121/sherwin20020109

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RE: Stolen Elections? - 9/15/2006 11:10:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Tipper is why I would have voted for Dole over Gore.  But like all combat vets, Bush smeared him so he could walk over him to office.

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