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Rules/Training - 9/15/2006 6:25:14 PM   
jnyc


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I am somewhat new to the scene and am trying to take the next step from play to true dom..  I would like to know what type of rules that masters have for there subs and any advice on training.   Thanks.
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RE: Rules/Training - 9/15/2006 7:19:04 PM   
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When you bring up this thread, at the bottom, you should see a text box that says 'Search term'.  Look up 'books'.  Read those threads.

Read.  Learn.  Your question is way too open-ended to get into here.

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RE: Rules/Training - 9/15/2006 7:45:25 PM   
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I second this. You need to read and learn first. There are a lot of books that cover different areas that will help you find what fits you and works for you. There is no bdsm rule book or training manual. There is no one way everyone has to be and do things. It's about what works for you and the one(s) who choose to submit to you. Just to get you started here's a few titles to check out:
The Loving Dominant by John Warren
The Topping Book
The Bottoming Book
SM 101 by Jay Wiseman
Consensual Sadomasochism
Screw the Roses, Send Me the Thorns

There are many more besides.

Getting involved in local groups, going to munches, events and parties, making friends, asking questions, learning all you can. This is the best advice I can give for just starting out. Don't rush into finding a submissive, instead take time to figure out what you want and need realistically and learn all you can, prepare yourself as best you can first.

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RE: Rules/Training - 9/15/2006 8:26:12 PM   
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If someone else gives you a list of rules and you adopt them whether or not you're interested in them, then I wouldn't view you as very dominant.

In general, it's best to start with very few rules and only those you are sure you want in place and will pay attention to whether or not they are being followed. If I'm given a dozen rules, and he doesn't notice whether or not I follow them, I will stop obeying them and lose respect.

Rules I had in the beginning of the relationship; 2 emails a day schedule permitting, having to look other people in the eye and talk to someone I didn't know. The major one is that I'm supposed to talk to him if I have a problem that causes me to withdraw emotionally, I have trouble with this so I email or write on paper and leave it under his pillow.

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RE: Rules/Training - 9/15/2006 10:17:35 PM   
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you have been given very sound advice .... first and foremost when learning to be a Dom . talk with others . Italk with other Masters  and Dommes all the time for new ideas and insights I may choose to use in my lifestyle . but learn from books and others in your local area who might mentor you


edited to add: .. I have also been in this lifestyle 20 something years and still learn every day

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RE: Rules/Training - 9/16/2006 3:42:48 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: jnyc

I am somewhat new to the scene and am trying to take the next step from play to true dom..  I would like to know what type of rules that masters have for there subs and any advice on training.   Thanks.


Whatever I want (rules). But then I am an owner not a dom.

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RE: Rules/Training - 9/17/2006 12:16:32 AM   
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Sometimes it's helpful to see how other people do things. Then, we can take what works for us, leave the rest and add more, to make it just for us. Why reinvent the wheel every time? I certainly didn't start from scratch. Perhaps having a look at my manual will help. Welcome to the club.

Also, up in the right corner as a great search function. You can search by author or keyword. I use it a lot!

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RE: Rules/Training - 9/17/2006 9:53:21 AM   
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Dear jnyc, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
I wrote a manual, "The Manual - How to give service,"
US Library of Congress
Certificiation and Registered
TXu 828-635
1997
 
I give it to students, to which most have been dominants and some slaves.  What I do, is set up an outline how to organize your household and or scene situations in public and or private.
 
You may wish to have written down, what your responsibilities/duties are and what a future slave/submissive responsibilities/duties are.  I feel strongly that each dominant/submissive's number 1 priority, is to keep themselves safe from harm, especially from each other.  Then spell out what responsibilities you're willing to take as well as what the future submissive/slave responsibilities. 
 
Negotiation check list may be helpful.  I recommend "Screw the Roses, Give me the thorns" check list, with the addition of quirts and single tails, as when it was written; single tails and quirts were not exactly in fashion.
 
Spell out what will be good manners/etiquette/protocol.  But, be sure you follow them as much as you demand it from another, to include slaves/submissives.  In other words--practice what you preach.  I also agree to the idea of keeping protocols rather simple and practical.  Spell out what behavior will be acceptable and what will not be acceptable.  For example, my unacceptable behaviors are slaves being impared by alcohol, drugs and or medications.  How strict you wish to be is up to you.
 
I wouldn't correct a slave/submissive as to cause them an upset after the fact, when you didn't have rules in place before hand.  It really isn't fair, as slave/submissives aren't mind readers.  Add the new rule after the fact and then discuss it if necessary, as to why, etc.
 
Spell out your dressing preferences for your slave/submissive in dungeon settings, private parties, public venues, vanilla and or munch settings.  My personal preference is having the slave dress one level down from my attire.  The idea is that the slave doesn't outdress or outshine the dominant--But, I am old fashioned but, you need to determine that as an individual preference.
 
I also advise new dominants, to be prepared to apologize.  It takes a real man/woman to apologize for making mistakes.  Dominants will make mistakes.  When a dominant apologizes to a slave, which is unpopular with some dominants, the apology allows a slave to forgive.  If there is no open door to forgiveness, it just festers inside a slave and boils into resentment or other negative behaviors.  We're all human and when both parties understand that errors will take place, trust will bloom as you're seen as honest.  Communication is the key and, communicate as to make it understood fully--to which assumptions have no place to crop up in anybody's mind.
 
If you wish to carry it even further, do research on serving in a domestic capacity, to which spell out how you wish your house to be run.  For example, my slave's first priority in domestic service is to keep the living room cleaned as to have guests in and out without having to worry if it is clean or not; then the guest bathroom, then down the line according to priority and or premise.
 
Serving Tea, lunch and dinner are something I do enjoy alone as well as with guests.  You may wish to explore that area.
 
A personal manual, has my shoe size, shirt size, skirt size, choice of laundry soup, favorite colors, preferences in dining in informal, semi-formal and formal settings for Teas, lunch and dinner.  I have such a personal manual, as to have it as a reference for a slave, as to peek at when they wish to know something more 'personal.'  I also include my allergies, my medical situation and such.
 
I will also mention, that manuals are aids--not the Bible.  It is very easy to make a M/s or D/s situation all work and no play.  It needs to be a balance where you both are excited about.  What manuals do, is help slaves remember.  Once they get into the groove per se, they will not need a manual to peek into as a reference guide.  It also helps a dominant to peek in the manual as to refresh themselves.
 
As far as ritual/ceremony and or protocol goes--it can be seen as to fancy or not fancy enough.  You need to create what is comfortable to you to maintain.
 
In greeting, my slaves go into a 'presentment' position.  Some slaves are old (I like older slaves) and cannot kneel so they stand.  Some kneel, to which helps aid me in establishing the line between dominance/authority and submission/respect.  I don't keep them there long, as it really is hard on the knees.  Although this position has roots in history, as to keep prisoners in a position of disadvantage; there are interesting things which take place when a slave kneels.  They are, it helps their mental state to go into the submissive state, their nose smells the man's crotch/lady's thighs which works on the pheromones, which causes sexual arrousal.  The leather or other scents coming from the dominant help create the platform or foundation to D/s or M/s interactions.  Anticipation, endorphins, as well as other body internal chemical changes start to work. 
 
The three most important tools any dominant possesses, is their mind, their voice and their touch.  Tools are mere extentions of such.
 
Hope this helps.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs

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RE: Rules/Training - 9/19/2006 10:47:19 PM   
yaqeta


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quote:

In general, it's best to start with very few rules and only those you are sure you want in place and will pay attention to whether or not they are being followed. If I'm given a dozen rules, and he doesn't notice whether or not I follow them, I will stop obeying them and lose respect.


I'd agree with that.  Another plus of starting with fewer rules and working towards more is that the sub becomes more willing as time goes by, to submit more to you.  My Master was very smart in the development of our relationship that he began with a couple of basic rules, and always held out until I was well beyond ready before expanding on them.  This made (and continues to make) me crave to submit more to him, and feel delighted and rewarded by the introduction of each new restriction.  It has led to far more devoted service from me than if he had started with a complete list and left me thinking "He expects all this??  Sheesh, what a pain in the butt this will be...."

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RE: Rules/Training - 9/20/2006 12:00:10 AM   
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It is a sad day when you are told to RTFM unfortunately this is not like a Linux or Windows question people could easily answer; where they to know as much as they would like you to believe. Read, but don’t just read you need to consider and reason. When it comes to defining your dominance you must find a middle ground take your morals and how you feel and understand how they can work within the realm you wish to enter. If you are looking to join the scene because you have a fembot / or sub/slave seeking some domination first find what they truly want. Do your research save lots of documents, and find locals you might want to talk to and learn from. Remember there is no set right or wrong and if you get the opportunity to see an exhibition or group engaging in viewable activities of domination and submission then visit. This is not always for everyone and there will be different degrees in which you will find your median. Read from some of the erotic stories, many people will tell you that the “Story of O” is the definitive definition and understanding where you might want to go with your domination. There are several versions of this book along with a newer version “The Sectary”. Along with all this reading and fantasy learn about the terms and other lifestyle ideas and concepts. You can choose to live your lifestyle completely in a role-play world or choose to role play at your discretion.   After you have done your research if you are doing this because of a partner seeking adventure remember you will require quite a bit of dedication and truth in your life to fully fulfill this desire if it is truly yours. If you want to simply perform domination in acts then you would consider yourself more of a top if that feel more comfortable. Some prefer to simply enjoy BDSM on a session basses or in the bedroom only with natural submission in there nature but choose not to live there life like that. Knowing your partner and or sub is most important. Don’t just hand them a contract and assume to get your information out of that. Find what they think they want and then discover what they really want through giving them a taste of there desires. Look into abyss as it where.   You can only excel as much as you have access to; by that I mean if you find you wish to delve deeper and darker but are unable to go there you will still have much learning and must practice prudence and patience as a sub/slave can not be forced into any direction; they are in the end a person with inalienable rights and freedoms no matter how many they say they want to give up. You are there caretaker and must love for them more then in any regular relationship as trust with ones life must not become careless.   Ok so there is your 3 paragraph RTFM (no real manual just lots of opinions and documents) blown into a wide perspective hopefully giving you a real launch point for your perspective.

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