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RE: Amnesty International - 9/18/2006 7:52:01 AM

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RE: Amnesty International - 9/18/2006 8:01:04 AM

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

JuliaOceania claimed that the people of nations can run their own affairs best and I pointed out that this did not seem to have happened in Africa.
Then she said......
Billions have been co-opted by corrupt governments while innocent people are left to pay the debt.
Doesn't that prove my point !
An example: R Mugabe in Zimbabwe handing over highly productive farms to the natives. Those farms now stand idle and wasted.

With regard to Israel I saw a woman point to some new settlements, which I believe have been subsequently cleared, and say,
That land belongs to us because God says so.
Debate with that !
I thought most of the water in Israel is being used for irrigation, am I wrong ?

Mass immigration , from alien cultures , on a scale now being witnessed in Europe is a recipe for major conflict.
I believe it was stopped in the US at the turn of the 20th century, hopefully it will be stopped in Europe..
That only means that we will have to wait for the birth rate differential to take affect before the problems get worse.

I believe the average Israeli uses about 7 times more water than the average Palestinian... if that figure is wrong I hope someone can point me to a different source because these figures were textbook figures and my memory maybe faulty. I believe large quanties of water are used for municipal purposes, Palestinians use water for irrigation also.

As far as the rest of my post proving your point... perhaps I just read you incorrectly... but if that is the case, it is .

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RE: Amnesty International - 9/18/2006 8:10:43 AM

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General comment ...

This is a typical debate on this topic ... each side trying to pass the lion's share of blame on the other.

Using actual historical events, you can take the "who did what to whom" debate, back to the Roman Empire, if you so choose. Points of view depend on where one stops on the historical timeline.

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RE: Amnesty International - 9/18/2006 8:36:45 AM

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The difference is between now and the Roman times is that people alive today experience and are experiencing the very real consequences of actions taken in recent history and with both our countries at war because of related issues, these issues are significant. While we are still expriencing the consequences of the Roman Empire, it is so far in the distant past to have any real impact on today's arguments.

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RE: Amnesty International - 9/18/2006 8:58:12 AM

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We have had this debate before, I believe. History always builds on itself.

As a hypothetical ...
If someone was ten years old in 1950 when some event happened that makes them bitter today, are they justified to ignore what might have happened in 1920, long before they were born? That 1920 event, might be what was used to justify what happened in 1950? Can the person in question dismiss it, because they were not alive at the time? What about the event that happened in 1898, that was the event that justified what happened in 1920? ... etc, etc, etc ...

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RE: Amnesty International - 9/18/2006 3:09:16 PM

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