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pineapplesub -> Sub Drop (9/16/2006 12:50:23 PM)

I have been seeing the same Dominant (long distance) for some time now.  I have found that always immediately after I leave, I become depressed and moody.  I guess the first thing I am asking is, is this what sub drop is?  I've seen the phrase tossed around, but never with a definition attached to it, really.  And secondly, what can I do to prevent and/or minimalize the effects?  Any suggestions would be appreciated.

~val~




TNstepsout -> RE: Sub Drop (9/16/2006 1:10:54 PM)

It could be. Do a search of the subject. It's been brought up quite a bit. It might also be just leaving and going back to your every day life is kind of depressing after having such a great time. The suggestions for aleviating sub drop are usually to pamper yourself a bit and just take it easy for a few days. You could also ask your Dom to create some activities that can engage your thoughts as you drive home and reduce the sense of separation. Perhaps you could recite something out loud every ten miles or call him and leave a message or wear an article of his clothing on the drive etc...




Silvermoon -> RE: Sub Drop (9/16/2006 1:22:37 PM)

Here's an Article I wrote some time back. Maybe it'll help. It's geared towards R/T interaction but some experience subdrop after online interactions.

"Sub-Drop"
Over my experiences in the lifestyle it has never ceased to amaze and frustrate me how many people understand what 'sub-space' is, but have no idea what 'sub-drop' is. The truth of the matter is I discovered what it was by experiencing it, and asking for help. I was asked if I was experiencing 'sub-drop' and after a long discussion I was both relieved and worried, to admit that is what I was suffering from. I was also flabbergasted. I wasn't a newbie in the lifestyle but even now it seems this is not an openly discussed subject. If you ask me, that needs to change! Safe, sane, and consensual, this topic fits under all three. So, after alot of thought, and even more time, I sit down at my faithful computer once again.

When asked, many confuse 'sub-drop' with either 'sub-space' or 'after-care'. The truth is while they are often directly related to each other, they are completely different issues.

I use the term 'sub-drop' because it is the most commonly know term. However, the condition is NOT exclusive to a bottom role. Top's often experience the same symptoms as submissives.
I will attempt, through my experiences as well as information available, to explain the similarities, differences and different possible manifestations of 'sub-drop', while attempting to not get too detailed.

First let's try to define 'sub-drop' and therefore come across the first similarity between 'sub-drop' and 'sub-space'.
'Sub-Drop' is both an immediate and delayed physiological and physiological reaction to the high stimulus in or around a BDSM scene or environment.

For the sake of argument I am going to refer to 'sub-drop' after a scene, and scene being defined as anything from an active period of sensory play, a more subtle power exchange between partners, or simply a gathering of lifestylers such as a play party.
Much like how achieving 'sub-space' is a highly individual thing, so is 'sub-drop'. Though 'sub-drop' is a common occurrence many do not recognize it and some do not even seem to have it occur.
So one must realize that everyone is different and therefore one definition or example is not all encompassing.
I often use the example of 'post-partum depression' as a comparison, since most are familiar with the term. Many women experience 'post-partum depression' in varying degrees after child-birth, some not at all.
'Post Partum Depression' is caused by many factors, change in hormones, changes in the body, changes in lifestyle and relationship. Personally, while I experience 'sub-drop' very strongly, I have never experienced 'post partum depression' with any of my children.
In this way 'sub-drop' is very similar.
During a scene or sexual arousal there is a measurable release and rise of several hormones (example: adrenalin, endorphins, oxytocin) into your blood stream. This accounts for several factors which you notice during an active scene or sexual arousal; heightened physical sensation to stimulus, faster heart rate, stronger focus with ability to 'tune out' distractions, higher pain tolerances, flushed skin and often a euphoric state, just to name a few.
Eventually your body begins to calm and these levels begin to drop off, just as during sexual play it is often referred to as "afterglow". As these levels drop you begin to 'come down', often times as you become more aware of your body you may realize you're suddenly famished, thirsty, exhausted or exhilarated.
Usually this is where 'after-care' comes into play, however while 'after-care' can directly impact on how strongly one may experience 'sub-drop', it is not necessarily a prevention for such a thing happening.
Manifestations of 'sub-drop' are varying and may include, but are not limited to; anxiety, feelings of guilt, feelings of loss, loneliness, sadness, general depression, crying, lethargy, dizziness, imbalance, loss of physical co-ordination, fear without rationality, insomnia, sleepiness, paranoia, feelings of isolation or wanting to be isolated, questioning their intentions within the scene or with their partner, a need for affirmation, feelings of self-hatred, self-consciousness, loss of appetite, inability to concentrate, headaches, body aches.
Sub-Drop can occur immediately or several days after the scene and the symptoms may continue to show themselves for several days. There is no rule for this.
So now that we have an idea of what it is, how do we deal with it?
Again there's no easy answer to this. It is one of the major reasons that I do not recommend public play or online play. While the scene may be highly enjoyable by both parties, often it is done so causally there is no thought to repercussions AFTER the party is over or one logs off.
The first major factor in lessening ( I won't use the word preventing as it's not always possible) is to be sure to take the appropriate steps during the scene and after-care. (If you are unsure of after-care, please stop here and look up the meaning of after-care)
During the scene remember to communicate with your partner, ask them questions even if they can not verbally respond. Tell them they are doing well, direct them where necessary, and guide them. Do not assume they know exactly what you want and how. Do not assume that lack of verbal communication on their part means they do not need feedback from you.
In your efforts during after-care, continue the communication. After a scene containing bondage play, I find releasing the limbs and slowly allowing them back into normal position, and gentle massage to return blood flow key in preventing body aches and strains later on. As an example, most often as Top I will move their limbs for them, very slowly so they may continue to leave the muscles lax until I can massage out the built up acids and return blood flow. As a bottom I find it crucial to have my partner do this.
Keeping in contact with your partner after the scene, is the second major step in lessening the impact of 'sub-drop'. Often communication alone can lessen or ease the emotional elements of sub-drop.
Until you know exactly what is required to aid your partner through this time of need, do the most general of things. It certainly can not harm you or your partner to let them know that you are thankful they shared such a scene with you, that they are cared about, listened to, and are important.
Often times it is difficult for a bottom to express their needs and wants during 'sub-drop'. In such cases the above rule is your best way to go until they recover and are able to reflect back upon the experience.
Even in the most causal of relationships it is not difficult to touch base once or twice a day, for 2-3 days after a scene. I often hear how impossible that is for a Dominant, or excuses as to why they could not. But the overwhelming fact is, if it's too difficult to put aside 10 minutes a day to ensure someone's mental and emotional health, you shouldn't have participated in the scene at all.
Allowing your partner the patience and communication necessary to aid in 'sub-drop' is often directly related to the length and depth of a relationship between Top and bottom.
Specific methods of easing the symptoms of 'sub-drop' depend upon the person and I can merely give you personal examples at this point.
When I experience 'sub-drop' some of the effects are immediate, the final stages occur approx. 36 hours after the scene.

Immediate symptoms include feelings of guilt, embarrassment, in ability to properly express myself verbally, and self-isolation. I need to discuss the scene with my partner, and find reassurance both that it went well and reassurance of their emotions towards me. (Note: if the scene did NOT go well, now is NOT the time to discuss it)
Within the next 24 hours, I continue to self-isolate and quickly find myself in an emotional and physical state of exhaustion. At extreme times I find myself unable to concentrate, I become forgetful, indecisive, and completely unfocused. Usually I am also rather unbalanced and feeling dizzy. Similar to if I were drinking, indeed to outward appearance I may even appear that way. Again as I continue to come down I need some reassurances in general as I may be feeling rather lonely and have paranoid feelings of how they might react to me in the future or towards another scene.
If my needs are met within that 36 hours I find myself once again feeling 'normal' and often energized. If these needs have not been met then I slide from 'sub-drop' directly into a more lasting depression.
I have never returned to the same partner if I feel they have not been able to aid me during 'sub-drop'. I have ended relationships because my needs were not met during this period and frankly, I encourage anyone who goes through 'sub-drop' alone to either educate their partner or seriously re-evaluate their relationship with their partner.
'Sub-drop' is NOT an issue to be taken lightly. I am saddened to say, but there have been cases of 'sub-drop' related suicides.

Sincerely.
Silver




pineapplesub -> RE: Sub Drop (9/16/2006 1:29:08 PM)

Thank you both for the comments.  Do you mind if I save the article to show to my Dominant? 

~val~




Silvermoon -> RE: Sub Drop (9/16/2006 1:30:47 PM)

By all means val, just please keep my name in the article as writer. (I do have a copy right on this, but it was written to share with others, should they think it useful)

Best of luck, and if you need to talk, please feel free to drop an email.

Sincerely
Silver




diamonddreamlove -> RE: Sub Drop (9/17/2006 1:43:02 AM)

Remembering my first sub drop and not knowing what it was.  It is great that you have shared the info and my only complaint is i didn't get to read it BEFORE i got to experience it.  I have been lucky only had it once and so far no reoccurrence although i am sure at some point it will hit again.   Thanks again for sharing.




Rumtiger -> RE: Sub Drop (9/17/2006 3:29:52 AM)

Whats with all these terms and need for articles for something like this?

You went somewhere, you had a good time and enjoyed yourself, you had to leave.

feeling how you do isent some special lifestyle related feeling, its normal human function.

Sometimes theres shit in this world that dosent need to be looked so closely upon you know?

-Tiger.




ChainedExistence -> RE: Sub Drop (9/17/2006 5:02:21 AM)

Tiger, I have to disagree. I have plenty of experiences where I had a good time, and had to leave, and felt nothing like this. Don't go all Tom Cruise and dismiss its existence. I never left a family party and felt disoriented or disconnected. I never left a day at the lake and questioned my worth to my friends. I never left a night out with friends and came home unable to think rationally, or crying without reason. Maybe you've never experienced it or had a sub who did, but plenty of us know these feelings well. The combination of heavy physical/emotional scenes have to be doing SOMETHING to your body and your mind beyond the immediate reaction. Why does that seem so implausible to you?




LaTigresse -> RE: Sub Drop (9/17/2006 5:10:57 AM)

Tiger I have to say that I agree with Chained most definately. You may go into your play very physical and perhaps mental and not have it affect you emotionally at all. You still need to remember that for others it is a very emotionally intense thing and to be blunt, it can really fuck a person up, if they and their partner/s are not prepared to handle it well.

AND I swear if you go all Tom Cruise on us, I will have to bitch slap you clear into next year dammit!!![:D]




Rumtiger -> RE: Sub Drop (9/17/2006 5:11:12 AM)

I am a sub.

And I dident say its implausible and non existant, I said its normal. All thats going on is giving a name to something which is a basic human emotion. In your case, its called satisfaction.

In her case shes talking about feeling depressed after having to leave her dom while they are both in a long distance relationship.

Its simple, if you dont wanna leave, but you gotta, your not exactly gonna be feeling too good. I'm friggin speakin in yogi berra tounge here.

And if I was going Tom Cruise i'd be trying to recruit you into worhshipping aliens and a drunk fanboy writer while saying meds are the bane of the human race.

But since i'm an atheist I cant do that.





LaTigresse -> RE: Sub Drop (9/17/2006 5:14:23 AM)

Some people don't know it's normal nor to expect it and how to handle it. I think that is why you see the issue come up alot.

I like the typed accent by the way...[;)]




Rumtiger -> RE: Sub Drop (9/17/2006 5:16:30 AM)

I talk through my fingers...Vegasans are actually starting to develop our own accent now.




talibahh -> RE: Sub Drop (9/17/2006 5:26:09 AM)

an excellent article Silver and very informative and useful. Thank you for sharing [:)]
 
tali




ChainedExistence -> RE: Sub Drop (9/17/2006 5:39:48 AM)

What if they were hot aliens? Would you worship them then? Only teasing about that, and I would have to agree with you what she might be feeling is exactly what you said..a normal reaction to having to leave a fun time, but there are plenty of other reactions that aren't as easily explained. I've been left alone after some scenes and been perfectly fine, and looking forward to the next time. Other times he or I would leave and there would be residual effects for days later. I could hardly get out of bed, I wanted to see no one, speak to no one. I didn't eat, I didn't sleep. That's not a run of the mill effect that " anyone" would have after a fun time out. I could have been perfectly happy about the way a particular scene went, had plenty of loving aftercare, but then I'd have some totally unexpected response later. So, why would one time produce little or no effect, and other times trigger some intense reaction? All I can think is that there must be some physical or emotional element that triggers it, and of course, that's human..but maybe limited to a few select activities. I think of giving birth and wars that can trigger certain forms of depression. They obviously don't occur for everyone who gives birth or who goes to war, yet most people (TC aside) who believe those were the triggers. Maybe it's because of the particular physical/emotional makeup of the person involved, maybe it's a very particular event, timing, chemical release, whatever...but something triggers it, and in a somewhat random, arbitrary way. So, if lots of people involved in BDSM have noticed a similar effect, I don't think it's such a stretch to think there is something about the combination of the activity and the person involved that is different from the day to day sad feelings that anyone has.




marieToo -> RE: Sub Drop (9/17/2006 5:48:30 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: pineapplesub

I have been seeing the same Dominant (long distance) for some time now.  I have found that always immediately after I leave, I become depressed and moody. 
~val~


If it happens right after you leave, my guess is that its the same type of 'down' that some people experience after the holiday season is over, or after a vacation is over.  You were with someone who makes you feel happy, excited, etc. Then its over and time to go home....The party is over.   I think it has little or nothing to do with being a sub.  I wouldnt call this sub-drop at all. Its simply a very normal emotional occurance in human beings, when we feel the contrast from going to something that makes us feel very happy back to feeling 'ordinary' again.

I think TNstepsout had some very good suggestions.  Maybe your Dominant could give you something to do, to make you still feel attached to him or still feel like you are with him even when you're not physically there.




Rumtiger -> RE: Sub Drop (9/17/2006 5:54:12 AM)

Well then I think in this case to determine if this was the normal feelings or the...well... fucked up shit you went through Ma'am, the OP needs to tell a little more of what she was going through.

As for the aliens, i've had that dream before, they tried to eat me with thier acre wide vaginas dripping acid.

A side effect of some of my more...exotic culinary adventures.




ChainedExistence -> RE: Sub Drop (9/17/2006 6:40:41 AM)

An acre wide??? Sure you didn't dream you fell in?




Rumtiger -> RE: Sub Drop (9/17/2006 6:45:15 AM)

I think I did.

If you ever eat Cambodian food, do not eat anything smaller than a nickel.




OhReallyNow -> RE: Sub Drop (9/17/2006 6:51:43 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: pineapplesub

I have been seeing the same Dominant (long distance) for some time now.  I have found that always immediately after I leave, I become depressed and moody.  I guess the first thing I am asking is, is this what sub drop is?  I've seen the phrase tossed around, but never with a definition attached to it, really.  And secondly, what can I do to prevent and/or minimalize the effects?  Any suggestions would be appreciated.

~val~

Master and this slave do not live together; we are almost 2 hours apart from each other. when Master leaves this slave's house to return to his own, she always goes through her stages of depression and anxiety. This slave has learned that the best way to deal with those emotions is to talk to Master about them.
quote:

  
Whats with all these terms and need for articles for something like this?

You went somewhere, you had a good time and enjoyed yourself, you had to leave.

feeling how you do isent some special lifestyle related feeling, its normal human function.

Sometimes theres shit in this world that dosent need to be looked so closely upon you know?

-Tiger.



this slave has never felt the same depth of emotion for family and friends that she feels for Master. the REGRET that she feels when leaving family is in no way equal to the emotion that she feels when seperated from Master.




Sunshine119 -> RE: Sub Drop (9/17/2006 8:56:33 AM)

I'm going to go with tiger on this one.  I have often thought "Subdrop" was no more than being taken out of the ordinary for a short time, then having to go home, alone, to face the reality of every day life.

I have felt this after going on retreat.....then having to come off the mountaintop to rejoin my regular, by comparison, depressing life. 

I have felt this, in the time before my Dom and I lived together.  After he would leave, the let down of being alone and ordinary again was upsetting.

I have experienced this after going on vacation to a far away place or on a cruise, only to come home again and having to wash my own dishes again.  And this was AFTER we had moved in together.

JMHO,
Sunshine




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