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mistoferin -> RE: Play Rape? Thoughts, experiences... (1/13/2005 11:53:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: roughleather Play rape works best with tough, athletic women who aren't afraid to play rough. Ones who enjoy wrestling and contact sports. Women who say "Think you can make me?" Not ones who say "I've been reading romance novels and have always fantasized about this". I've known several women who were into it and could handle it. Tough, competitive types, unafraid of a fight. Most women can't handle it. Best way to find out is to have a good rough wrestling match. If that turns her on and doesn't scare her off, you may have a winner. I would certainly not recommend this as your acid test. I can tell you that for myself I am no demure china doll. I am in no way afraid to play rough and actually supported myself (quite well I might add) for a few years in my life fighting for money. It mattered not to me if my competitor was man or woman and I do believe that although I may not have won every fight, every competitor walked away knowing that they had definitely been in one. I think a woman's physical strength has very little to do with whether or not she would care to consent to this form of "play".

seductiveMale -> RE: Play Rape? Thoughts, experiences... (1/13/2005 7:28:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: inadazey I've had an interest in doing a rape scenario, but was never with anyone I trusted enough to act it out with until my current Master. I imagine it's something we'll do, so I'd be really interested in hearing others' (Dom/me or sub) experience with and feelings about it. And, I have a lot of questions. :) If you're doing a realistic rape scenario (fighting, etc), how do you make sure neither party gets unintentionally hurt? Does either the dom/me or sub ever get too carried away/caught up in it? If you don't use safewords, would you make an exception for this? How realistic does it feel, and can you do anything to make it more or less realistic? Do you plan any of it out beforehand? Can it be an upsetting experience for either person, and is there anything you can do to prevent that from happening? I'm supposing it's different for everyone who does it, which is one reason I'm really interested in hearing personal experiences. If it's something you do/have done, do/did you really enjoy it? Could you say why or why not? If you haven't done it, do you want to? Sorry for the "twenty questions" post :) but I'd really like to know firsthand thoughts and experiences with it. When I think about it, it feels kind of like before playing with a new toy... excitement and nervousness. Anyway, I'd really appreciate any input y'all can give me. Thanks! :) ~daisy~ I am going to go back to the original question. First yes this is possible but I do not think anyone has given you this opinion yet so I will. I have participated in this 5 times, 4 successful, 1 I had to halt. The first thing to understand is that to perform a realistic play rape scenerio you have to also be interest in a kidnap situation, without it it is simply not real. Second the only part that is discussed are the overall limits, the general time frame and the most difficult side that while pictures may be exchanged, they also may not be exchanged both ways. The last time I did this was with a woman near philadelphia. She is a student at a college near the city, she desired to find out what rape felt like, after 4 chats I agreed to do so, this was last spring and in conversation with her she indicated that everytime she had a 3 day weekend she escaped to a cottage she inherited in delaware, July 4th weekend she would available and she would arrange that noone would expect to see her. We discussed what her schedule would be the week prior, her hard limits, and any allergies. Other than that all was open. She was expecting something to happen Independence Day Weekend. On May 22nd I went to Delaware and rented a house near the Maryland Delaware line, a farmhouse on 60 acres of land in the middle of nowhere. I placed items in the house I would need and stocked the kitchen appropriately. I left my car there and rented a dark crown victoria with dark glass. I placed builders plastic in the trunk. One week later I followed "susan" out of her last class at her college, she got into her car and drove south, I was a few cars behind her. I knew where she was going so I was not concerned with losing her, but in truth I needed to pass her once I was sure she was headed straight south. We had not chatted for a few days and she was still planning memorial day weekend when we had. She said it was going to be a wierd weekend knowing that in a few weeks, the next time she was there, well that something else would be happening, this Memorial day weekend she was just going to rest, and buy some climbers rope I had asked her to pickup. She stopped in Wilmington to fill her tank and get a sandwich, I stoppped at the same station and filled my tank, got some food, even nodded to her online. She never knew. As we traveled south I made sure to stay out of sight, as you might be able to tell, I had done this before. Another half an hour it was getting dark. I passed her, she never noticed. I got to her cottage a little over an hour later, she had been traveling at 50, I had been doing and even 80, I had at least a half an hour. I put the car next to the garage, backed it in, turned off the lights. Waited. She pulled up about 20 minutes later. Parked in front of the door, got out, put to bags in her hands, put a book under her left arm. She got out and walked to the door, she noticed the light was out and cursed under her breath. I was behind her, quiet as a mouse. I put my right arm around her pinning her right arm to her body, I wrapped my left arm around her at an angle with my left hand over mouth, I whispered to her that if she wanted to survive she should not fight me, if she did she would never forget it. She dropped her bags. In a few moments I had her blindfolded and gagged, a few more she was bound and in the trunk of my car. I took her dropped bags and put them in my car, I took her keys and put them in her truck and locked the truck doors, I put the porch light back in so that it was on. I left. I drove to my rented house. She was about to be raped, 3 days, she did not know this was what she had asked for. I obeyed her hard limits. I never identified myself. When it was done I brought her back to the neighborhood of her cottage at night on Monday and dropped her off. 4 days later I saw her online on yahoo, asked her how her weekend was, she replied that she no longer wished to do the kidnap rape scene, I said that is fine, I wished her well. A week later I sent her a book that had been in her cottage, told her she was very cute and satisfying. She wrote me a note afterwards thanking me for being kind at times and not hurting her, she didnt know at the time that she was safe, she experienced what she wanted, but she would never say it out loud again. It is possible, it just needs to be planned carefully by someone who knows what they are doing. Good Luck in finding what you seek.

liljoy -> RE: Play Rape? Thoughts, experiences... (1/13/2005 7:51:29 PM)
WOW too many emotions going on in me now. i'll process a little bit before responding. Except to say that you are lucky she didn't call the cops and press charges

mistoferin -> RE: Play Rape? Thoughts, experiences... (1/13/2005 7:59:50 PM)
[/quote] It is possible, it just needs to be planned carefully by someone who knows what they are doing. [/quote] I wonder if you really understand just exactly what it was you did. I have a feeling not.... and without ongoing contact with her there is no way for you to fully know. You seem to feel that according to the reaction she had following your "play" that you described, this was indicative of a successful scene. I however, read something very different. Not only do I think that there were many risky, downright irresponsible components to your actions(a bound woman in the trunk of your car!!!), I think that your post is a perfect example of how NOT to conduct such "play". It will be interesting when your profile becomes viewable to see if you consider yourself to be Safe, Sane and Consensual.

proudsub -> RE: Play Rape? Thoughts, experiences... (1/13/2005 8:43:12 PM)
I don't consider that a consensual scene and i agree you are very lucky she didn't go to the cops.

harmony3709 -> RE: Play Rape? Thoughts, experiences... (1/13/2005 9:09:20 PM)
Agree with the above posters...........totally. This was nonconsensual, obviously. A prearranged scene is not the same as an unarranged kidnapping and rape. I can't being to even think how she must feel, not to mention lack of trust of anyone in the future. harmony

willing2serve -> RE: Play Rape? Thoughts, experiences... (1/13/2005 9:59:04 PM)
I do like the term "wrestled control" instead of play rape...I dont even know how you could or would be successful at play rape because of willingness. I would like to share with you an unbelievable experience I had in "wrestled control". This is where my self-discovery and search for understanding my physical and mental desires began. This was the start of the domino effect for me in igniting my passion and cravings for learning more. This happened about 3 1/2 years ago.... I was a new chatter to yahoo...like a kid in a candy store...learned all the do's, dont's and abbreviated terms for chat (smile)...I met this one older gentleman in particular that we extremely hit it off. We continued chatting for over a year (believe me, some hott conversations). He found it unusual that I never asked for a picture...to me at the time, it wasnt very important. (at this point, I didnt know ppl could lie in chat..lol).... Well, we decided to meet...after all of this time chatting, hours, days, weeks, months, it wasnt for coffee (smile). This was the first time EVER that I had met a stranger that I knew (i knew all of his details of home and work and verified he was who he said he was) and certainly didnt know what he looked like. For our first meet, I told him the first five minutes he could touch me any where he wanted, he had full permission, but after five minutes it was my decision to stop or move forward. (now remember, at this point I had no clue about bdsm, D/s , none of these terms did I know) I just know I always had the likings for unusual things.... The day finally came when we were to meet....I had given five minutes of permission, so he decided we would meet at a hotel parking lot that way if the five minutes lasted longer we wouldnt have far to go (smile)...Since I didnt know what he looked like...he told me where to drive to and park my car...he wanted me to leave the back door open and put a blindfold on..well my curiosity has always prevailed over fear..So i did it...pulled into the exact spot...put the blindfold on...and as I waited I could hear my heartbeat...my back door opened and then I heard "hello beautiful" I knew it was him, such comfort to hear his words because all of this year of chatting and phone thats all I heard was his voice...he closed the car door behind him and i heard the car doors lock. He reached in the front and I heard him grab my keys, he put one of his arms around my neck and began ripping my blouse open with the other hand, fondling my breast...squeezing, tugging pulling, he pulled me from the front seat into the back with him, some lovely rough play ensued, here this known stranger is fondling, handling me, among other things (wont go into graphic detail, but let your imagination take you there). Then he lifted the blindfold for our real introduction and a kiss. That was the closest that I came to "wrestled control" play and also he is the person that sparked my interest in learning and exploring more, my window into where I am now. Needless to say, those five minutes of full permission became nine hours that day and there was an audience we realized later in the parking lot, just so glad we didnt have a meet and greet with a blue light (BIG SMILE) Even today, I dont know how to invoke another scene that would bring on those feelings, but I can enjoy the memories of that experience.

ravenna -> RE: Play Rape? Thoughts, experiences... (1/13/2005 10:02:43 PM)
Wait, isn't this the "Ask a sub/slave" department? Not to be snarky, but if inadazey had wanted to ask masters, i'm sure she could have gotten a hundred variations on the theme of "how she really dug it when I raped her." With all respect, seductivemale, maybe she dug the hell out of it, but i agree that by going off-plan the trust factor was stretched razor thin, maybe past the breaking point, in your scary escapade. It sounds like she won't trust it to happen again, so maybe you went a little too far? The whole point of my little rape memoir, and i seem to recall i did have a point once, was that i was lucky that it didn't make me unable to trust a man to take total control of me sexually, as it does to many women, maybe just the opposite (illogical, but so it goes). If it had, i think play-rape (and a lot of other scary stuff i love) would just flip me out, it would be way off the menu. (Sounds like it's off his girl's menu now for good...) And back to inadazey's question: Can you, all you subs and slaves, really enjoy play-rape? My personal answer is OH YES, darling, it's like being trapped inside a sexy, scary movie playing the beautiful victim instead of just watching it happen, and if it goes right NOTHING is up to you, you're completely innocent, you're under his total control, but the crucial difference between play and the real thing is that i have to be able to TRUST my owner to get me through it to the happy ending. Without the trust it could be a nightmare (like the one seductivemale engineered -- or much worse). (And my last word (maybe) as Ravenna, Defender of Rapists: To get my long-ago date-rapist off the hook with all the lawyers, i'm hereby granting him Retroactive Consent and a Full Pardon, which is really what i did later that night when he was going, "I'm sorry, baby, you're so beautiful, i just couldn't help myself, blah blah blah," and i was going, "i forgive you, baby, now do me again." i'd been beaming the signal YES YES YES YES YES at him all night at full volume, so it wasn't too shocking to me, once i got over being scared and pissed off, that the NO at the end got drowned out. Besides, he sent me roses the next day, so i'm dropping all the charges, Your Honor, honey...)

perverseangelic -> RE: Play Rape? Thoughts, experiences... (1/14/2005 12:06:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: roughleather Play rape works best with tough, athletic women who aren't afraid to play rough. Ones who enjoy wrestling and contact sports. Women who say "Think you can make me?" Not ones who say "I've been reading romance novels and have always fantasized about this". I've known several women who were into it and could handle it. Tough, competitive types, unafraid of a fight. Most women can't handle it. Best way to find out is to have a good rough wrestling match. If that turns her on and doesn't scare her off, you may have a winner. Well, maybe that works best for you, but that's too sweeping a generalization. I am by far not an athletic type. Play rape is fun. I think it's fun because we have the trust going such that I can fight and resist and know I'm safe. Also, not all play rape is about actual violent force. Some is about, say, knife play or gun play. It can be about surprise. Heck, it can even be about drug play (date rape play? chlorophorm?) Some people like violence. But only some. To say that it works best, period, isn't always a good idea. Perhaps this works best for you, but is by no means representative of all those who enjoy rape play.

liljoy -> RE: Play Rape? Thoughts, experiences... (1/14/2005 6:20:14 AM)
well CONGRATULATIONS you have figured out how to be a rapist ,not only without guilt but feeling that you are doing some kind of public service. Have you tried to keep in touch with any of these girls? i'm thinking not for then you might see the damage you created. Have any of them told you what a wonderful scene it was? DOUBTFUL. i wouldn't post last night because of the terrible sadness i felt for your survivors and the violent anger i felt at you for not only doing it but also feeling good enough about it to brag about it on this board. It has been a very long time since i'd felt that kind of anger and it's not something that i enjoy. i am controlling myself now. if you do read these replies please have enough guts to tell us why we are wrong in the way we are seeing it. Pearonally i would love to be wrong this time lil_joy I am going to go back to the original question. First yes this is possible but I do not think anyone has given you this opinion yet so I will. I have participated in this 5 times, 4 successful, 1 I had to halt. A week later I sent her a book that had been in her cottage, told her she was very cute and satisfying. She wrote me a note afterwards thanking me for being kind at times and not hurting her, she didnt know at the time that she was safe, she experienced what she wanted, but she would never say it out loud again. It is possible, it just needs to be planned carefully by someone who knows what they are doing. Good Luck in finding what you seek. [/quote]

Quivver -> RE: Play Rape? Thoughts, experiences... (1/14/2005 4:08:19 PM)
**Play rape works best with tough, athletic women who aren't afraid to play rough. Ones who enjoy wrestling and contact sports. Women who say "Think you can make me?"*** Humm, Roughleather I guess so far I am the only one in agreement with you. Before I had much of an understanding of D/s (still learning, but I wont make the same mistake again that I'm about to tell) I was head over heals crazy about this Man I was seeing. He possessed a Dominant personality that I found Myself quite taken with. He gave me my first experience's into bondage, or to use the term he did, "a little kinky". I had always been more on the athletic side then the normal female. strong and a wee bit competitive I found his Soldiers build to tempting and I wanted to play hard. (ok yes I too have been raped, but drugged, so memories are extremely vague) Anyway..... I hoped one day that he'd take me expecting me to struggle. I was disappointed in always being treated like a China Doll. So one day while he was watching Television I jumped on his chest, play slapped his face a few times, knowing I was pushing buttons to produce just what I was after. When I saw the flash in his eyes, I leapt off and ran knowing or at least hoping for the outcome I had wanted. The struggle was all I hoped for and a bit more, beginning with being somewhat airborne and aimed at the couch to 10 minutes later finding myself bound with my own panties. Grrrrr, I miss him! [:(] So I seem to be one of those few that have that "Think you can make me" mind set sometimes. Yet now, I try so hard to quell that Brat.

FelinePersuasion -> RE: Play Rape? Thoughts, experiences... (5/20/2005 5:20:57 PM)
There are waaaaaaaay to many things wrong to list with the dominant who kidnaped the lady ahead of schedual. I would of called the cops if I was that submissive, And I sure in the hell wouldn't thank him for being "gentle" when he said it was him who raped me. And second off it's very dangerous to put som eone in the trunk of a car, I agree. If someone does do a consentual kidnap rape dureing the schedualed time, get a van if you don't have one already. The trunk of a car is just is not safe enough smart enough or SSC. He w*ould of had a hell of a time explaining that if she'd dieed or gotten hurt.

Lepidoptera -> RE: Play Rape? Thoughts, experiences... (5/20/2005 9:24:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SwitchNCgal quote: I felt that I could never trust Him again. I don't blame you and if i were in your position i may have even called the police becasue that is called "date rape" and is still illegeal. Unfortunately, the defense would have a field day with her sexual preferences. Heck, men get off for rape all the time because the woman is known to be promiscuous so of course it was consensual... I have a feeling that if she pressed charges it would be a nightmare.

Lepidoptera -> RE: Play Rape? Thoughts, experiences... (5/20/2005 9:45:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Quivver **Play rape works best with tough, athletic women who aren't afraid to play rough. Ones who enjoy wrestling and contact sports. Women who say "Think you can make me?"*** I hoped one day that he'd take me expecting me to struggle. I was disappointed in always being treated like a China Doll. So one day while he was watching Television I jumped on his chest, play slapped his face a few times, knowing I was pushing buttons to produce just what I was after. When I saw the flash in his eyes, I leapt off and ran knowing or at least hoping for the outcome I had wanted. The struggle was all I hoped for and a bit more, beginning with being somewhat airborne and aimed at the couch to 10 minutes later finding myself bound with my own panties. Grrrrr, I miss him! [:(] So I seem to be one of those few that have that "Think you can make me" mind set sometimes. Yet now, I try so hard to quell that Brat. You know, I'm not particularily tough or athletic but I'm a natural born escape artist. I know how all the joints bend and where all the squishy bits are : ). The best play rape sex I've ever had was with a Master with a third degree black belt in kung fu. I would never do a play kidnap and rape scene with someone I didn't know, because I find that just too dangerous to justify doing, but in a sense ALL the sex I have is really watered down play rape. Since I find sex generally painful, I whimper, and when it really hurts I try to allievate the pain best I can, and that means struggling a bit. With my former Master, we had "consensual" sex about twice- and neither of us came or found it particularily satisfying (which was why, out of an entire year, it was only twice). So I have a question for all you subs/slaves out there... what kind of sex do you normally have with your Master/Mistress?

EmeraldSlave2 -> RE: Play Rape? Thoughts, experiences... (5/21/2005 6:48:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lepidoptera So I have a question for all you subs/slaves out there... what kind of sex do you normally have with your Master/Mistress? With the Owner it's almost exclusively oral, he enjoys those skills and feelings the best, it's how he most wants to use me sexually and he enjoys the humiliation of knowing I simultaneously adore giving it and want more and denying it with him. But it's pretty consensual, no struggling. With the boyfriend we do struggling/rape play about half the time.

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