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LadyEllen -> past lives (9/19/2006 6:27:51 AM)

Last night here in the 51st state, we had a very interesting documentary on TV about a boy in Scotland whose memories of a past life were backed up by a visit to the place he claimed to have lived before. A researcher from the University of Virginia accompanied the family - the boy knew so much about the remote island where his previous life memories were placed, it was uncanny.

It got me to thinking of something that might be similar. I have this picture in my head of a beach, and on that beach there are small, walled enclosures, with the side facing the land left open. These are meant to catch fish in them as the tide goes out. I live as far from the sea as one can get in the UK, and have never seen anything like these enclosures either in person or on the TV, but I know exactly what they look like and what they are for. Sadly, I dont know any more than that though.

Is anyone here able to tell me, whether such enclosures are used anywhere in the world or were used at some time?

Otherwise, does anyone else here have such strange "memories" that they cant explain - or does anyone here know they have memories from a past life?
E

PS - and before certain people (yes you know who you are!) start up with the "I was Cleopatra / Napoleon etc" stuff - this is meant to be serious!




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: past lives (9/19/2006 6:29:27 AM)

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LadyEllen -> RE: past lives (9/19/2006 6:36:07 AM)

Ohhh!! LA, stop spoiling my fun LOL! I asked about past lives, not past threads!

But thanks - will take a look anyway!
E




KenDckey -> RE: past lives (9/19/2006 6:38:46 AM)

rofl   I can't help with you dream but I thought Puerto Rico was the 51st state, Mexico was the 52d and that would may you in the 53d state   rofl




meatcleaver -> RE: past lives (9/19/2006 6:56:49 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

It got me to thinking of something that might be similar. I have this picture in my head of a beach, and on that beach there are small, walled enclosures, with the side facing the land left open. These are meant to catch fish in them as the tide goes out. I live as far from the sea as one can get in the UK, and have never seen anything like these enclosures either in person or on the TV, but I know exactly what they look like and what they are for. Sadly, I dont know any more than that though.



If I remember right and I warn you I could be wrong, my memory has faded somewhat but I'm sure there are ancient fish farms in Scotland that look similar to what you describe.

There has been a similar series of programmes on Dutch TV about past lives where people described where they used to live and actually drew sketches and maps of  places. Many places had changed but researching in archives found that the maps to be correct at the time they claimed. One person who was traced back to 18th century Vienna and said he had never been there in his life could name his neighbours. The research was long and involved but he was right and the evidence was found in documents that hadn't been viewed for the best part of 100 years and the subject would have had to have done some considerable research and planning to have made the story up. Fascinating. However, no one in the series changed culture or race. This brings me to another documentry on I saw on TV about cellular memory. Apparently people who have had heart and lung transplants have experienced memories and tastes of the person they have had the transplant from and caused speculation about inherited memory and the mind not being limited to the brain.




LadyEllen -> RE: past lives (9/19/2006 7:06:23 AM)

LA - thanks for those listings; the first in itself is wonderful - seems it was on about the time I joined, so not sure how I missed it, though I only read the first few pages so maybe I'm in there somewhere!

As I read, I recalled some other weird stuff;

As I said, I live far from the sea, right in the middle of England. I travel a lot for work and have been all over. Only in one place have I had the feeling that I know the place - and that was on the east coast (Ipswich/Felixstowe). I somehow just knew the place, it felt like home (real home), and more than that, the people (even with their Suffolk accents) seemed to be familiar to me in the way they looked.

But more frighteningly, I recalled something else that I'm not proud of and find very disturbing, having never met any of these people and knowing little about them. (Now this is bound to get this thread going!)

I have an inexplicable and quite unwarranted subconcious hatred (thats the only word I can find), for orthodox Jewish males - the ones with the hats, beards, suits and ringlets. It disturbs me greatly, as - as I hope some will witness here of me - I am no nazi and in concious thought I have no real feelings about them at all, either way. OK I'm not exactly pro-Israeli policy either, but ordinary Jewish people I find good friends to have and they stir nothing in me but friendly admiration. I have to emphasise, the feelings of hatred I feel for orthodox Jewish males seems purely instinctual, it springs up at the mere sight of them, and its only when its happened that I think, what the hell is this about and regain some sense of balance. Its not that they dress differently - crikey, I'm surrounded by Muslims where I live and they dont spark anything in me. Its not that I have had a bad experience with these people - I've never even talked to one. Its pure, inexplicable instinctual and baseless hatred.

Does this mean I was some awful person who abused Jewish people in the past? Even that thought disturbs me, even though in this life I can honestly say I not only couldnt, but wouldnt harm anyone in that way.
E




LadyEllen -> RE: past lives (9/19/2006 7:08:24 AM)

MC - thanks for that. I really ought to do some research on it I know, but CM takes all my time! What a thought though, me being Scottish........!

E




Rule -> RE: past lives (9/19/2006 7:16:40 AM)

I was also considering the fishing method Scottish, like perhaps Orknean, but did not have any justification. Perhaps, a long time ago, I saw a program on television about it.
 
It may have been that you in a previous life were married to a jewish man?
 
I do not have memories of a previous life. Perhaps I had some when I was a very small child, but if so, I have forgotten them.
 
I have always been a matter of fact kind of person - though I am open to anything unusual.




LadyEllen -> RE: past lives (9/19/2006 7:27:26 AM)

Another strange one.............. I know that German as a language is fairly easy to learn, as many words are similar to English. But when I started German at school, I just found it so easy because it seemed so familiar; more like I was being reminded of it, rather than learning it.

Rule - thanks for the lead on Orkney. Maybe thats why so much Norse stuff means so much so easily to me?

E




DreamWalkr -> RE: past lives (9/19/2006 7:56:08 AM)

As a Native woman.....having past lives seems natural.  That it takes more than one lifetime to learn and evolve as a spiritual being.

And ancient memories could possibly be triggering who we are today, and why we act the way we do sometimes....for no apparent reason.

Sort of like how those who have a natural desire to serve, and adore feet....could be carrying those inner memories that are from times when he or she did serve....and because their eyes were never allowed to look upward......it was the feet they saw and worshipped.
Just a thought.

I do know of certain types of fish traps used by my people in interior Alaska that sound similar to what you are talking about.  But I would imagine the coastal people had ones that worked in the ocean as well.  They were more like "wooden" walls made from poles and weaving, or rock walled enclosures. The idea was the same...to have an opening facing the beach and luring them into the trap with no way out when the tide went down.




MasterFireMaam -> RE: past lives (9/19/2006 8:29:12 AM)

Look at information about fish traps, such as what's found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishing#Fish_traps
There's also a book about the subject of past lives and children called "Old Souls" that detail several documented cases like what you saw on the program.
I remember past lives. I was never anyone of historical importance, or at least enough to record my name, from what I currently recall. Places I remember:
Egypt, Japan (late 1200s), various fields of battle opposing Charlemagne (late 700s), various places in the desert riding in a trading caravan on the Silk Road (early 200s), Tibet (unknown...I was a monk), Scotland (early 1700s), “Wild West” of America (mid 1800s),  Germany (WWII) and other various scenes. I know that there is a house that I will visit in this lifetime (I dreamed about it as a child). It’s white, red roof and there’s either a grain silo or light house attached or near by. It’s on a cliff over the ocean and the winters are fairly long. I’ve lived there before, I feel.   Master Fire




windy135 -> RE: past lives (9/19/2006 9:11:20 AM)

Interesting post.  I'm not sure about the fishing stuff but I believe I have had revalations of a past life.  I can remember learning about Martin Luther King Jr in grade school and I was so caught up in him.  When watching a movie on his life I can remember feeling so sad, happy, and proud.  It wasn't until much later in my life that I can remember having a dream.  This dream is still clear as day I'm walking down a city street with my wife and our baby.  We actually run into Martin Luther King Jr. in front of a store and I shake his hand.  I know him.  This dream makes me think that maybe I was that man in my dream.  Anywho it was interesting non the less.  :)




jesskitty -> RE: past lives (9/19/2006 9:19:46 AM)

the past life topic comes up in alot of spiritual/paganesque groups i'm apart of. the anserw that's given the most that can help you find what you are seeking is meditation.





Lashra -> RE: past lives (9/19/2006 10:02:49 AM)

I have always had a compelling draw to Moscow precommunist era. I look at pictures taken in the late 1890's to early 1900's I feel almost as if thats home and when I hear the language it almost seems oh so familiar to me. I have read so many books about Russia during that era because its almost a compulsion. So yes I do believe in past lives. That feeling of deja vu over sounds, sights, smells of things we've never experienced before happens to everyone I do think.

~Lashra




LotusSong -> RE: past lives (9/19/2006 12:31:11 PM)

<<PS - and before certain people (yes you know who you are!) start up with the "I was Cleopatra / Napoleon etc" stuff - this is meant to be serious!>>

DAMN you WOMAN! ...(wandering off muttering.. skuffing the dust before her feet...)
 
 
I do get unexplainable emotional reactions to certain things.  Anything about Gettysburg or the Holocaust, just  hits me at a very viceral level.




raiken -> RE: past lives (9/19/2006 1:35:54 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

This brings me to another documentry on I saw on TV about cellular memory. Apparently people who have had heart and lung transplants have experienced memories and tastes of the person they have had the transplant from and caused speculation about inherited memory and the mind not being limited to the brain.


Cellular memory and cellular repatterning, is gaining a greater understanding and acceptance as more documented research begins to show that in every cell of our body there are memories, muscle memories are included in this. There is a group of practitioners who teach cellular memory and there is a site, www.cmrsessions.org, and it is headed by a man named Luis, but i forget his last name.  Anyway this site explains this concept very well.

edited because i had the site wrong. *smile




jesskitty -> RE: past lives (9/19/2006 1:58:33 PM)

hum, weirdly enough i cannot edit my response. here is some info on past live meditation for anyone that is interested:
Past Lives Meditation 1
This should be done with a partner, in case you get into such a deep trance, or you get upset and you need someone to help pull you out.
First off you must perform a cleansing and grounding and opening of chakras.
Lay down
Make sure you either tape your experience and/or have your partner write down what you say. (This can be said out loud by your partner or you can do this internally; But, if your partner is saying it out loud, you must visualise this scenario.
Picture a huge beautifully architecture library. (let your imagination run wild)
In front there are 10 giant steps leading up to the front door.

Very slowly climb up the stairs counting each one. (your partner may want to count you through this) This is the meditative steps to put you into the mental state to accept the information.
When you get to the top of the stairs, Imagine a huge door, with a giant knocker.
Knock on the door.
Someone will answer the door, - this is your spirit guide.
Tell him/her what it is you would like to see (as in a certain past life, or something in general)
At this point you may or may not have a lengthy conversation with your guide, s/he might be concerned with how you are going to handle this information etc.
Next, Ask your guide to lead you to where you can get this information.
Picture another door behind the guide, and have the guide walk you through here.
S/he will lead you into another room, and sit you down.
At this point - whether you are audio, visual, or written comes into play (or any combination)
You might take down a book, and start to read the story of a past life - Look at pictures like a photo album - Watch a movie - listen to someone narrate the story - or like I said, any combination.
When you are done, thank your guide very much.
Open the main door to go back down the stairs, and count your way back down. - this will lead you back out of the trance.
Play back the tape, or read what your partner has written - you may or may not remember what it is you have just experienced and/or said out loud

here's another version:
The Meditation
Sit or lie down comfortably. Just focus upon your breathing to relax.
Focus your attention upon the Creator, the highest point of good in the universe, the Creator of all that there is. Feel the unconditional love of the Creator as you focus your attention. Allow that unconditional love to surround you. Call it to you as the brilliant white light, the pure unconditional love, filling your aura at every level of your being.

Expanding your aura, until you are enclosed within the beautiful, protective, pure, unconditional loving, white light of the Creator. The presence of the Creator is with you, around you, within you, and all of your teachers are drawn towards you, by the pull of the white light of the Creator that is now with you and you are now a part of a group gathered within the white light of the Creator.

Focus upon your breathing. You are breathing in the white light of the Creator, and with every breath you become lighter, purer, more in touch with your Higher Self and your God Self.

Focus your attention upon your heart centre and feel it fill with the love of the Creator. Add your love to that of the Creator. Let it blend and mingle with the love in your heart centre and it will start to overflow and radiate out from you.

Look deeply into your heart centre, and you will see a crystal, a most beautiful crystal, and as you look at it, it is as if it becomes larger and larger and larger, until you find yourself merging in to it. Not becoming one with the crystal, but entering into it.

As you enter in to it you notice a little red dot, right in the very centre, which is getting bigger and bigger as you come close to it. You realize that it is not a red dot at all, but a red covered book, with gold embossing on the cover, gold around the edge of the pages.

Approach your red book, and as you approach ask that it open at the specific part in the specific past life that is appropriate for you to be investigating at this time. When it opens, look therein.
Take what is given to you from the book and let it flow and let it grow. Reap from it what you sowed in that life.
Take as much time as you need.

To Conclude
When you realize that that is it, withdraw from the crystal, feel the love in your heart and then bring yourself back to the consciousness of the room, giving thanks to the Creator for what you have been given.
there is another one but it seems more complex.





LadyEllen -> RE: past lives (9/20/2006 4:04:03 AM)

Thanks to everyone who contributed - especially LA for her list of past threads on the same topic, and to those who identified what it was I know from some beach some time, somewhere!

As some will know from other posts I've made, my own experience suggests to me that time itself is an illusion and as a result of that, everything that is, exists in the same moment, but this is something we do not experience because we see ourselves as separate from everything that is. The same experience suggests to me that rebirth is real, and that rebirth into any time and place is possible, but that the people we are now are unique combinations of elemental "soul" aspects that have come from and will go to different combinations when we die. This leads to the strange situation that we might recall memories from past lives that have not yet happened in our timeline, where we are now.

I wonder if anyone has "future memories" like that? Deja vu would not count for this, in the sense that we experience these instance in this life, though they might point to the idea that everything is in the same moment in reality.
E







seeksfemslave -> RE: past lives (9/20/2006 4:13:59 AM)

I dont understand why people believe what goes on inside their head  necessarily accurately maps to what has occured outside.

Lady E: if time is an illusion how can there be a future ? Only arskin'




LadyEllen -> RE: past lives (9/20/2006 4:19:56 AM)

seeks - dont try to be clever! With that woolly hat on, the heat cant escape.........

Of course it makes no sense to speak of past and future when I know time doesnt really exist, but for the purposes of this particular illusory existence, they are necessary. OK?
E




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