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RE: Slave post - 9/21/2006 1:46:08 PM   
thetammyjo


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ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

Usually I post just to get peoples reactions to a question. This time Im looking for an opnion. In a recent post I had a owned slave reply to a question. He was all bent out of shape by the question and went on a rant. I welcome others opinions but this was taken a little to far. I don't know if he asked his Mistress before he did it or is it allowed for a slave to do something like this on their own? I would like a slave owners opinion on this.


Why wouldn't Fox be allowed his own opinions? That's part of why he has value to me -- his opinions.

Furthermore, he is my slave, not anyone else's slave. He submits and serves no one but me. To treat others as though he were the slave to the world, in my opinion, would belittle his choice of me for his service and devotation.

Frankly, I'm a little offended by the idea that when one becomes a slave to someone that means that person gives up their human rights to have opinions and express them. If you wish to have that rule between you and a person you own, great, negotiate that and make it clear, otherwise expect them to be the person you were attracted enough to create a Ms relationship with in the first place.

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RE: Slave post - 9/21/2006 1:49:49 PM   
mstrjx


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ORIGINAL: justheather


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ORIGINAL: mstrjx
You're right, and it's probably a little unfair, at least to the person who is being 'shat' on by me and every other responder. 


This is a little harsh, don't you think?
From where I stand, nobody came onboard sh*tting on people, they offered their time and experience and then were told it wasn't welcome.


We're generally not talking about the types of threads where a broad, even-handed viewpoint was really requested.  If a thread is serious, it gets an appropriate response.  You know those when you see them.

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RE: Slave post - 9/21/2006 1:54:01 PM   
raiken


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ORIGINAL: justheather


quote:

ORIGINAL: mstrjx
You're right, and it's probably a little unfair, at least to the person who is being 'shat' on by me and every other responder. 


This is a little harsh, don't you think?
From where I stand, nobody came onboard sh*tting on people, they offered their time and experience and then were told it wasn't welcome.


This thought was just a part of an exchange on using a certain type of presentation for thought and content. It is not necessarily geared solely about what occured on this thread alone. Hope this makes it more clear.

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RE: Slave post - 9/21/2006 1:55:54 PM   
OriginalStuff


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Status: offline 		Wondering what all the fuss is about.  Guess until a "slave owner" steps up to the plate (not that Others haven't already) the OP isn't going to be fully satisfied.  So OP.. please DO read this reply. 
 
 I do in fact currently own a slave (pj who posted here as well) so I guess by the OP "requirements" makes me qualified to answer his question. 
 
To address the original question/ sought opinion first. 
 
My girl is permitted to answer/start any post/thread/chat room conversation without asking My permission first.  I do not review/edit any of her posts/comments/conversations prior to her making them.  I do ask that she remain respectful and honest in her responses.  I do (on occasion) read her posts and we discuss them in person.  If I were to find a post questionable I would sit with her and discuss it.  I would NOT question her by responding to a post, so if that is what you were looking for with your original post and the slaves response I applaud the Owner for taking the matter private.  Who know, maybe ....just maybe the Owner agreed with Their slave?  Hmm.  Now there's a thought. 
 
Now I would ask the OP....who are you to ignore/discredit/ or otherwise dismiss the OPINIONS of others regardless of their "title".  You stated you are not a "slave owner" yourself.  Does that make Me better the you?  Does it make My opinion more valid then yours?  Then Mstrjx who HAS owned a slave but currently does not?  If something happened to My slave tonight would my opinion be less valid then it is today?  I strongly suggest you rethink dismissing the very valuable opinions/advise/comments posted on this board strictly because of the TITLE one uses to identify their beliefs/practices.  To believe that a comment posted by a sub/slave is less valid or meaninful then one posted by their Owner is absoultely outrageous.  If I were sitting in a room with My girl beside me and a question was asked that she offered an answer to and anyone dared to dismiss her answer because they felt only a Dominant was qualified or respected enough to answer... I'd take her by the hand and walk out the door............
 
OS owner of pj
 
 
 
 

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RE: Slave post - 9/21/2006 1:56:28 PM   
justheather


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Status: offline 		Thank you both for clarifying. I understand the context now. :-)

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RE: Slave post - 9/21/2006 1:57:18 PM   
raiken


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ORIGINAL: mstrjx

And yes, I troll the Servants room and hopefully say some relevant things there as well.  And the Dommes' room.  Nobody has asked me to leave yet.

Jeff


LOL the only room i was blatantly disrespected and told to "go away" in was the Gorean forum, so i did! LOL! 

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RE: Slave post - 9/21/2006 2:02:46 PM   
ownedgirlie


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Status: offline 		I am an owned slave.  You may or may not be interested in my reply, but I can speak for my Master on this one, as he does not post to message boards; it is just not something that he finds satisfying for himself.

He knows I post here.  He trusts me enough to not monitor my postings, although periodically he does a quick perusal.  His words to me were, "You know what I expect of you." and that is to stand up for and protect his property whenever necessary, and to hold my own at all times.  It is his feet I grovel to.  His quote:  "I don't care if you ride rough shod with all others; I am who you fall to the floor before."  Further, he has taught me to submit to him and only him.  "Just because he has a penis, does not make him a dominant, nor do I want you submitting to anybody other than me."

It is my own personal choice to do my best to be polite. He has seen scripts of conversations when I was not so polite to those who were rude to me.  He was pleased to see me fighting for what is his, although now he is just as pleased that the rudeness of others does not penetrate me.

Finally, if you have questions solely for slave owners, the "Ask a Master" forum might be better suited for them.

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RE: Slave post - 9/21/2006 2:06:54 PM   
raiken


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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

I am an owned slave.  You may or may not be interested in my reply, but I can speak for my Master on this one, as he does not post to message boards; it is just not something that he finds satisfying for himself.

He knows I post here.  He trusts me enough to not monitor my postings, although periodically he does a quick perusal.  His words to me were, "You know what I expect of you." and that is to stand up for and protect his property whenever necessary, and to hold my own at all times.  It is his feet I grovel to.  His quote:  "I don't care if you ride rough shod with all others; I am who you fall to the floor before."  Further, he has taught me to submit to him and only him.  "Just because he has a penis, does not make him a dominant, nor do I want you submitting to anybody other than me."

It is my own personal choice to do my best to be polite. He has seen scripts of conversations when I was not so polite to those who were rude to me.  He was pleased to see me fighting for what is his, although now he is just as pleased that the rudeness of others does not penetrate me.

Finally, if you have questions solely for slave owners, the "Ask a Master" forum might be better suited for them.


You and your Master are of exactly the same mindset as i have always lived and believed as well as those i serve.  Thank you for sharing this.

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RE: Slave post - 9/21/2006 2:10:33 PM   
ownedgirlie


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Status: offline 		You are welcome, raiken, and thank you for your comment.  I did not always conduct myself as such.  Prior training had me behaving submissively to anyone calling themselves a dominant.  It proved to be quite unhealthy for me. 

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RE: Slave post - 9/21/2006 2:17:19 PM   
Missokyst


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Status: offline 		Perhaps not everything.  But certainly more than you think.
That said I have owned a slave back in the days when I was exploring.  And if my slave had an opinion he darned well better be vocal about it.  Just because he was a slave didn't mean he lost all rights of speech. 
it was "MY" job to quiet him down with a glance if "I" chose to do so.  Not some random bozo who thought that because he was a slave meant he was beneath the right to say his piece.

Looks from the postings thus far, many others believe as I did.  So, I guess we might know a bit more than what the fantasy implies.
Kyst
quote:

ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

So what is being said is that you dont care who the post are being directed to. You dont have the experience to answer the question but your going to mouth off about it anyway. I would think that post are to gather knowlege from. I didnt know so many people knew everything.

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RE: Slave post - 9/21/2006 2:21:24 PM   
Avrilkiller


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Status: offline 		Hey....
Here's a subby with a nasty tongue, going to try and restrain it and just answer.
There are hundreds of angles of experiences one can learn from. i don't ever have to have owned a slave to have a consensus from others on common techniques.
i have experiences from subbing myself. Master does not bar me from the internet, in fact, i introduced Him to collarme. I do have several slave friends, none of them are disallowed on the web, thats how i talk to them most of the time (seeing as they're so busy ~.^).
i also have many Dom friends, none of whom have a problem with the internet.
And of course, i have knowledge gleaned from lurking right here on collarme, learning from Dom and slaves and everyone else.
On the internet.
Like a baaaaaaad doggy.

So shut it.

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RE: Slave post - 9/21/2006 2:33:29 PM   
raiken


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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

You are welcome, raiken, and thank you for your comment.  I did not always conduct myself as such.  Prior training had me behaving submissively to anyone calling themselves a dominant.  It proved to be quite unhealthy for me. 


It would definitely be unhealthy for someone like me.  Those whom i serve and have served have often told me that i need to be careful to choose a strong Master who does not become easily intimidated by a woman who speaks her thoughts and is not fearful of doing so.  i respect people as people first, for each "person" has something to offer, regardless of personal relationship preferences, and fantasies.  This thread is prime example of how others reading would do well to learn from the attitudes out there and choose wisely. Just my advice of course. *smile

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RE: Slave post - 9/21/2006 2:43:52 PM   
twicehappy


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ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

Awwww... widdwe dommy has a boo boo?

Come here! I'll kiss it better!


The mangy pup doth lie to get you in leg lifting range......

I have to reflect pretty much what everybody else has said Dnomyar, this is an open forum so you will get answers from all who care to post. Snapping at folks for doing so is opening a whole other can of worms.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

In a recent post I had a owned slave reply to a question. He was all bent out of shape by the question and went on a rant. I welcome others opinions but this was taken a little to far. I don't know if he asked his Mistress before he did it or is it allowed for a slave to do something like this on their own?


You may not want my opinion as a slave(24/7 live in) but here it is anyway.

Whether or not a slave is allowed to post freely is between the slave and their owner but you will find that many are, i am. You are of course free to email the owner and ask to discuss it but it is up to the owner how they handle it.

I try to keep in mind that what i do does reflect on my owners but i also feel free to post my opinions as they stand, Scooter and Jewel know i have a brain, my own opinions and experience, they value this and they trust me.

I submit to them only, not to the rest of the world irregardless of what title the others may bear.


< Message edited by twicehappy -- 9/21/2006 2:47:54 PM >

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RE: Slave post - 9/21/2006 2:55:54 PM   
angelina1


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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

I am an owned slave.  You may or may not be interested in my reply, but I can speak for my Master on this one, as he does not post to message boards; it is just not something that he finds satisfying for himself.

He knows I post here.  He trusts me enough to not monitor my postings, although periodically he does a quick perusal.  His words to me were, "You know what I expect of you." and that is to stand up for and protect his property whenever necessary, and to hold my own at all times.  It is his feet I grovel to.  His quote:  "I don't care if you ride rough shod with all others; I am who you fall to the floor before."  Further, he has taught me to submit to him and only him.  "Just because he has a penis, does not make him a dominant, nor do I want you submitting to anybody other than me."

It is my own personal choice to do my best to be polite. He has seen scripts of conversations when I was not so polite to those who were rude to me.  He was pleased to see me fighting for what is his, although now he is just as pleased that the rudeness of others does not penetrate me.

Finally, if you have questions solely for slave owners, the "Ask a Master" forum might be better suited for them.


Nicely put. This is exactly what I was trying to say but put over much better than I could.

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RE: Slave post - 9/21/2006 5:25:26 PM   
CreativeDominant


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ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

CreativeDominant. The question was about slaves not submissives.  Do you think that they are one and the same? I think that there is a big difference. My argument if it is being taken as such is that I posted this as a question directed to Slave Owners . If I wanted a submissives opinion I would have asked for it. I dont see any submissives in here who own slaves. Cannot a question be asked and answered  without any BS. To many people in here get combative. It is just a forum. Why flame people for asking questions? If you dont get specific in your questions you get torn apart if you do get specific it happens anyway.


Interesting how you sidestepped my question to you about your response to mstrjx.

In response to your post here, let me state this.  I know that there is a difference between submissives and slaves.  Unlike you though, I have no set standard as to what constitutes a slave as I have seen differing varieties of those also.  Some who cannot and will not make a move without their Master/Mistress's say-so and those who can and do because they know the rules they live under and they follow them.  In some M/s relationships, the Master or Mistress allows the slave to speak their mind...to whatever extent they feel like.  In others, the slave may speak their mind but only courteously and only up to a certain point.  Surely you are not saying that there is only one type of slave?

As for your statement that "if you wanted a submissive's opinion, you would've asked for it", I think I'll just let the submissives handle that comment.

As for your question as to whether or not a question can be asked in here without any B.S., again let me state that mstrjx answered your question as "a past and future slave owner".
I believe it was in your very next post that you flamed him. 

There now, we have come full circle to the question of my original post:  how on God's green earth did you come to the conclusion that mstrjx does not have the experience to answer the question?  Or is it the fact that his stance disagrees with yours...as does mine...as does other dominants/Masters/Mistresses...submissives...that correlates into us not having "enough experience"?

< Message edited by CreativeDominant -- 9/21/2006 5:34:10 PM >

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RE: Slave post - 9/21/2006 5:39:11 PM   
Frank01


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They did whatever I let them do.

Including piss off people I didn't care for.

It amused me.

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RE: Slave post - 9/21/2006 6:12:53 PM   
MagiksSlave


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Status: offline 		Usualy if a sub is aloud to post here they may post what they feel just like any other it is up to their owner to deside if they have gone to far. As for this slave master allows me to post as I feel if i feel i have over steped in some way with my post i will still post it if I feel the need but I will bring my Masters attention to my post so he can deside if it was something I went to far on and should be delt with. However there have been a few times i wasnt sure and on all of them Master has told me I was right in how I posted and that even if I wasnt nice and submissive to that person if they were beeing an idiot they hadnt erned my respect anyway and that I am free to have my opinion if the person was acting badly. I am his slave and only owe my submition to him. If I dont like what someone has said i will tell them I am always as respectfull as posable because i feel all people deserve respect ( to a pont that is) but ultametly unless I have said something to a person Master has felt has erned my respect he has no problem with me posting as I feel I need to.

Magik's slave

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RE: Slave post - 9/21/2006 6:51:21 PM   
KnightofMists


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

C'mon Heather, it's Homestead, right?


Nope ... It's Me....

..... mmmmmmm wait... that was one of my fantasies........ 


What can I say.... I think she's Hot!

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RE: Slave post - 9/21/2006 7:03:42 PM   
KnightofMists


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Status: offline 		Oh this is funny.... 

First... you said

quote:

Usually I post just to get peoples reactions to a question


and the you state

quote:

I would think that post are to gather knowlege from



I guess one could say that seeing a person's reaction would gather knowledge... however... I don't think that is what you are implying?

now I wonder...can you figure out what I am implying?

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RE: Slave post - 9/21/2006 7:46:12 PM   
sapphirepleasure


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Status: offline 		Well before I discovered (with the help of my training dom to whom I am ever and eternally grateful) my slave nature, I spent a lot of years as a pro (hypnotic) dominant, which I still do from time to time.  So I guess I'm one of those slaves who has once been an owner. 

I will also say that my training dom who owned and trained me 24/7 for three months introduced me to the forums and encouraged me to read and eventually post.  There was one time when something I posted embarrassed him by putting him (in his opinion) in a bad light and so for a while I was not allowed to post without reading my posts to him first.  Eventually he realized that I had learned my lesson and that the rule had resulted in me not posting at all so he allowed me to begin posting freely again.  Sometimes I would run things by him if I wasn't sure about something I was going to post, but from that point on he never stopped me, although I think there was a time or two that he asked me if I was sure I really wanted to 'go there'.

Now my training has ended and I am currently an unowned slave, but I continue to read voraciously and post freely.  From time to time I still do run things by him because he remains a much-admired friend and advisor to me.  He's also become quite a presence now on the boards and I follow his posts and enjoy them immensely, including and especially the ones on this thread.

So, though we've gone our separate ways as was agreed from the beginning of my training, I still try to always post in a manner that would make him and any future dominant proud.

And I can corroborate the fact that Mstrjx has owned slaves and is an excellent owner because I am proud to say that he is the one who helped me find my path, gave me an amazing start in the lifestyle and very high standards for choosing an ultimate owner.

sp

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