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release of slavery - 1/13/2005 6:28:45 PM   
match2u


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may someone would be so kind to tell me if there is the oppurtunity for the slave to get out from a M/s relationship - when things get wrong?

or is it just the choice of the Master to release in finding the slave unpleasing or not worth keeping?

i will appreciate the answer a lot.

thanks a lot

p
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RE: release of slavery - 1/13/2005 6:33:11 PM   
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Technically, you can walk out at any time. There is nothing legally holding you there. . .and if someone tells you that there is, have them try to take you to court over it. Just like in any other interpersonal relationship you enter as an adult. . .you can walk away any time it doesn't suit you. I'm sure since you identify as a "slave" you might feel that it is morally reprehensible to just leave. . .I'm sure if you ask your master to release you (and you have good reason) he will at least consider it.

If you were thinking that you were going to gather a council of dominant people to "hummana hummana" release you from your master. . .I believe that is an online convention. *OR* you and your master are part of a bigger formal organization that "requires" that as protocol.

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RE: release of slavery - 1/13/2005 7:32:44 PM   
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Submission is a choice and is what gives your Dom his/her power. Legaly you cannot be force to stay. Even by chains I can't force you to play. If you truely want out it works like any other relationship.

Jules gave you good advice and is for the most part what myself and everyone else is going to tell you. Take care and choose your Master and or Masters wisely.

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RE: release of slavery - 1/13/2005 7:49:09 PM   
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The advice given is right on target...however, just out of curiosity, I would like to know if this is an older relationship or is this a new M/s relationship....if new, would this be a great example of having a short term contract? If it's an older one, I would think communication even to the end would make all decisions.

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RE: release of slavery - 1/13/2005 8:02:22 PM   
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thanks a lot for the answers so far.

it concerns a new one and i was told that as a slave i would not have the opportunity to leave - just cause things get wrong.

p

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RE: release of slavery - 1/13/2005 8:45:11 PM   
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Hello match2u,
You control your fate, whether you give it to someone else or take it back. You gave your trust to your Master with certain expectations. When trust is broken you have to leave or fix the communication. I personally would not want a slave that didn't want to stay by my feet. If I were submissive I wouldn't stay with a Master that can't be true to his word. The ball is in your court

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RE: release of slavery - 1/14/2005 1:25:51 AM   
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p... Despite what this dom thinks anyone can leave an M/s relationship..including the one doing the enslaving. Submission is given freely...and freedom can't be taken from anyone. Don't *ever* forget when in a M/s or D/s or whatever dynamic... you are in a *relationship* and relationships *end* .

Just like a cat will find a new owner in search of a better one....too can a slave.

Don't be fooled by the romantiscism of being 'enslaved' ...

Good luck... please feel free to email Me privately if you need/want someone to talk too

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RE: release of slavery - 1/14/2005 1:47:37 AM   
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thanks a lot Jamyn

i will do that.

give you a hug ,-)) and to all the one who supporting me too

petra

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RE: release of slavery - 1/14/2005 4:41:19 AM   
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You do well...little one... Remember, you are the one that sets the boundaries, most often in negotiation with the Dominant prior to any sessions and certainly before any collaring...

The advice you receive, especially from Miss Jules is quite excellent. Unless you are masochistic in nature and demand not only extreme physical pain but the mental pain of thinking you are in an irreversible relationship...that will be this Dominant's for life or until He or She tires of you...then select your Dominant's wisely and well.

There are seven J{some say nine} levels of Dominantion just as there are of submission and if you do not find a Dominant on the same level as yourself, the relationship will surely fail. Know that one seldom if ever moves from one level to another...only progresses upware or downward along the level that is their own. One of the best ways to tell if you and He or She are on the same heartbeat is to take a test on what you will do, won't do, and would like to do. Each of you should take the test separately first then bring your answers together and sit down and go over each...

If in doing so, you find that your desires and that of the Dominant are too far apart...know that they will never get closer...and look some more.

May wisdom continue to guide you...
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RE: release of slavery - 1/14/2005 6:02:15 AM   
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Ever watch the movie, "Bruce Almighty"?

Dominants may appear to be all powerful at times, but one thing always remains constant:

You can't fuck with free will.

If it's your will to walk...walk.

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RE: release of slavery - 1/14/2005 8:03:50 AM   
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quote:

i was told that as a slave i would not have the opportunity to leave - just cause things get wrong.


I am just curious, how will He keep you from leaving? Is He implying that there would be some legal issue to keep you there without the "right" to go? Married people can leave the marriage whenever they need to do so. The employed can break contracts if they are unhappy. You can break a lease on a house or apartment. You can go whenever you want. You can ask for release and he can grant it or refuse but you can still go.

Wishes for happiness.

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RE: release of slavery - 1/14/2005 11:19:09 AM   
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thanks a lot for all your replies - indeed they are helpfull so far!

kisses and hugs to all ;-))

yes - i may should consider how he will keep me from leaving? so your reply velvetvixen is absolutly right.
i will do that.

btw OrientalMistress - its correct my profile in seeking a Dom formost - but there is always space for growing .
depends on the question based - how much i wanna give?
thats a fact based on every relation we have and the exchanging of Power is there .
am i wrong with?

petra

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RE: release of slavery - 1/14/2005 1:55:14 PM   
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This actually has to do with another of your posts, match2u, but I think it applies more to this topic. You were asking about safewords, and when to use "RED", the almighty safeword of "stop the scene I'm getting out of here"

The reason we use safewords is because we are roleplaying a fantasy. We pretend to rape, we pretend to torture. The acts are real, but only because the person being raped or tortured has agreed to let it happen. We have safewords because saying "stop" or "don't do that" or "somebody help me please" is part of the fantasy. Much of the time, a cry for help will be ignored or greeted with some taunt or another, which is why most of the people I know will beat a dominant bloody even on the suspicion that he or she ignored a safeword.

What I'm talking about is consent. You consent to be a slave. More to the point, you are pretending to be a slave. No matter how real it seems, no matter how much your dominant tries to convince you that everything that happens during your play time together is real, you are just pretending.

If the pretend ever gets to be too much, do what any six year old child will do. Pick yourself up, say that this isn't fun any more, you're not playing, and take yourself home. It's just another way to use your safeword.

Like using "RED" in a scene, you should not do this lightly. In the old days, when I was a kid and just learning about this stuff, a slave leaving their master or mistress was thought of like a divorce. In a lot of communities, the whole clique, tops and bottoms alike, might intervene to help the couple work out their differences. Nowadays, of course, it really depends on where you are and whether you are even involved in a local community.

I have heard any number of masters saying that a slave can not break off the master/slave relationship. That's really just them playing pretend. You pretend to be a slave, they pretend to be a master. If they can not make the jump back into the real world where you and they are both just people, you might want to steer clear of them. Some folks just aren't stable.

A lot of people talk about "SSC", which stands for Safe, Sane, and Consensual. Most people understand Safe. These are risky games, and you should know what you're doing before diving into the deep end of the pool. A lot of people understand Consensual. They get the idea of safewords, even if they don't use them themselves. I find that a lot of people forget about the Sane part. This is what I'm talking about, sanity. If you forget that it's all just pretend, you start to lose your grip on sanity, and when that happens it is easy to forget about the safe and consensual parts, too.

There's a fine line between the games we play and actual abuse. A lot of us like to get as close to that edge as we can before jumping off. I still have cuts in my toes from getting right up to the razor's edge. But you have to know when to pull back, you have to know when to stop. Some times, you have to know when to get out, as well. That's when you say "RED", and that's when you leave.

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RE: release of slavery - 1/14/2005 2:55:56 PM   
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If I were to hypnotize you, you would be under My control to do anything I want you to do... as long as you have some predisposition a priori. Once I give you a hypnotic suggestion that you strongly disagree with, the hypnotic trance is broken, since you would have a strong disposition against that which I just suggested.

Control, regardless of the setting it is in, is all in the mind of the person being controlled.

A contractual situation exists only when a meeting of the minds has been achieved. If there were misrepresentations or omissions prior to the contract being executed, then the contract becomes null and void, ab initio. This is not only true in legally binding contracts, but it should also be held in bdsm contracts, which, as stated here in a few posts... are not legally binding anyway.

Although patience is of great importance in courtship, especially in those of bdsm practitioners, some things change at a later date. Many times, what changes is that both parties to the relationship enter into the relationship while wearing rose-coloured glasses. As time progresses, the rose colouring begins to fade and eventually both parties begin to see each other through clear lenses rather than in the light of fantasy.

Many times, this leads to problems in the relationship, and eventually a complete demise, thereof... unless there exists much more in the relationship than scenes. Communication is an important element in any relationship, be it vanilla or Ds.

One of the three basic, but all-important questions that most judges ask in uncontested divorce proceedings is: " Is there anything that you feel could be done to reconcile this relationship (marriage)?" Perhaps, prior to a discussion regarding release, both parties should look deeply inside themselves and ask this very question... and answer it honestly.

This is not to say that there aren't situations whereby Oone pf the parties to the relationship would have to do everything s/he could possibly do to save the relationship, while the other party does nothing... it is necessary for it to be mutual and equitable.

Best Regards,

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RE: release of slavery - 1/15/2005 12:53:51 PM   
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That statement is pure bull.............

<letting out a huge breath>

Now what this girl does believe, is that once a ko'lar/collar is placed
in a M/s relationship. A slave does have the right to go to the Master
and ask for release. As a kajira/slave it is not stormi's place to remove
the ko'lar/collar placed around her neck. That ko'lar is only to be removed
and replaced by Master.

Yes, this is the way stormi lives. Example.... laying down and reading one
afternoon stormi rolled over and felt something roll....when she moved more
she realized it was the tiger's eye beads of her ko'lar, she called out for
Master and when He reached her stormi was in tears holding the beads.
It turns out, that the wiring on used for pearls that stormi's ko'lar had
be made from the jeweler is not really meant for daily wear. The fact that
stormi had worn it basically every hour for 16 months, was amazing the
jeweler stated. As it was amazing all the beads were found and that it happened
in a location where Master and stormi could have retrieved them.

The point there is that it was as though something had been ripped from
stormi when the ko'lar came off. Master placed the lock and chain ko'lar
on stormi to wear while the jeweler fixed the orginal ko'lar.

If you ask for release and the Master does not grant. Then you do have the
right to go to a Dominant/Master close to your relationship and ask for
intervention/help/support in getting your release. But make sure it's what you
want.

You are slave, you are human, you have the right to be happy as a person.
You can not and will not be a good slave for anyone if you are miserable.
Find your happiness or seek it else where.

stormi
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RE: release of slavery - 1/15/2005 2:50:29 PM   
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quote:

If you ask for release and the Master does not grant. Then you do have the
right to go to a Dominant/Master close to your relationship and ask for
intervention/help/support in getting your release. But make sure it's what you
want.


If it's not granted you also have the right to walk away on your own, as a last resort.

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RE: release of slavery - 1/17/2005 3:08:20 PM   
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For a start, if your physical or mental safety is at risk, if you are being coerced, or imprisoned against your will; all of these are deal breakers.

Whether you prefer 'Safe Sane and Consensual' as a definiton of what 'we' do, or 'Risk Aware Consensual Kink', your consent, and the ability to limit what you are doing to what you can, as an individual realistically do, are cornerstones of BDSM as it is seen by most people who practise it.

However, "i was told that as a slave i would not have the opportunity to leave - just cause things get wrong", well, think about it.

If he MEANS that he doesn't expect a single incident or failure or mistake to terminate a relationship (provided it's not a biggie covered by RACK/SSC). Maybe he doesn't want someone who will end the relationship 'cause she gets a wrap-round. Or someone terminating a reltionship as a method of avoiding issues that would eventually have to be dealt with if one was ever to progress in ones knowledge or experience of BDSM, and that these issues could be dealt with by that partner but running away is easier.

One could understand that - and in no way do I mean you are that sort of person 8-)

He may, however, have had experience of such people and be exercising caution.

If he MEANS 'once I have accepted you as My slave then you will remain My slave unless I release you', I would be inclined to tell him to blow it out his masterly ass. It requires the presuppositon that he is incapable of being wrong, which in any human being is an impossibility. Of course, if you like the style of 'once I have accepted you as My slave then you will remain My slave unless I release you', fine, as long as the small print mentions RACK.

8-)

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RE: release of slavery - 1/17/2005 5:28:26 PM   
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Hawkins and proudsub both make valid points.

stormi will say this on the matter... stormi's above post is her opinion without any
type of abuse/danger.

There was a boy who removed his collar in Dallas. There was physicall and emotional abuse, the
slave removed his collar, while at the time there were plenty who said "oh, then he
did the right thing", it has infact caused this particular boy to be banished so to speak
from the community. Why? Because he was collared in a very formal very public
ceremony. Did it matter that the alpha boy who is 55 and pretends to be 17 was a
alcoholic? Did it matter that the abuse was so severe that the beta boy moved into the
garage during the coldest months of the year, that it was where he ate, slept, lived for several
months? No it didn't. It didn't matter that he was being physically and emotionally abused.
Do you know what matter to some???? Actually the majority???? The boy broke the
protocol. The protocol that most live by here that if you remove your collar without permission,
IF you remove your collar without asking for release and that the "master" remove it, you are
the one who is wrong.

It is stormi's opinion and one that she's given great thought to concerning this subject, that
you have to do what is right for you.

IF your Master has promised you things, IF your Master is not fulfilling your
needs as HE promised. IF you are in a poly and he's lying out both sides of his mouth, IF
you feel less of a human when you are with him, IF he is being emotionally abusive.....
then walk out the door immediately. BUT remember, make sure that it is what you want.
stormi hesitates to use the term physical abuse, while she is sure that it does take place, stormi
feels the emotional damage far out weighs the physical.

stormi knows, probably better than some how much damage the emotional abuse can do.
stormi knows how hard it is to make the decision to move on. stormi knows how hard it is to
do this when the other side of the fence and the fears of being alone are so overwhelming just
at the thought of walking out. But the bottom line is, whether you do it alone or whether you do
it with support, the road ahead atleast for a while will be tough. But have every faith that you are
a survivor. stormi did all of that once, walked away from alot of financial security and over 24 yrs.
of her life, her home and more. Was it worth it? There were/are days stormi would say no, but those
days are over shadowed by the days when she spends the better part of 24 hours laughing at Master.
At being made to giggle just because He knows what to say to make her giggle.

Be strong, be confident. You are not trash, you are not dirt, you are a person who desires to be happy.
Even if your path in life leads you down the road to be a slave.


stormi
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