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Subs having subs - 9/22/2006 4:43:28 AM

illuminati1

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Ok, so here's a question. First let me explainw hy I am asking it. I am a sub,issive, yes but I do have a Domme side. I am 60$ sub and 40% Dommme, so yes, that makes me a switch for the sheer fact that I HAVE to be able to Domme over someone or as a submissive I start to act out and disobey the Dom because I have no way realease my Domme side. I'll even go so far as to try and Dominante the Dom to get that release.

What I am here to ask is the following....

As a Dom/Master would You allow Your sub to have a sub of his/her own so that he/she could have that release? So that they weren't trying to Dominate You and trying to take control over You. Your sub's sub would be more of a "toy", a "playmate" if you will someone that he/she could Dom/mme over and get that release. Would You allow them the "toy" or "playmate" to Dom/mme over or would You tell them to suffer and deal with it so to speak?

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RE: Subs having subs - 9/22/2006 4:52:05 AM

mstrjx

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I would. I don't see anything inherently wrong with that.

The thing that you mention is that you would like a submissive of your own to allow your 'stress' to have a better outlet than directed towards your Dom. That somehow you cannot channel that energy without some sort of an occasional 'backlash' at your Dom. That is a bit of an issue that your Dom should want to be able to handle independantly.

Just an opinion.

Then there is the determination whether your toy would be your Dom's to play with as well. Another issue to agree upon.

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RE: Subs having subs - 9/22/2006 5:04:15 AM

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Then there is the determination whether your toy would be your Dom's to play with as well. Another issue to agree upon.

Jeff

Just don't get into the sitution of "pimping for your Dom" It's funny how they will always allow a FEMALE sub for their sub..and not a male.. (if they are Het)

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RE: Subs having subs - 9/22/2006 6:17:17 AM

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I allow my slave to top others but for him to "own" a slave is a ridiculous concept. If he wanted to do that I would be ok with it but I hardly would call him my slave. It does not compute to me.

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RE: Subs having subs - 9/22/2006 6:33:31 AM

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ORIGINAL: illuminati1
I am 60$ sub and 40% Dommme,

Your a sixty dollar sub?

As to the question posed. Yes, I would let her have her toy but there would be rules and restrictions applied and I would be the final say on who she would have as this "toy".

< Message edited by MrDiscipline44 -- 9/22/2006 6:36:40 AM >

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RE: Subs having subs - 9/22/2006 7:10:31 AM

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*waves six dollars!*

hehe... I'm kidding. Just had to say it though...

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RE: Subs having subs - 9/22/2006 7:35:55 AM

MrDiscipline44

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Sorry, love, but the bidding starts at 60. Remember, all proceeds goto the Mr. D's charitable fund.

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RE: Subs having subs - 9/22/2006 7:41:20 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: illuminati1
As a Dom/Master would You allow Your sub to have a sub of his/her own so that he/she could have that release?

Sure, if I felt confident they could handle the relationships well.

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So that they weren't trying to Dominate You and trying to take control over You.

Not for this reason. If they couldn't submit to me wholly, I wouldn't take them under. And if they felt they needed to start acting out just because they hadn't found someone else, we'd have a serious problem.

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RE: Subs having subs - 9/22/2006 8:46:45 AM

MsKatHouston

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quote:

ORIGINAL: illuminati1

Ok, so here's a question. First let me explainw hy I am asking it. I am a sub,issive, yes but I do have a Domme side. I am 60$ sub and 40% Dommme, so yes, that makes me a switch for the sheer fact that I HAVE to be able to Domme over someone or as a submissive I start to act out and disobey the Dom because I have no way realease my Domme side. I'll even go so far as to try and Dominante the Dom to get that release.

What I am here to ask is the following....

As a Dom/Master would You allow Your sub to have a sub of his/her own so that he/she could have that release? So that they weren't trying to Dominate You and trying to take control over You. Your sub's sub would be more of a "toy", a "playmate" if you will someone that he/she could Dom/mme over and get that release. Would You allow them the "toy" or "playmate" to Dom/mme over or would You tell them to suffer and deal with it so to speak?

No, I would not allow them to own someone else. If that was a need for them, they probably would not be owned by me. I do allow someone I own to top others on occasion but any play of any type is done only with permission whether they are top or bottom to someone else. But that's just me.

I see plenty of relationships where this dynamic occurs and if it works, it works. If this is something you need and/or want it won't matter at all what everyone else does, it will matter what the person with whom you have a relationship allows. I'd b up front about this, though before getting onvolved with someone just so they do not have unrealistic expectations from you. But, if you were asking to see if it occurs and can be successful, absolutely.

I have a good friend who has this type of dynamic and it seems to work swimmingly for him.

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RE: Subs having subs - 9/22/2006 10:42:56 AM

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First of all I would have already been aware of their switch tendency prior to the relationship & all of this would have been addressed & the proper consideration as to what the best way to handle it would have been determined prior to already being involved.

If the switch was acting out in order to get their way... well again this isn't going to happen in my relationship. This is a compatibility issue because I am not accepting of this behavior.

What it all boils down to from my perspective is that if I had a switch & they demonstrated the ability of being able to handle their responsibilities to me & I felt that they were also able to handle the responsibility of their own submissive... I wouldn't have an issue with it.

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RE: Subs having subs - 9/22/2006 11:06:25 AM

MasterFireMaam

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My girl anne has three specific pieces to her personality. she is a little, a slave and a Syr. So, she is Dominant, with some people, as a Syr. It's only with specific people that she feels that energy. We actually find it a bit amusing and I sometimes threaten to have her name badge say "little slave girl Syr anne" at a conference some time.

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RE: Subs having subs - 9/22/2006 3:29:11 PM

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Nuuuu! i willl not be bid on!!!! Sorry about that it was 5am and I had gotten all of 3 hours of sleep. Ii am worth ALOT more the $60 ::hides from all the bidders::

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RE: Subs having subs - 9/22/2006 8:42:08 PM

subtill

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i'm a male - sub -dev and hetero. For me: Women are over me. and if there is a possitive storm in my heart, a Fem sub could be my Top,too . if she would be a fem-sub, she decided for herself what i am in her life,her lover or her servant or what ever she like. For me its only important that my heart is feeling for her,not if she for herself sub or a Lady.A Women will or could be always over me.
(sorry for my bad english-i am nit english or american sub)

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RE: Subs having subs - 9/23/2006 6:49:12 AM

joannie728

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Master and i have discussed this issue at length. If He were to allow me a sub, that sub would have to obey Him as well. the sub would not be mine only. and no activities would be allowed without permission from Him. the sub would answer to me, but i would not engage in anything that i would know Master would not approve of. if a sub were under consideration, but would not agree to Masters control, that would take that sub out of consideration. and yes, Master would consider both female and male in this scenario.

W/we currently have a fem switch in our family that is married. her husband does play with U/us as well, but is not considered a sub, only an extra toy. the problem with this scenario is that the toy will not subject hisself to Masters authority. i am not sure how long Master will allow this to continue, but time will tell. more discussion must take place yet.

in my humble opinion, i dont see any problems with allowing a sub to have a subtoy to play with, as long as all agree and play by established guidelines or rules. the first prerequisite MUST be respect and obedience for Master.

MKs toy

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RE: Subs having subs - 9/23/2006 7:35:09 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: illuminati1

Nuuuu! i willl not be bid on!!!! Sorry about that it was 5am and I had gotten all of 3 hours of sleep. Ii am worth ALOT more the $60 ::hides from all the bidders::

Hey, you're the one that said you were a 60$ submissive. I was going with what you posted. But I am trying to get more then 60$ for, rest asured.

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RE: Subs having subs - 9/23/2006 8:40:10 PM

illuminati1

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>.> I think for now on I'm going to read, re-read, adn then re-read some more before I hit the post button. You have NO clue how bad I'm blushing tread your comments MrD. ::is like.. DARK red::

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