MasterKalif
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Reading my post 21 it seems very callous in a way that I didn't intend, but surely its a fair point to make that if you allow large numbers of people to arm themselves it doesn't take many nutcases or just downright wicked people to do a lot of harm.
Seeksfemmeslave:
If everyone has a gun then everyone is polite.
thompson
Examples of polite societies that have guns include...
The American West
Iraq
Iran
Sri Lanka
Indonesia
India
Pakistan
Afghanistan
Colombia
Nicaragua
And the list goes on.
While I have heard many people espouse the need for guns by indicating that guns make people polite, History teaches that armed societies generally are not as polite as they are made out to be by the True Believers In Gun Ownership.
The main exception, I suppose, would be feudal Japan. Although they used swords to kill each other, and as long as everybody lived in their own little caste bubble, everything was hunky dory.
Which is not to say that I am anti-gun or anti-politeness, I am simply stating that the number of examples of impolite armed societies far outnumber the number of polite armed societies.
Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.
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Sinergy:
Would you care to give us the gun death rates for the countries that you listed exclusive of revolutionary activity...you know the numbers for normal life like people sticking up liquor stores and robbing you on the street.
As for the american west lets not confuse tv with reality.
Feudal Japan only allowed the Samuri to carry weapons it was a death penality for the rest of society to be armed.
I notice you did not list Israel, Switzerland or Cuba all three of which have lots of guns and low crime rates.
thompson
Thompsonx, Israel and Cuba are horrible examples...Israel is a defacto militarized society based on a perception of fear of invasion...which is ever more real and present after the Israeli fiasco in Lebanon...
Cuba is an oppressive communist society where anyone against the government is labelled as a "terrorist" and therefore the guns are used exclusively by the government as a measure of complete control....
Switzerland as far as I am concerned, doesn't have nearly as much guns as the USA.
MasterKalif:
Your correct when you say that Israel is a defacto militarized state based on the fear of invasion...so is Cuba.
When you state that Cuba is an oppressive communist society where anyone who opposes the government is labeled a terrorist... Isn't that what king george has done here?...clearly you have never been to Cuba ...the entire nation of Cuba is the militia and they are all armed because they fear another invasion by the U.S. With the general population in possession of so many firearms one would think that if they hated Castro so much then he would be dead. Contrary to U.S. propaganda the people in Cuba love Castro. The Cubans in the U.S. are the ones who hate him.
In terms of total number of guns, of course Switzerland has fewer....but again we were discussing crime rates. The fact remains that thugs are basically cowards who prey on the weak. If one has the means of protecting oneself then thugs seek easier targets.
thompson
fair enough, but I don't buy that evryone in Cuba loves the guy...I think when you visited there you fell for the local communist propaganda with images of crowds hailing castro before his 10 hr. long boring speeches. Also I see now more clearly than before, the threat of invasion or other local threat is enough to gain support of a dictatorship by people....I should know, I grew up in Chile where the dictatorship was constantly preying on people's fear of communism and the chaos of the Allende years, which no one really wanted to return to...however, luckily democracy showed that the dictator was wrong on that account.
I also think people in Cuba are supportive because they don't know any better, he has been in power since 1959, which means generations have grown up seeing him in power.
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