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Samizdat -> 911: the Road to Tyranny (1/15/2005 10:00:56 PM)
I am a 9/11 activist/researcher, one of whose main weapons is Alex Jones' excellent film "911: the Road to Tyranny" archived at http://www.archive.org/movies/details-db.php?id=6061 . View and discuss. Fallen Firefighter of the Day, FF. Thomas Butler, Squad 1, FDNY, made the Supreme Sacrifice on 9/11/01. Memorial Service was held on August 17, 2002 [Mod Note: image removed]

august953 -> RE: 911: the Road to Tyranny (1/19/2005 10:20:00 AM)
Hi to you Samizdat, & may I begin with condolence & offer a thought that may be of little comfort to you, that your loss is everyone's loss. There are no statues nor enough parks to put them in, to celebrate the lives of the ordinary people, just getting on with their lives. Atrocities often take more than a generation to settle, but tyranny's perennial goof is forgetting the ordinary people, be it the firefighter or the guy selling papers, the park keeper, the woman walking the dog, all brutalised, yet all united in the face of such horror. Above all this is a shadow, the shadow that this will happen again... "That evil may prosper, it is necessary only that good men do nothing" -Edmund Burke his statue stands outside Trinity College Dublin, alongside Goldsmith..... strange bedfellows indeed.... but though Ireland is a good microcosm of adversity, there is a bigger picture. The twist is that the bigger picture is about pictures great & small, & what John Berger called 'Ways Of Seeing'..... Rewind the tape back to childhood & schooldays. Remember the playground bully? Remember how that persona defined reality? Recall the terror? 9/11 came from that. Transferred to my own backyard version of history, there are still many Irish who think the world should run on potatoes. I don't use this analogy lightly; that I'm alive now is as much luck as judgement. Some ate & lived; others did not fare so fortunately. That was a matter of chance, chance & nothing else. There are no heroes greater than need. My Jewish friends tell me how respected elders in Warsaw used their position to abuse schoolgirls, although irony of ironies, the same abusers met the same fate as those whose misfortune they sought to benefit from. The Irish equivalent is Fr. Reilly who grabbed your ass; again it was just chance that I was born tall enough to put Fr. Reilly thru the window. But this is all the playground bully business, all of it. The collapse of the Ottoman Empire goes back a ways, though not far enough. There will still & always be some clever dick sitting in a cave somewhere, ready & willing to receive 'instructions from god' as to the next Big Excuse. The only thing that stops me from declaring myself the next prophet, or even allah himself/itself is that the entrenched interests have more guns than I have, & seeing as I have none, I better shut up. But I will speak truth to tyranny.... "That evil may prosper, it is necessary only that good men do nothing".... Islam is like any other religion; a pile of crap. The prophet did nothing for the drowned in Indonesia. Never mind the koran; they'd have done better to read The 3 Little Pigs i.e. how to build a house. Meanwhile we are all expected to dish up vast loads of loot to pack the Swiss bank accounts of the local corrupt officials. Really? What did floods do before t.v.? You might well ask.... So why is the United States the perceived enemy? In the recent sense it goes no further than perceived interests. The overthrow of Mossadeq in 1953, which installed the Shah, which lead to Ayatollah Cockamamie, & so on..... Similar to the Red Army supressing the Berlin uprising that same year, the very day I was born as happens, which lead to Ulbricht & so on.... then along comes The Beatles...... Eisenhower warned of the military-industrial complex. Gorbachev sought to disengage it. Robert Kennedy intended to end the Cold War. 2 out of 3 ain't bad...... The playground bully is the historical persona all must beware of, for that is psychopathy personified. Islam is the most horribly perfected version thus far. If the leaders are seen to be un-Islamic, they are no longer Islamic & so are legitimate targets. If the people are seen to be un-Islamic, then they too are legitimate targets. Islam is a kind of pre-historic Maoism; it's ultimate quest is to render itself surplus to requirement..... after all; if everyone's dead, who needs to shoot anyone. It is subjective logic taken to the most ludicrous extremes. Madness. Psychosis. But this does'nt answer the question: why is the U.S. the perceived enemy? It's the innocence. The whole culture of the United States sails on the notion "well it sounds impossible, but what the heck; lets give it a try" that is what the fundies despise; innocence.... the 'why not?' soul this is anathema to all Islam is about, the very concept of choice. Yet America too must beware..... fundies in the works.... bad gig.....v. bad gig! Take a look at 'The Manufacture Of Consent' by Noam Chomsky read anything by Kurt Vonnegut & John Steinbeck both demonised by the christian right & be under no illusions; they are as bad as any variety of Islam. See 'Brazil', a film by Terry Gilliam, an American based in England as an example of how wrong it can go...... read anything by Richard Feynman (apart from the physics, which is impossible) he came out with the best line of all, in his appendix to the Challenger Inquirey Nature Will Not Be Fooled It reads so simply yet contains so much wisdom. I'm pretty sure Tom Butler knew that though he had no thought for anything but doing good for people. It's no comfort I know, but never forget how fortunate you are to have known such a man. Aus quote: ORIGINAL: Samizdat I am a 9/11 activist/researcher, one of whose main weapons is Alex Jones' excellent film "911: the Road to Tyranny" archived at http://www.archive.org/movies/details-db.php?id=6061 . View and discuss. Fallen Firefighter of the Day, FF. Thomas Butler, Squad 1, FDNY, made the Supreme Sacrifice on 9/11/01. Memorial Service was held on August 17, 2002 [Mod Note: image removed]

Samizdat -> RE: 911: the Road to Tyranny (1/24/2005 7:15:10 PM)
Would that I had known Tom Butler, august, and each and every one of his 343 fallen brothers, including the department chaplain, Father Mychal Judge, who died because he'd removed his firefighter's helmet out of respect while praying with the wounded. Or Joseph Angelini and Joseph Angelini, Jr., whose son and brother respectively, Michael, lived because he was asked to help carry out Father Judge just moments before the North Tower fell and crushed the lobby where they'd found him by flashlight in the dust of South Tower's collapse. http://www.magicalmike.com/html/fr__mychal_judge.html http://www.legacy.com/LegacyTribute/Sept11.asp?Page=TributeStory&PersonID=128620 Joseph Angelini, Sr., pictured below, and son, Joseph Angelini, Jr. both made the Supreme Sacrifice on 9/11/01. [Mod Note: image removed]

august953 -> RE: 911: the Road to Tyranny (1/27/2005 3:46:24 AM)
In England, where I live, there is a sense of raging uselessness. The country that invented football & cricket has a hard time understanding why it plays both with such utter crappiness. Worse still, they can't even speak coherent English. The whole dribbling mess runs on a diet of soap-opera & celebs. Raging uselessness. Europe is little better. The twist here is what exactly defines Europe. Last week it was 11 countries; next week it might be 29. Snuffling patriarchs, who get presidencies as some kind of long-service medal, stand up & make noble speeches full of hype & disclaimers. In some strange way, only Germany seems to know how twisted things can get. Example: this very week in England, parliament has begun the process of limiting the size of teddybears as prizes at fairground sideshows, as they might encourage gambling. I kid you not...... Beneath all this stupidity is a lurking pernicious anti-Americanism, which makes my skin crawl. Not for the first time, Europe fiddles with grammer & hype, sure in the expectation that America will save it's worthless arse. Ingratitude is nothing new, it's one of humankinds most noticable characteristics; but the ignorance is hard to take. Between 1914 & 1918, England wiped out it's own future in a stupid war, declared & fired by vanity, perhaps nothing more than a dreadful song about "ruling the waves". Big deal. When that mess was resolved, unsuccessfully I might add, they took a break & then started all over again. Yet this week, as all the Eurogeeks make big jazz about Austwitz [forgetting how many of their forebears were complicit in it] although I can't complain about the smack dealers upstairs, as that would be discriminating against refugees from terrorism. Or tourism. The funny thing; everyone I know in every European country/state has one ambition; to get out. To escape from a beaurocracy that rivals Stalin's best; Soviet Europe. Except France, who spend most of every war running away. Don't think me some kind of secular saint. As I write this, I'm listening to Led Zeppelin & drinking a barrel of Baileys [railways; 4 day break] but I'm still thinking [although thinking is soon to be made illegal by Tonto Blah] &, more important, remembering. Something Ma told me. I was born in Northern Ireland, which was part of WW2 Ma told me about Americans who call by asking about some mythical Mr. Jones just for someone to talk to... I was no age when I heard that, but it stirred my heart to know it that people talk to know each other. With the onset of age, I value it even more. The atrocity of 9/11 [I wish people would stop calling it a 'tragedy'] reminded me the natural innocence of America [which really pisses the Eurogeeks] the memouries of decent men & women doing their duty by others this is unknown here; there'd be a line of 'commissioners' lined up for their take. This place could never handle Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young or Bruce Hornsby never mind Kurt Vonnegut. I would never be so disrectful as to suggest a re-write of the national anthem but maybe add another couple of lines to 'sea to shining sea' such as 'out there in the darkness' because that's how it is. There's no getting used to loss & it's harder when it's from such lowdown dirty business & it's got to be even more difficult to take when your supposed allies are busy kissin up to an enemy sworn to your destuction, for profit. No, not 'prophet'... my prayers are worth damn near nothing but maybe thought still has some value my thoughts are with your fallen comrades & their loved ones. No man nor woman has an easy road, cut off from their best friend too soon I'd have a job explaining to any child why Ma or Da ain't coming home again... I'll take my leave of you now it's a chilly day in England & everyone's complaining. [I dunno what they'd make of the 3' of snow in New England] if I'm ever Stateside again, maybe we'll have a pint but it'll have to be over the line in Jersey cos I can't stand the fundies who say I can't smoke in a pub. Austin Coll recommended listening; Bruce Hornsby & Jerry Garcia "Barren Ground"

Atavist -> RE: 911: the Road to Tyranny (1/27/2005 6:17:22 AM)
Austin, Can't say as I agree with everything you write but your words are illuminating and poetic. I hope you keep contributing, I enjoy'd the last post immensely.

Real0ne -> RE: 911: the Road to Tyranny (9/12/2007 10:23:45 AM)
The aftermath: I find it amazing and fortunate (for accuracy sake), that the "first hand eye witness" reports of the "wtc plane crashes" to be broadcast by the news media on that fateful day were ALL WITNESSED" by "SENIOR NEWS EXECS/EMPLOYEES" in each of the News Media sources Respectively. I am sure there is a good explanation for this and i am not sure why i did not catch this. Did any of you catch it? 911 WTC - News Media Plane Crash Videos Are FAKED Poised Experts PLANTING THE MYTHS Holland Demolitions Expert Danny Jowenko - 1,2,3 The long version: (Danny confirms the term "pull it" as he used it in context within his part of his WTC 7 explanation unsolicited in the second link) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3DRhwRN06I http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sep-HDZoEBM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boNzLZInbjU Jeff calls Danny_Jowenko to verify that he is sticking by his story of a controlled demolition (also short version of Danny's long 3 link interview above)* Jeff calls Controlled Demolitions Inc, CDI, to verify the demolition term "pull it"Audio Only (CDI Helped with WTC Cleanup) The Text: Female receptionist: Good afternoon, Loizeaux Company. Jeff: Um, sorry, do I -- is this Controlled Demolitions? CDI: Yes it is. Jeff: Ok, I was wondering if there was someone I could talk to briefly -- just ask a question I had? CDI: Well what kind of question? Jeff: Well I just wanted to know what a term meant in demolition terms. CDI: Ok, what type of term? Jeff: Well, if you were in the demolition business and you said the, the term "pull it," I was wondering what exactly that would mean? CDI: "Pull it"? Jeff: Yeah. CDI: Hmm? Hold on a minute. Jeff: Thank you. CDI: Sir? Jeff: Yes? CDI: "Pull it" is when they actually pull it down. Jeff: Oh, well thank you very much for your time. CDI: Ok. Jeff: Bye. CDI: Bye. (Remember that Controlled Demolitions, Inc was hired to help with the clean up at ground zero.)Pumpitup.com I think that there is a lot to ba sad about on this day that extends considerably beyond the obvious lost souls. Some of that video analysis is nothing short of awesome imo, Rule if you have not seen this stuff i expect you will want to take a close look. We have problems in dodge folks and like i said its only a matter of time before it all comes out. I chose this particular thread because the title is most fitting and it does not have 50 pages of ignorance to wade through. I hope everyone finds this informative.

pahunkboy -> RE: 911: the Road to Tyranny (9/12/2007 10:30:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: august953 In England, where I live, there is a sense of raging uselessness. The country that invented football & cricket has a hard time understanding why it plays both with such utter crappiness. Worse still, they can't even speak coherent English. The whole dribbling mess runs on a diet of soap-opera & celebs. Raging uselessness. Europe is little better. The twist here is what exactly defines Europe. Last week it was 11 countries; next week it might be 29. Snuffling patriarchs, who get presidencies as some kind of long-service medal, stand up & make noble speeches full of hype & disclaimers. In some strange way, only Germany seems to know how twisted things can get. Example: this very week in England, parliament has begun the process of limiting the size of teddybears as prizes at fairground sideshows, as they might encourage gambling. I kid you not...... Beneath all this stupidity is a lurking pernicious anti-Americanism, which makes my skin crawl. Not for the first time, Europe fiddles with grammer & hype, sure in the expectation that America will save it's worthless arse. Ingratitude is nothing new, it's one of humankinds most noticable characteristics; but the ignorance is hard to take. Between 1914 & 1918, England wiped out it's own future in a stupid war, declared & fired by vanity, perhaps nothing more than a dreadful song about "ruling the waves". Big deal. When that mess was resolved, unsuccessfully I might add, they took a break & then started all over again. Yet this week, as all the Eurogeeks make big jazz about Austwitz [forgetting how many of their forebears were complicit in it] although I can't complain about the smack dealers upstairs, as that would be discriminating against refugees from terrorism. Or tourism. The funny thing; everyone I know in every European country/state has one ambition; to get out. To escape from a beaurocracy that rivals Stalin's best; Soviet Europe. Except France, who spend most of every war running away. Don't think me some kind of secular saint. As I write this, I'm listening to Led Zeppelin & drinking a barrel of Baileys [railways; 4 day break] but I'm still thinking [although thinking is soon to be made illegal by Tonto Blah] &, more important, remembering. Something Ma told me. I was born in Northern Ireland, which was part of WW2 Ma told me about Americans who call by asking about some mythical Mr. Jones just for someone to talk to... I was no age when I heard that, but it stirred my heart to know it that people talk to know each other. With the onset of age, I value it even more. The atrocity of 9/11 [I wish people would stop calling it a 'tragedy'] reminded me the natural innocence of America [which really pisses the Eurogeeks] the memouries of decent men & women doing their duty by others this is unknown here; there'd be a line of 'commissioners' lined up for their take. This place could never handle Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young or Bruce Hornsby never mind Kurt Vonnegut. I would never be so disrectful as to suggest a re-write of the national anthem but maybe add another couple of lines to 'sea to shining sea' such as 'out there in the darkness' because that's how it is. There's no getting used to loss & it's harder when it's from such lowdown dirty business & it's got to be even more difficult to take when your supposed allies are busy kissin up to an enemy sworn to your destuction, for profit. No, not 'prophet'... my prayers are worth damn near nothing but maybe thought still has some value my thoughts are with your fallen comrades & their loved ones. No man nor woman has an easy road, cut off from their best friend too soon I'd have a job explaining to any child why Ma or Da ain't coming home again... I'll take my leave of you now it's a chilly day in England & everyone's complaining. [I dunno what they'd make of the 3' of snow in New England] if I'm ever Stateside again, maybe we'll have a pint but it'll have to be over the line in Jersey cos I can't stand the fundies who say I can't smoke in a pub. Austin Coll recommended listening; Bruce Hornsby & Jerry Garcia "Barren Ground" you hereby win pahunks informal post of the day award. this due to the posting style of this post. http://sorryeverybody.com

Real0ne -> RE: 911: the Road to Tyranny (9/12/2007 11:09:21 AM)
quote: you hereby win pahunks informal post of the day award. this due to the posting style of this post. PA: unfortunately most people have little or no clue of just how down in the gutter dirty politics really is and people want something to believe in and be proud of, even me. i believe the only way to have that is to get to the bottom of things and let "nothing" slip past. i find it frustrating that we get duped again and again and have to go to foreign countries to "expert testimony" because everything here is corporatized and the only concern is the dollar or political affiliation rather than the truth.

pahunkboy -> RE: 911: the Road to Tyranny (9/12/2007 11:30:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: you hereby win pahunks informal post of the day award. this due to the posting style of this post. PA: unfortunately most people have little or no clue of just how down in the gutter dirty politics really is and people want something to believe in and be proud of, even me. i believe the only way to have that is to get to the bottom of things and let "nothing" slip past. i find it frustrating that we get duped again and again and have to go to foreign countries to "expert testimony" because everything here is corporatized and the only concern is the dollar or political affiliation rather than the truth. excellent point!!

Real0ne -> RE: 911: the Road to Tyranny (9/13/2007 5:28:29 PM)
Ok here ya all go! This video was i seen one time had the vcr cocked locked and loaded and mnever seen it again until u tube! imagine that! Plane Crash Into WTC 2 Awesome footage! I believe this was an original (since i seen it like the second day) and it does compare with the footage from the video tapes above where they point out that most of the footage we have seen a zillion times on tv has been faked! FOIA anyone? So now we have footage from both sides of the building showing the same anomoly. There are like 4 things that are so seriously wrong with this i do not even have the words to describe how wrong it is. How many can you all pick out? i suck at video analysis and even i can see it!

farglebargle -> RE: 911: the Road to Tyranny (9/13/2007 6:40:16 PM)
I think the whole discussion of cover-ups works FOR the Bush administration, as it deflects discussion of the really tyrannical acts, such as depriving YOU AND I of the traditionally enjoyed Rights, such as Habeas Corpus, Due Process, Equal Protection, etc...

Real0ne -> RE: 911: the Road to Tyranny (9/18/2007 3:02:10 PM)
well not to many people realize that clinton actually gave the wealthy tax breaks like to the tune of 20+%!! Now if you want to read about a total cluster fuck check this out. remember how bin laden got clearance from the white house to fly on 9/13/01? (its not true until these wise guys are actually "caught" in a lie) This is an exerpt from the very end, it is a prime and perfect example of gov fraud. Another (criminal) boo-boo at the FAA Remember the FAA’s denial that the phantom flight ever took place? The FAA spokesman saying, "It's not in our logs. It didn't occur?" But when they checked this time, the FAA found records which showed that pilot Steele filed his flight plan at 3:30 P.M. on September 13, 2001, indicating the plane was flying from Tampa to Lexington, and then back to Tampa. A Tampa police officer and a retired FBI agent were quoted in Vanity Fair and the Tampa Tribune saying they’d flown security on the flight. So the 9/11 Commission investigators interviewed them. Strangely, neither man mentioned a "cover story" for the Prince to the 9/11 Commission researchers. They said they’d driven the three young Saudi men to the Raytheon Terminal at Tampa International Airport. Tampa Detective Mike Fendle also told Commission investigators he’d seen a plane that looked like a *“cream-colored Learjet”* on the tarmac outside the Raytheon facility. So the search had narrowed. We were looking for a cream-colored Learjet owned by Hop-A-Jet. And, guess what? They only own one. It's crème-colored. (see picture.) The 9/11 Commission Report cover story But before getting too excited about the *truthiness* of the 9/11 Report (it wasn't), we must ruefully admit that the "powers that be" somehow always manage to have the last word after all. They change the "terms of engagement" at will. When the FBI was insisting the Saudi boys in Tampa never flew to Lexington, KY, on Sept 13, the FBI documents state that if there was a phantom flight: "Such a flight would have been in violation of the FAA's flight ban." Also, that: "FAA reports that full flight restrictions were in effect on 9/13/2001." But when the 9/11 Commission Report admits the flight actually did happen, there's a catch: "The flight definitely took place, and there is nothing improper about it" because "both the national airspace and Tampa Airport were open." And: "At the time this charter flight took off, both the national airspace and Tampa Airport were open." So. There you are. *You see?* You can't win. So stop trying. Wrong is right. Up is down. War is peace. Ann Coulter is really a woman. And there's http://www.madcowprod.com/06282007a.html So there you have the US Gov and it fionest serving the "people" cough!

Guilty1974 -> RE: 911: the Road to Tyranny (9/18/2007 6:21:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: august953 The funny thing; everyone I know in every European country/state has one ambition; to get out. To escape from a beaurocracy that rivals Stalin's best; Soviet Europe. I have a feeling your group of aquaintances on the continet is a bit limited. Please, as your English (sorry, Irish, according to your latter statement), do not try to speak for Europe. quote: The atrocity of 9/11 [I wish people would stop calling it a 'tragedy'] reminded me the natural innocence of America [which really pisses the Eurogeeks] What natural innocence?

Arpig -> RE: 911: the Road to Tyranny (9/18/2007 9:12:53 PM)
OK...I viewed it and its just the same old crap RO has been spewing for some time....nothing worth discussing

Real0ne -> RE: 911: the Road to Tyranny (9/18/2007 9:15:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig OK...I viewed it and its just the same old crap RO has been spewing for some time....nothing worth discussing you viewed what? Which part is the same? You mean the Demolitions expert? I never posted that before? THe definition of pull it from a demolitions expert and that building 7 was demolished according to that same demolitions expert? you mean that same ole crap because you are mistaken this is the first time I have ever posted any of that "crap". That and being from canada I suppose you could care less about the problems we have here in the us, and maybe you are not aware but but our governmetn claims that the building was brought down by fire. you know the intense heat. So we have a demolitions expert saying definitely a imploded and the gov saying fire. Personally I feel that is something worth discussing as it shows there is a huge problem in the way we investigate when such a large descrepancy exists. So when you viewed it did you have the sound on? What exactly do you feel is crap? exactly? Precisely why is 911 not worth discussing? Do you even care? Why did you use the word spewing when I provide experts in the field and you can even call him in Holland if you like as his number is on the web site. I really do not understand why you would say such things considering how serious the loss of 3000 lives are. Why woudl you say such things? Actually glancing over my posts above there is "NOTHING" that I posted before! What are you talking about?

Termyn8or -> RE: 911: the Road to Tyranny (9/18/2007 11:01:16 PM)
AUGUST, what planet is this ? LISTEN, WE BOMB THEM, THEY DO NOT BOMB US. Get the idea ? T.

Real0ne -> RE: 911: the Road to Tyranny (9/24/2007 4:49:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or AUGUST, what planet is this ? LISTEN, WE BOMB THEM, THEY DO NOT BOMB US. Get the idea ? T. No actually we bomb ourselves! LOL Sounds anyone? Here is CNN and the video of the plane crashing into wtc2 WITH SOUND. Take note of the sound, take note of the fade away. CNN WTC 2 Plane Crashing Into Tower Ok so that is sample number 1. Here is sample number 2 compare: FA18 Stealth Bomber Missle Here is sample number 3,4,5 compare: 747 757 767 Interesting OOPS huh? :) which one sounds like the closest match and most importantly what does it NOT sound like?

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