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ShiftedJewel -> RE: The Fat Police (9/27/2006 6:59:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

Oh christ, the smokers are gonna have a field day with this.  They've warned us this was coming.



Well............ yeah. Want another prediction? After the fat police are done and all the food in the country is legislated to the consistency of applesauce we'll get to deal with the SEX police!!! But no worries... they're only personal freedoms and we can live without those, right?
 
Jewel
 
geeze.... gotta love sheeple



meatcleaver -> RE: The Fat Police (9/27/2006 7:10:42 AM)

Everyone should be stamped on the arse at birth 'LIFE KILLS!'



Chaingang -> RE: The Fat Police (9/27/2006 8:09:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: philosophy
This is not an issue about people telling us what to eat...it is an issue about knowing exactly what it is we eat. No label, no awareness means no choice.


Yeah, but it is also an issue of food that is not actually food. Just because you *CAN EAT IT* does it mean it should have government approval as a food?

This isn't about personal freedoms either.

Example: The doctor prescribes a drug, I take the drug, my condition does not improve and instead it gets worse. In fact, 2 out of 5 people that take the drug are getting worse in the exact same way I am. Moreover, it is later discovered that there were industry studies that the FDA ignored that reveal the drug was known to potentially cause this kind of harm - but money and politically corruption being what they are the drug was passed as safe for human use. Who's fault is it?

I think some of you would argue that I have a personal responsibility for taking shit I should have known would harm me. But you know, I just don't have a background in medicine - at some point you have to rely on the knowledge and goodness of others not to give you something that might harm you. No one can be an expert in all things. Modern life is so complex that eventually you will find a subject on which you have to rely on the ability of another to help you through it. That kind of social interdependence - esp. about knowledge - is a stamp of modern living.

That's exactly where we are in terms of some food products. Man-made and highly processed sugars, fats, additives, etc. abound in our foods. Are they safe? Are the necessary tests being done and respected? Is the FDA really doing its job or is it in the death-grip of huge corporate monies? Are things like modified foods too uncertain to mess with? Should terminator crops be outlawed because they are unethical and the eventual effects of their use in the wild unknown?

I try to educate myself and be informed but things are getting ridiculous - I can't know literally everything nor can anyone else!

Trans-fats should never have been on the market. Even if you want to say that we didn't know the potential harm it might cause, is there never a time when a product can fairly be removed from the market because of its potential to do harm?

And strangely enough, when such a product is removed from the marketplace for reasons of public health and safety - you want to claim as a personal freedom the right to continue using the product?

This is isn't about the government going overboard, it's about the government not doing enough in the first place.



happypervert -> RE: The Fat Police (9/27/2006 8:13:52 AM)

It's funny to me that some folks see this as Big Brother stepping into our lives, yet they apparently have no problem when Big Brother in the form of the FDA keeps rat feces, insects, and other stuff out of our food.

I'm wondering why the FDA hasn't intervened with this fat stuff already.



philosophy -> RE: The Fat Police (9/27/2006 8:26:00 AM)

"is there never a time when a product can fairly be removed from the market because of its potential to do harm?"

....historically, no...not if it also has a potential to turn a profit....or to take it off the marketplace would do a firm some degree of financial harm. This is the logical end of capitalism.....money is more important than humans.



Chaingang -> RE: The Fat Police (9/27/2006 8:44:13 AM)

Yeah, the really sad part of this whole trans-fat ban is that all that is left for use in foods is butter, lard, canola oil, peanut oil, olive oil, sesame oil, etc.

Yeah, we are in the culinary deep shit now. If I can't use trans-fat to make my frijoles then...oh wait, it's traditional to use lard...

I'm safe!

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[Edited to add the dancing PEANUT BUTTER JELLY TIME guys.]



WhipTheHip -> RE: The Fat Police (9/27/2006 9:14:14 AM)

The proposed ban on trans-fat has nothing to
do with eliminating fat from our diet or with
weight loss!!!!

There is no reason to cook with trans-fatty acids.   French fries cooked in olive oil mixed
with a little butter taste much better than those cooked in trans fat.  I won't eat french fries
or other deep fried foods from restaurants because they are so unhealthy.   I am a gourmet
chef, and cook with lots of butter and olive oil.  Transfatty acids are the most unhealthy
thing people eat aside from poison fish.   The reason restuarants use transfatty acids has
to do with cost, not taste.

I don't cook with lard for health and ethical reasons.

Even pure butter is much healthier than transfat.  No one would eat transfat if they
knew what it did to their blood vessels.



pahunkboy -> RE: The Fat Police (9/27/2006 9:39:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: WhipTheHip

The proposed ban on trans-fat has nothing to
do with eliminating fat from our diet or with
weight loss!!!!

There is no reason to cook with trans-fatty acids.   French fries cooked in olive oil mixed
with a little butter taste much better than those cooked in trans fat.  I won't eat french fries
or other deep fried foods from restaurants because they are so unhealthy.   I am a gourmet
chef, and cook with lots of butter and olive oil.  Transfatty acids are the most unhealthy
thing people eat aside from poison fish.   The reason restuarants use transfatty acids has
to do with cost, not taste.

I don't cook with lard for health and ethical reasons.

Even pure butter is much healthier than transfat.  No one would eat transfat if they
knew what it did to their blood vessels.


hey ladies- grab this one.  he can cook!!!    always a plus!!!



seeksfemslave -> RE: The Fat Police (9/27/2006 9:56:46 AM)

I've just looked in my Fridge and I have Ice Cream, Pizza and Apple Pie ALL containing Hyrdogenated Oil.

Am I doomed ?



Chaingang -> RE: The Fat Police (9/27/2006 10:21:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave
I've just looked in my Fridge and I have Ice Cream, Pizza and Apple Pie ALL containing Hyrdogenated Oil.


Short answer: Yes.

Ask yourself why the regular fatty food component had to be removed and replaced with some bullshit fake substitute. Pizza and pie crust can easily be made with butter or more normal oils, and that ice cream was made in some completely fake way if it doesn't have ordinary dairy fats. What gives with that?



Termyn8or -> RE: The Fat Police (9/27/2006 10:46:01 AM)

So the health nuts of a decade or so ago were right. Not a surprise.

Whip, I make some of the best chicken parikash in town, and there is well over a stick of butter to each chicken. It is unsalted butter but I salt it with organic unrefined sea salt. Real sour cream of course, and the pieces are fried with the skin on.

A very rich dish, but healthier than an order of mickey D's fries.

Another thing, and the people who work there don't even know it, fast food places fry their fries at a lower temperature, what browns them is the sugar water they are sprayed with.

Milk is aparently beef too, one chain with "all beef" patties uses milk and beef bullion to stretch it, but it's all beef.

TO ALL, if you are looking for the government to help you be healthy, forget it. They are all bought and paid for. Do you have any idea who the FDA is ? Take a look at the members, most of them are at their second job, and their first job is in the food or drug racket.

One of my main criteria for food is "did this exist 200 years ago ?".

My Parents told me that when margarine first came out they were prohibited from coloring it. It is a nasty light bluish color, and that is why it is almost always darker than butter. They have to overcome the hideous blue with more yellow # whatever.

And when they bleach flour, what do you think they use ? There used to be a saying, "The whiter the bread, the sooner you're dead".

Just listen to the words of Lou Reed's "Busload of Faith". You can't depend on anyone at all. Especially in their official capacity.

They care, but not about us, not at all. Columbine, caused by drugs, legal, prescribed drugs. No crack, no heroin not even pot. Mind altering anti-depressants prescribed and administered by professionals. Didn't know that ? oh dear, the free media which reports only the truth and has your best interests at heart must've forgot to mention it.

You may have noticed I don't come to off topic as much. There is no sense, everything is fucked up and there are times I just don't want to deal with it. If I prayed, I would pray for total amnesia. Forget it all.

What about all the kids they put on ritalin who only really need a smack ? What about the research they did on autistic kids about 20 years ago that proved that smacking them would get them out of their shell ? Didn't hear about that either huh ? Now what about the 2,000 times the safe level of mercury in the vaccines given to babies that has raised the autism rate to one in 150 ?

All proven facts my friends, look it up. Do not take my word for it.

T



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