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RE: Our worn out army - 9/29/2006 3:45:29 AM

LadyEllen

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

The best way to stop illegal immigration is for the west to allow development in under developed countries instead of dumping our subsidized food and products on them or exploiting them for raw materials we should allow fair and free trade. Forget giving aid, it has so many conditions attached it is pointless.

Absolutely. But its never going to happen. Its far more profitable to keep these countries poor, exploit their weakness in the world market when we do permit them to sell anything of their own, and donate aid to their corrupt governments to keep their leaders quiet and to buy more riot gear under export credit guarantee to keep their people quiet and at home for another year of subsistence farming from which the markets will make a fortune whilst their children die of starvation.

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RE: Our worn out army - 10/4/2006 7:51:10 PM

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We don't need 30,000 troops Popeye. All it would take would be: A; A Presidential finding that illegal border crossings represent a clear and present danger and B; About 100 sniper teams with Barrett light .50's. The word would spread quickly.

It isn't going to happen.

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Isnt that called murder?
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RE: Our worn out army - 10/4/2006 8:11:22 PM

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ORIGINAL: CrappyDom

Think about that for a moment: The Army's doctrine since shortly after Vietnam has been that units need to train together, and that it's not enough to take a soldier who has been through basic training, plunk him into a unit, and expect that unit to function effectively. But these guys CAN'T train together, because their equipment is in Iraq, and they really can't effectively train without equipment.

It is not just their equipment.

In a former life, I worked at the National Training Center at Fort Irwin, CA. Army units would rotate in for a 4 week training session which included 3 weeks training using a simulation that corresponded roughly to a division scale game of laser tag. A bombing run or artillery strike would turn off peoples equipment within the blast radius. It would also send a signal whether the person was dead or wounded because medivac units trained also.

The home team was the Black Horse division. They almost always won, but they knew the area and defeating incoming divisions was their job. I always felt bad for the division which came in after Black Horse lost. It was then not even a victory; it was a slaughter. All of this was done with extensive monitoring, and then the division would be briefed on their performance during the exercise. Then they would go out and do it again.

The last week was live fire against wooden pop-up targets. It was very carefully managed and as safe as possible for the division.

We hosted military trainees from many friendly countries who would come to our training center to learn how to fight as a unit.

Last year, this crack training division was deployed to Iraq. There is nobody at the NTC to take there place. Our military was the most advanced military in the world not just because the unit trained together, but because of the way the military trained. Monkeyboy has destroyed that turning our entire military training infrastructure into Iraqi occupiers.

I cross my fingers and toes hoping his successor will not have to fight an actual war with the military that the Simian In Chief leaves to him.

Just me, could be wrong, etc.

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RE: Our worn out army - 10/4/2006 9:13:37 PM

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We need about 30,000 of those Troops stationed along that Mexican border.

What we need to do is crack down *hard* on the people employing illegal immigrants. They're not going to come, at least not at the current volume, if they can't work.

That being said, we do need more protection on our borders for national security reasons. You know, potential terrorists flying into Central America where they can get in and then making their way north. That kinda thing.

To the OP, you're exactly right. Basic math. You can't decrease revenue and increase spending and expect to maintain the same standards. We are spread way to thin. Instead of concentrating our efforts on Afghanistan we got distracted with Iraq and Afghanistan is a mess now. And the whole world knows exactly how thinnly spread we are. Might as well send out an invitation: Attack now! Vulnerable!

These men and women in our military put their lives on the line everyday. They should have every right to expect equipment, training and reinforcements as needed. As I stated something similar in another post, it is our obligation to take care of them. Period.

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RE: Our worn out army - 10/4/2006 11:33:01 PM

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

does this mean we bring back the draft?

I know in the past I've said I wanted to see the draft re-instituted for the purpose of creating a rebellion from within. But what I'd like to see even more..... is a mass mutiny from the enlisted ranks. I'd love to watch the mainstream news report that WHOLE battalions have gone AWOL

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