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mistoferin -> Doughnuts and french fries may soon be illegal (9/28/2006 1:34:12 PM)

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=7on_call&id=4600069



Chaingang -> RE: Doughnuts and french fries may soon be illegal (9/28/2006 1:38:54 PM)

C'mon, Erin - you know better than what is in the misleading subject line. Do you use trans fats at home? Are they necessary? A good cook can cook without fake fats.

BTW, there has been a thread about this already:
http://www.collarchat.com/m_605003/tm.htm



SirKenin -> RE: Doughnuts and french fries may soon be illegal (9/28/2006 1:50:57 PM)

If I recall correctly, McDonalds and such up here have already eliminated trans fats, so I do not see what the big deal is.  It is entirely possible to cook without them.  McDonald's food was always gross, but it is not any more gross now than it was.  They are still serving french fries.  Tim Hortons is peddling donuts just as much now as ever.

I really do not think a trans fat ban would be that big a deal.  Not to mention it will be healthier in the long run.



Lordandmaster -> RE: Doughnuts and french fries may soon be illegal (9/28/2006 2:03:27 PM)

I agree.  Donuts and french fries aren't going to be illegal.  Needlessly unhealthy donuts and french fries are going to be illegal.

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ORIGINAL: Chaingang

C'mon, Erin - you know better than what is in the misleading subject line. Do you use trans fats at home? Are they necessary? A good cook can cook without fake fats.



popeye1250 -> RE: Doughnuts and french fries may soon be illegal (9/28/2006 2:14:47 PM)

Don't you just love those "Blue" states!
YOU don't have to worry about making decisions, The State will make them "for" you!



Lordandmaster -> RE: Doughnuts and french fries may soon be illegal (9/28/2006 2:17:43 PM)

You'd have a point if there really were a decision to be made.  But how do you find out what trans fats are in the food you eat?  They're not listed anywhere--corporations lobbied the government to PREVENT the FDA from requiring trans-fat disclosure.  You can't exactly ask the dumass behind the Dunkin Donuts counter, "Hey, excuse me, but how many grams of trans fat are in that Boston Kreme?"

If it were possible for a consumer to know where the trans fats are and avoid them, then sure, I'd agree with you.  But states have had to assume this burden because the corrupt federal government has refused to do so.  It's a new trend.  You're seeing it right now in California with greenhouse-gas emissions, and it's only going to spread.  If the federal government can't do the job it's supposed to do, someone has to step to the plate.

You're welcome.

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

YOU don't have to worry about making decisions, The State will make them "for" you!



Chaingang -> RE: Doughnuts and french fries may soon be illegal (9/28/2006 2:20:09 PM)

http://www.stellaskitchen.com/replacementsubstitutionforoil.html

I do that all the time. To me it makes a cake moister and sweeter (not necessarily a positive), but it also increases dietary fiber and any other benefit you would normally get from fruit. Because it's sweeter, I leave off the icing. The moistness comes close to giving you that trans fat gooey factor.




Archer -> RE: Doughnuts and french fries may soon be illegal (9/28/2006 2:30:01 PM)

Again I'll say , But they are not proposing a law saying "Resturants will post in their menu if a dish is prepared with Trans Fat."
A law that is reasonable and that does not remove choice from the consumer or the cook. They are proposing a law that says Thou Shalt Not Cook with Trans Fat. An over reaching that is not nessisary.

I'd support a notification in the menu law., I have trouble with an outright ban.
Oh and notifications must be of a minimal sizenone of this stuff
Big Mick*
*contains transfat



Lordandmaster -> RE: Doughnuts and french fries may soon be illegal (9/28/2006 2:32:19 PM)

I agree with that, Archer, and it's what we'd have nationally if we didn't have Washington lobbyists and corrupt politicians who eat their bread.

The only thing I'll add is that the "give the people a choice" model doesn't work for ALL substances.  Would you feel the same way if the issue were cocaine and not trans fat?  Or a known carcinogen?  Maybe the problem is that people don't realize how dangerous and unnecessary trans fats are.



shadevarr -> RE: Doughnuts and french fries may soon be illegal (9/28/2006 2:37:20 PM)

Doughnut prohibition. Hehe, kryspy creame speakeasies. Gods, this is actually amusing to me for some sick reason.



Archer -> RE: Doughnuts and french fries may soon be illegal (9/28/2006 2:39:49 PM)

Half joking but really kinda find the idea of warn them and let natural selection handle the rest, to have some merit.
Of course it has some serious drawbacks but on a surface level it works for me.

Libertarian thought only works with good information and required notification, otherwise it falls into the trap of rabid capitalism.
Similar to my SM views Informed Consent has a standard of INFORMED. LOL



juliaoceania -> RE: Doughnuts and french fries may soon be illegal (9/28/2006 2:52:49 PM)

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You can't exactly ask the dumass behind the Dunkin Donuts counter, "Hey, excuse me, but how many grams of trans fat are in that Boston Kreme?"


I attempted to ask some pimple faced teenager about the transfats in the oil at a deli I was attempting to buy fried chicken at. Her eyes glazed over, and she said "what's that?" .. at that point I was pretty sure that I should probably turn around and leave, which I did



mistoferin -> RE: Doughnuts and french fries may soon be illegal (9/28/2006 3:08:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Chaingang
C'mon, Erin - you know better than what is in the misleading subject line.


Sorry but I can't take credit for the subject line really. It was the headline I found the story under in our local paper.



missturbation -> RE: Doughnuts and french fries may soon be illegal (9/28/2006 3:28:42 PM)

They are illegal in my house anyway - my Sir has me eat healthy



Chaingang -> RE: Doughnuts and french fries may soon be illegal (9/28/2006 6:05:09 PM)

Moved to "polls and other random stupidity"!!! Ouch...



BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Doughnuts and french fries may soon be illegal (9/28/2006 6:16:11 PM)

I'll worry when they outlaw butter and strawberry shortcake. [8D]  M



MIslostsoul -> RE: Doughnuts and french fries may soon be illegal (9/29/2006 7:15:07 AM)

Sir i take it you are a Gray guy of the South.



MIslostsoul -> RE: Doughnuts and french fries may soon be illegal (9/29/2006 7:17:32 AM)

Hey Julia,

Ask for the Manager and see if they use a corn oil or a blended oil it's on the box that it comes in.

Use to work at Wal-Mart in the deli and we used Corn oil which was good and we changed it every other day.



MIslostsoul -> RE: Doughnuts and french fries may soon be illegal (9/29/2006 7:19:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig

I'll worry when they outlaw butter and strawberry shortcake. [8D]  M


Well getting ready to move to a farm anyway so i can make my own. I am a trained cook and grew up on a farm.

You will have to visit if that happens.



BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Doughnuts and french fries may soon be illegal (9/29/2006 7:34:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MIslostsoul
Well getting ready to move to a farm anyway so i can make my own. I am a trained cook and grew up on a farm.
You will have to visit if that happens.
I will accept that offer because I don't think I can live happily without butter or strawberry shortcake.   [:D]  M



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